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3 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

If Buttigieg can make a good showing in South Carolina he has a chance. Being gay works against him in the black community and his record as Mayor in South Bend is not favorable for that demographic. 

 

I am guessing Bernie takes down New Hampshire assuming they manage to be able to count the vote. If they don't come up with the other 30% of the Iowa caucus the results are likely to be contested. If any party loves contesting election results it is the dems after all.

True.  Am fine with Bernie, Elizabeth, or even old Joe.  Just hope they pick someone like Pete for their VP 

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2 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

To say that only the wealthiest 2-3% have a good life in the USA is a grotesque misrepresentation of what the reality is. You think only billionaires have a good life here? If that were the case there would be revolts in the streets. 

 

I was referring more to those better off since Trump took office.  America has been struggling since the turn of the century in my view.  Too many cannot afford health care, higher education, have not increased their saving in the bank.  I know people working for state and local governments who have not had a raise in salary for 10 years or more.  Sure they still have a "good" life in many ways, but think there are many who would be in serious trouble if lost their jobs for a few weeks.  Remember the government shut down 2018-2019 where all the news was about how the 800,000 federal employees cant feed their families or pay their mortgages...and that only lasted 35 days

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3 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Yeah I remember hearing that people like air traffic controllers were having a hard time on their six figure salaries after a couple of weeks. Then you look at the situation. They have 3 kids, two purebred dogs, a four car garage with 4 cars financed, a motorhome for the two weeks they use it in the summer, a compliment of jet skis to go with it, attached to a 4,500 square foot McMansion on the outskirts of Arlington Virginia.

 

Yet somehow they don't have $400 in a bank account. This is not the government's failure. 

Yes, the american dream involves high credit card debt and living far beyond your means.  555

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6 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

Yes, the american dream involves high credit card debt and living far beyond your means.  555

 

The irony is the people I describe above constantly lecture people who live in a trailer, drive a used car and change their own oil, have a pretty good chunk of land paid off or likely inherited, can afford most hobbies they have and have a 4 wheeler and a few guns or whatever an alumicraft boat, a six figure job at the mine well or plant, and are getting awfully sick and tired of hearing about how terrible things are.

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29 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

Yes, the american dream involves high credit card debt and living far beyond your means.  555

With all due respect, that has nothing to do with the American dream.

 

Maybe the American marketing association's dream. But the American dream is not about becoming fat and lazy.

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With a bit of luck they might find a way to blame the Russians or Iranians or Chinese and spend the next 2-4 years investigating, of course will also include Trump in investigation to make it more genuine 😂

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3 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Incomes up. Market up. Plenty of jobs. Relative peace. Indeed, these are the issues voters vote on. I believe this is an area in which many Democrats make errors. Right, wrong or indifferent, the only people who are going to care about the Senate trial not having additional witnesses are people who were never going to vote for Trump in the first place.

 

But back to the caucus: this fiasco certainly doesn't enhance Democrats' prospects for this year's election. Showing such incompetence (at best, it's incompetence) right out the gate will have people's radar up watching for other missteps and shenanigans.

Well, certainly I got confused. I looked at a Dems backed news channel and they were saying that Bernie Sanders was not a Dem. Party first choice, then praising him as a front runner. After the 'witnesses' problem etc. at the impeachment and then this (and Brexit farce too) I have made a decision...a belated resolution if you like...this year don't even think politics. Stay with the Dark Matter and Dark Energy mysteries of the universe...they are much simpler, Ha!😀

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1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Time to revert back to paper and pencil.  No chance of electronic intrusions or any other electronic meddling or tampering.  What's so difficult about it?  Brexit votes were on paper and they had no problem counting the votes.

At last something we agree on.

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Epic snafu lol but it will get better sorry trump supporters the sky isent falling lol I don’t think Iowa needs to be first in 2024 lol

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If the Democrats choose Major Pete, it will be one more evidence, that the USA has lost their mind!

Completely!

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I am not comfortable in Iowa being a bell whether state anylonger. Corruption in the midwest seems possible after all.

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4 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

The crux of the story:

 

"The uncertainty enraged Iowa Democrats worried that it would only strengthen Trump's bid for re-election and prompted some Democratic candidates' campaigns to question whether the results would be legitimate."

 

Of course people are going to question the legitimacy of the results. The DNC robbed Bernie of the 2016 nomination. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz resigned over that fiasco. And now we have Hillary operatives introducing some app into this year's primary, starting in Iowa.

 

https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2020-02-04/clinton-campaign-vets-behind-2020-iowa-caucus-app-snafu

 

It is extremely difficult to not suspect shenanigans, given this information on Hillary operatives being involved with this process.

 

So yes, of course observant Americans are going to question the legitimacy of the Democrat primary process. And it must be noted that this entire fiasco lies 100% at the feet of the Democrat party. Putin, Trump, Russia et al have nothing to do with it. Hopefully, the DNC will at least own it.

 

EDIT: Of course, a debate on this story and issue will not be complete without competence being part of it. A party that can't even get a simple caucus done in a small state without bungling it can somehow fix America and its perceived problems? I say absolutely not.

 

No, no, no. The Democrats, and all left liberal political parties are worthy, honest, selfless servants of humanity. Their only interest is to serve and create wonderful fair communities where the state takes care of everything for you, including how to think.

 

A certain often confused and amused poster would have everyone believe that.

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