My hero. Politician Paveena Hongsakul. Angel of the Poor

[Yinn]

Good evening everybody.

Today have thread about the beer bars in Pattaya.

 

Look like many TVF member believe is acceptable behaiviour in Thailand. And the Thai people should all think it wonderful.

 

Social welfare activist and long-serving Thai politician, Paveena Hongsakul was first elected in 1988.

The tireless “Angel of the Poor” now runs her Foundation with steadfast determination to protect and support women and children under sexual abuse, human trafficking and exploitation.

 

She is my hero.

This documentary show a little bit of her work and life. She amazing, lovely person. Brave.

 

 

Maybe some member enjoy to watch...

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/video-on-demand/maverick-politicians/paveena-hongsakul-9872894

 

 

 

 

 

[Isaanbiker]

Thanks, Yinn. A great person. 

[chickenslegs]

2 hours ago, Yinn said:

Look like many TVF member believe is acceptable behaiviour in Thailand. And the Thai people should all think it wonderful.

Paveena Hongsakul and her foundation do great works in Thailand, but I'm sure that you must be aware that the majority of sexual abuse, human trafficking and exploitation of women (Thai and foreign) in Thailand is organised by Thais.

 

 

[Pravda]

What the hell does this documentary have to do with beer bars in Pattaya? 

 

What does this have to do with sweaty fat farang and their young "girlfriends"? 

 

 

 

[Yinn]

8 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

Paveena Hongsakul and her foundation do great works in Thailand, but I'm sure that you must be aware that the majority of sexual abuse, human trafficking and exploitation of women (Thai and foreign) in Thailand is organised by Thais.

 

 

Yes

[Yinn]

8 hours ago, Pravda said:

What the hell does this documentary have to do with beer bars in Pattaya? 

 

What does this have to do with sweaty fat farang and their young "girlfriends"? 

 

 

 

Paveena help women in all Thailand. 

 

Here one story about one woman she help. A foreigner in Pattaya trafficked the 20 year old Thai woman. 

 

Google you will find more work Paveena do.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/national/30324543

 

 

[DannyCarlton]

11 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Paveena help women in all Thailand. 

 

Here one story about one woman she help. A foreigner in Pattaya trafficked the 20 year old Thai woman. 

 

Google you will find more work Paveena do.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/national/30324543

 

 

No farangs involved in this story. Trafficked by a Thai woman to an Arab country.

 

You really need to do better if you want to paint farangs as the devil. All you are doing is painting Thais as the devil.

[Antonymous]

Thank you for posting this Yinn.

 

If anyone watched this (Paveena) video (and you all should) and wasn't moved to tears, then you have a heart of stone.

Edited February 4, 2020 by Antonymous
Clarity

[Yinn]

20 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

No farangs involved in this story. Trafficked by a Thai woman to an Arab country.

 

You really need to do better if you want to paint farangs as the devil. All you are doing is painting Thais as the devil.

Oh Danny. 

You always talk about “race”. Your obsession. I not say “farang”. 

 

I not intersting about “paint farang the devil”.

 

This story about Paveena, Angel of the Poor. Not about racism. 

 

What you think about her work? Good person or not? You watch the video? Or not?

[Yinn]

15 minutes ago, Antonymous said:

Thank you for posting this Yinn.

 

If anyone watched this (Paveena) video (and you all should) and wasn't moved to tears, then you have a heart of stone.

Have lot Thai language information about Paveena. I will try to find more English for share here.

 

My dream she will be PM. But she like to always join the winner, so she have more power for her work.

Honest, brave and care so much.

[geriatrickid]

One must be careful when glorifying public figures. This was best demonstrated by the adulation given to "Mother Theresa" who in reality was not the nicest of people.

No doubt that Pavena  has done good (and I hope that she continues to do so), and her foundation is also one of the only organizations Thai women and the oppressed can turn to, but no one person is perfect and no one organization faultless. 

 

Charitable groups  characterized by integrity and  good governance ensure that their cost structures and financial statements are public and current. This is done  thorough posting their financial information at their websites. An organization which does not  have an audited  financial declaration leaves itself open to questions.

[URMySunshine]

Without great bloodshed there will be no great change in Thailand. The Thai people don't want great bloodshed so there will be no great change alas. The mob who control it have made that abundantly clear. 

[Yinn]

 

https://pavenafoundation.or.th/en/

 

Above is English link to the fFoundation.

 

Pavena Foundation for Children and Women" is a public benefit organization to assist the victims of any kinds of cruelness, including rape, harassment, assault. Also, various impositions of human trafficking both domestic and international, forced to prostitute, child beggar, forced labor, for instance. Family problem and other unjust cases.

The statistics of Pavena Foundation for Children and Women regarding the petitions since 1999 to present is more than 100,000 cases and continues increasingly. Day by day, there are approximately 30 – 50 complainers submit the petition via following ways; inform in person, Facebook, website, phone call, e-mail, call center 1134 (5 lines), and mobile phone (4 numbers).

[DannyCarlton]

6 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Oh Danny. 

You always talk about “race”. Your obsession. I not say “farang”. 

 

I not intersting about “paint farang the devil”.

 

This story about Paveena, Angel of the Poor. Not about racism. 

 

What you think about her work? Good person or not? You watch the video? Or not?

You said that the girl was trafficked by a foreigner in Pattaya. This is totally untrue. She was trafficked by a Thai woman.

 

Thai women travel around Issan recruiting girls to work in bars, making wild promises of fortunes to be made and farang husbands to be had. It's trafficking and is done exclusively by Thai women. It's the same for Thai girls who are trafficked to other countries.

 

Here is a story told by an English man who used to run a bar in Pattaya. It's the story of a young Thai girl who finds herself working as a prostitute in England. It's a long jurney but at every stage she is exclusively trafficked by Thai women. A fascinating true story but in 17 parts. If you really want to know how Thai women are trafficked, how, by whom and why, watch the video.

 

 

 

On a personal note Yinn, I was very happy when you joined this forum and expected you to give us a Thai perspective of life in Thailand. I also expected you to learn from farangs on the difficulties we have living here and coming here as tourists.

 

You have done none of this. You don't want to hear about our problems in Thailand and seem to only paint a chocolate box picture of Thailand where everything is perfect and it's people are saints. Thai rak Thai. A long way from the truth. To you, farangs are inferior beings who Thailand would be better off without. Be careful what you wish for.

[Rimmer]

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[neeray]

11 hours ago, Pravda said:

What the hell does this documentary have to do with beer bars in Pattaya? 

 

What does this have to do with sweaty fat farang and their young "girlfriends"? 

 

 

 

I believe that you will find that this is a new thread, new topic, not intended to be about sweaty fat farang and their young "girlfriends" or about beer bars in Pattaya.

[DannyCarlton]

5 minutes ago, neeray said:

I believe that you will find that this is a new thread, new topic, not intended to be about sweaty fat farang and their young "girlfriends" or about beer bars in Pattaya.

Although it was mentioned in the OP. Why I don't know. I suspect that it's part of Yinn's agenda, which is becoming clearer with every post.

 

"Good evening everybody.

Today have thread about the beer bars in Pattaya."

 

 

Edited February 4, 2020 by DannyCarlton

[geriatrickid]

1 hour ago, Yinn said:

 

https://pavenafoundation.or.th/en/

 

Above is English link to the fFoundation.

 

Pavena Foundation for Children and Women" is a public benefit organization to assist the victims of any kinds of cruelness, including rape, harassment, assault. Also, various impositions of human trafficking both domestic and international, forced to prostitute, child beggar, forced labor, for instance. Family problem and other unjust cases.

The statistics of Pavena Foundation for Children and Women regarding the petitions since 1999 to present is more than 100,000 cases and continues increasingly. Day by day, there are approximately 30 – 50 complainers submit the petition via following ways; inform in person, Facebook, website, phone call, e-mail, call center 1134 (5 lines), and mobile phone (4 numbers).

Yes, we can all see that. What I do not see are the Charity's financial statements. Please tell us where to find them.  Where is the board of directors etc?

 

Here is an example of a reputable charity;  https://www.aspca.org/about-us

It has links to its  directors,  executives, financial statements  governance etc.

 

I appreciate that things are done differently in thailand. However, some organizations at least  have an annual report and release a statement of expenses.

For example - https://pub.soidog.org/end-of-year-report-2019/

 

[Yinn]

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

Although it was mentioned in the OP. Why I don't know. I suspect that it's part of Yinn's agenda, which is becoming clearer with every post.

 

"Good evening everybody.

Today have thread about the beer bars in Pattaya."

 

 

Oh Danny. You think about racism everything. Imagine a lot.

 

THis thread “born” from #36 of that thread. The member question me, I answer about Paveena. Then think some guy not know about her work, so good to post.

 

You think thailand prostitution is a good thing. Up to you.

IMO, it is not, I think Paveena agree with me. Up to me.

 

 

[transam]

12 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Oh Danny. You think about racism everything. Imagine a lot.

 

THis thread “born” from #36 of that thread. The member question me, I answer about Paveena. Then think some guy not know about her work, so good to post.

 

You think thailand prostitution is a good thing. Up to you.

IMO, it is not, I think Paveena agree with me. Up to me.

 

 

YOUR government is quite happy with the revenue created by prostitution, prostitution has been the backbone of holiday resorts in the south for decades, I know it, you know it, and your government know it.

I suggest you join a "Thai" Thai forum to try and make a difference, if that is YOUR thing...

[Thaidream]

18 hours ago, Yinn said:

Look like many TVF member believe is acceptable behaiviour in Thailand. And the Thai people should all think it wonderful.

Khun yinn- this is a very general statement by you in which you are implying that we as foreigners are here for prostitution.

 

Nothing could be further from the truth......but first my thoughts on the Paveena Foundation.

 

I am well aware who Khun Paveena is and have known of her work from the beginning in 1988 when she used her notoriety to  establish a foundation to help women and children, especially those subject to forced prostitution and  sex trafficing.  I have followed her foundation's work for years and know of many successes.  She is a hero to many Thai and foreigners alike.

 

I can assure in 1971 when I first entered Thailand- I was  very naive and knew nothing about  prostitution or that it even existed in Thailand.  I actually came for the culture and the fact that Thailand was an exotic destination for a young guy  born in a rural city in mid America.

 

I loved the country immediately; the friendly people; the ease of living; the smells of the market and the smiles everywhere.   I knew at that time,  I would come back-marry a Thai girl and eventuallt live in Thailand forever.

 

There are so many good things about Thailand and Thai people that I have learned and I swear each day still I learn something new.

 

However, through the years-and yes- for me- it is 50 years- I have seen the good, the bad and the ugly. Do you seriously believe if I was single I would pick up a 21 year old service girl; walk hand in hand down the street and believe I had found true love?

 

The overt sex trade has developed over the decades for a variety of reasons, some being  trapped in poverty; a lack of government assistance; corruption and exploitation Of course mass tourism bringing temporary visitors with a higher wealth base has fuelled a seeming lust for 'easy' money.  Except , many have found that the money is not so easy and not much fun.  Throw in commercialism; greed; drugs and a lack of hope and you have what we see now. Whose ot blame?  You know the truth.

 

I used to think Thailand was  the true Shangrila which was the mysthical place in the World wjere everything is perfect.  Once i learned to speak Thai and understand the ins and outs of the real Thailand, I realized it was not perfect.

 

I am not going to list all the problems Thailand has; what caused them; who is really responsible and how to solve them.  Only the Thai people can  determine this.

 

While I learned that not all Thai people are perfect, you need to try and understand us also.  While some people come for the easy access to 'service girls'; many of us do not  like it or feel comfortable with what we see .

 

IMO it has nothning to do with prostitution in itself. As long as both parties agree to the relationship and do not exploit each other- it is a product of just that.  I don't like to see Thai women and farang men kissing on the street or grabbing each other in public- it's not the Thai way.  In 50 years in Thailand- I can say I have never done it.

 

However, when I walk in the mall with my 20 year old daughter who is a univeresity student- I don't want to be prejudged by others ;  If I walk down the street with my Thai spouse of 20 years- i dont want to be treated like a pariah.   I don't expect to be treated any better when visiting an establishment nor any worse than a Thai person.

 

The key is tolerance- we need to understeand each other

[DannyCarlton]

3 hours ago, Yinn said:

Oh Danny. You think about racism everything. Imagine a lot.

 

THis thread “born” from #36 of that thread. The member question me, I answer about Paveena. Then think some guy not know about her work, so good to post.

 

You think thailand prostitution is a good thing. Up to you.

IMO, it is not, I think Paveena agree with me. Up to me.

 

 

Parveena does't concern herself with women who are working in Pattaya bars. Mainly women who have been trafficked to work in establishments frequented by Thai men and trafficked by Thai women. Believe what you want about women working in bars in Pattaya, I can assure you that you know very little.

 

When have I made a racist remark? You really will stoop to anything to forward your agenda. Not nice.

[Pravda]

3 hours ago, transam said:

YOUR government is quite happy with the revenue created by prostitution, prostitution has been the backbone of holiday resorts in the south for decades, I know it, you know it, and your government know it.

I suggest you join a "Thai" Thai forum to try and make a difference, if that is YOUR thing...

 

No, I actually (she?) really doesn't know it.

 

My ex wife who was well educated and works for the biggest international company in Bangkok had no idea that Pattaya is a sex resort. Most Thais are ignorant about their own country although when you dig deeper that ignorance is actually a denial out of pure embarrassment.

[Yinn]

6 hours ago, transam said:

YOUR government is quite happy with the revenue created by prostitution, prostitution has been the backbone of holiday resorts in the south for decades, I know it, you know it, and your government know it.

I suggest you join a "Thai" Thai forum to try and make a difference, if that is YOUR thing...

Ppfffft

 

Lot of south resorts place without that. Maybe not where you go. 

 

Eg Kao Lak, Ko Phangan, Natai Beach, Trang etc etc.

Not the “backbone”.

And 

i think sex worker not pay tax. 

 

You suggest many thing thing to me already. Thankyou help me win POTY na.

 

[Yinn]

3 hours ago, Pravda said:

 

No, I actually (she?) really doesn't know it.

 

My ex wife who was well educated and works for the biggest international company in Bangkok had no idea that Pattaya is a sex resort. Most Thais are ignorant about their own country although when you dig deeper that ignorance is actually a denial out of pure embarrassment.

I knew before. But surprise so much, since read TVF show me. 

 

Nobody in Ranong really talk about Pattaya. Just see crime news report sometimes. Not important place.

[Matzzon]

44 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Not close to perfect. We need Paveena. Sure.

No we do not need Paveena. Thailand is going to survive without a dirty politician.

[Rimmer]

A post with multiple nested quotes has been removed, you have been warned time and time and time again not to do this, this time you got a suspension.

[transam]

14 hours ago, Yinn said:

Ppfffft

 

Lot of south resorts place without that. Maybe not where you go. 

 

Eg Kao Lak, Ko Phangan, Natai Beach, Trang etc etc.

Not the “backbone”.

And 

i think sex worker not pay tax. 

 

You suggest many thing thing to me already. Thankyou help me win POTY na.

 

I have asked you many times what "Ppfffft" means, I know you joined the forum to improve your English but I think you made a mistake with spelling...

 

 

As for you winning POTY.....................????????????

 

As for your comment about the sex venues in the south, you are in denial.....????

[faraday]

I do rather think that it's a question of maturity; a young person thinking 'old' people " don't know much" but they know better.

 

[Yinn]

On 2/5/2020 at 9:56 AM, faraday said:

I do rather think that it's a question of maturity; a young person thinking 'old' people " don't know much" but they know better.

 

Paveena is 70.