Popular Post riclag Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: Please tell me about the impartial House investigation. The cognitive dissonance on display here by the libs/Dems is simply astounding. The charges were trumped up in the first place by corrupt politicians like Schiff and Pelosi. They hate Trump, they've never tried to hide it, they've been trying to oust him since Day 1, they refuse to give him credit for anything, they've been criticizing him mercilessly for even the most mundane, silly things, they've refused to accept his as "their President" from the time he was elected, they openly call for retaliation and retributions against Trump supporters, they make endless false accusations without a stitch of evidence that would make Joe McCarthy blush, they've admitted that civility has no place with Trump or his supporters, they label him a traitor with no evidence, and the libs/Dems here pretend to ignore those facts and treat them as if they don't exist or have no bearing. The Dems have run roughshod over the House investigation, initiated the impeachment investigation without a House vote, refused to use the Judiciary Committee and instead used the Intelligence Committee because Nadler showed he was completely inept and out of his league while hosting the Mueller hearing, threw past impeachment rules out the window in order to control witness selection, prevent the President's counsel from being present, refusing the Republicans their selection of witnesses, refused to bring forth the whistle blower, refused Republicans certain questions, initially hid the testimonies of witnesses from the public and the rest of the House, Schiff presented himself as the sole arbitrator of which witness had bearing, Nadler refused the Republicans their day of calling their own witnesses per House rules. And you speak to us of justice????? Talk about cognitive dissonance. Edit: The above is only a partial list. I'm sure others could add on a whole lot more. IMOP your spot on,may I include many senate and house GOP were concerned it didn't rise to the level of impeachment it was a partisan assault on the executive branch and the constitution for future office holders and would be detrimental to the existence of the republic . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 42 minutes ago, chokrai said: Spoken like a true Leftist, wants his political enemies behind bars. get your facts straight... wasn't a rightist Trump who first started wishing his political opponents, not enemies, behind bars, wasn't he who started the lock her up.... heard somebody on one of his speeches yelling the lock him up, that sounded pretty good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tippaporn Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: Just who and which state agency are investigating Hunter. Pray please tell. The last time I heard was Trump’s personal lawyer (unofficial) went for an extensive trip cum investigation to Ukraine to dig up dirt on the Biden; came back and promised Trump that he “had more than expected”. Then nothing but silence. If you know something, please spare us the agony and tell us. Or maybe you have nothing but imagination like the imaginary coup. There you go. https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2020-02-05 CEG RHJ to Secret Service (Biden Travel).pdf More, much more, coming. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tippaporn Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 Just now, Mavideol said: get your facts straight... wasn't a rightist Trump who first started wishing his political opponents, not enemies, behind bars, wasn't he who started the lock her up.... heard somebody on one of his speeches yelling the lock him up, that sounded pretty good Hillary should be locked up. Trump was right in stating it. Destroying hard drives after being subpoenaed for them. That's just one of her criminal acts. And that one alone is enough to lock her up. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: The accusations continually made against Republican Senators for voting their conscience is equally impartial and unjustified. Again, simply throw out unfounded accusations without any supporting evidence. If they don't agree with the Dems then they're automatically accused of being traitors, not being impartial, not fulfilling their oaths of office, pandering to their base, blindly following their leader, and on and on. Truth, justice, honesty, reality? Democrats could give a sh!t about those principles. We're tired of all the Dem/lib BS and won't stand for it anymore. Y'all will find out in November. Don't cry about it when it happens, don't blame others when it happens. Just look yourselves full on in the mirror. they are so impartial that without the impeachment process starting they already found him not guilty, that's impartial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ricohoc Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, riclag said: . . . may I include many senate and house GOP were concerned it didn't rise to the level of impeachment it was a partisan assault on the executive branch and the constitution for future office holders and would be detrimental to the existence of the republic . Even Nancy said that a partisan impeachment would not rise to the level of impeachment -- until her caucus forced her to move forward or risk losing her leadership position. Democrats with poor candidates for POTUS have their backs against the wall. They're all in for GET TRUMP BECAUSE TRUMP. Democrats are trivializing impeachment with their false assaults on the POTUS just as they've done with their phony accusations of racism upon anyone who they don't like. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Just now, Tippaporn said: Hillary should be locked up. Trump was right in stating it. Destroying hard drives after being subpoenaed for them. That's just one of her criminal acts. And that one alone is enough to lock her up. Trump didn't destroy any evidence nor did he moved any potential incriminating documents, not he instructed everybody to ignore subpoenas.... nah, sorry, Trump didn't do any of that, my mistake 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tippaporn Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mavideol said: they are so impartial that without the impeachment process starting they already found him not guilty, that's impartial More cognitive dissonance. The House found Trump guilty before they began the investigation. A true investigation would be one in search of the truth. The Dems investigation was only about nailing Trump to the cross. And you talk to us about the definition of impartiality??? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ricohoc Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Mavideol said: . . . subpoenas . . . They weren't subpoenas, and therefore, not legally binding. Democrats did not begin the impeachment process properly. No full House vote. Not done in the Judiciary Committee. The so-called subpoenas were nothing more than letters requesting appearance. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Mavideol said: they are so impartial that without the impeachment process starting they already found him not guilty, that's impartial Perhaps if the radical house dems went about the impeachment inquiry in a bi partisan transparent way they would of had impartiality! The process was complete , the representatives of the peoples house , the radical dems, were significantly rejected ! Edited February 6, 2020 by riclag 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiBunny Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: The Dems investigation was only about nailing Trump to the cross. ???????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mavideol said: 5 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: 9 minutes ago, Mavideol said: get your facts straight... wasn't a rightist Trump who first started wishing his political opponents, not enemies, behind bars, wasn't he who started the lock her up.... heard somebody on one of his speeches yelling the lock him up, that sounded pretty good Hillary should be locked up. Trump was right in stating it. Destroying hard drives after being subpoenaed for them. That's just one of her criminal acts. And that one alone is enough to lock her up. Trump didn't destroy any evidence nor did he moved any potential incriminating documents, not he instructed everybody to ignore subpoenas.... nah, sorry, Trump didn't do any of that, my mistake Answer to the topic instead of taking it off topic so as not to answer. Trump said lock her up. You take exception to it. I point out just one of her crimes. You go off topic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: Answer to the topic instead of taking it off topic so as not to answer. Trump said lock her up. You take exception to it. I point out just one of her crimes. You go off topic. because I am a Trump supporter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thaidream Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, riclag said: And thats why the founders conceived that the senate should oversee the peoples house and that there should be a 2 thirds majority to make impeachment process complete and to negate a possible tyrannical bias majority assault on the office of the POTUS. There is a Supreme Court Justice to announce that he was acquitted not guilty in accordance by the laws of the constitution. Should of, could of, would of, is irrelevant Agreed. He was acquitted as I and others knew he would be. According to the Republicans in the Senate what he did was not considered by them- to be an impeachable ofense. Actually impeachment is a political event going back to the acquital of Andrew Johnson after the Civil War and to Bill Clinton. Trump admitted to what he had done. However, he claimed he was going after corruption in Ukraine. However, the only corruption just hapened to be the son of one of his opponents in the 2020 election. The law is really quite clear- if Trump really needed to out this type of corruption- he should have notified the Justice Department and an investigation started. The Preident of the US does not send his personal lawyer; withold funds that were already voted and approved by the US Congress and cavort with known felons in search of 'dirt'. He has been acquited but not vindicated. Even the most ardent Trump supporters have to know that this man has no respect for the US Constitution, the one document that protects all Americasn from tyranny. It is up to the American people in November to decide on whether the Nation will vote for the ideals that made the US a Nation where truth and justice prevails not just for those who have riches but for those who have nothing. Remember this, if you are American, your grandfathers and grandmothers (unless Native Americans) ventured from their original country to a new frontier in search of opportunity and to build a Nation. They were poor; they were dishelved and could not speak English. Some of them were people of color. My own grandparents came a century ago from Europe. poor, without much education and a note pinned on their chest indicating they could not speak English. They managed to build a pretty good life for themselves and for us. In the World of Donald Trump- his idea of building America is only for the chosen few; the wealthy . He would not allow into America those who cannot speak English- the uneducated- the downtrodden. In Donald Trump's World your relatives and mine would not be able to enter. Donald Trump has no understanding of what built Amereica. He never broke a sweat working at a job; he has never walked down the street- always riding in his own limo; he doesn't understand discrimination or racism because he practices it on a daily basis unaware of the suffering some Americans have to endure. Donald Trump has never spent a minute in uniform; having beat consription into the Vietnam War with exemptions from a doctor friend. He has no understanding of what the Vietnam Memorial stands for or the white croses - at Arlington. Does anyone really believe Donald Trump paid any attention to the words of Dr. Marting L. King or what the marches on Washington; Selma and Memphis meant or the suffering and discrimination endured by millions of black Americans. How could he- he was sued for discrimination by the State of New York. If Donald Trump and his philosophy are then what you really believe to include his bullying of the downtrodden; making fun of the disabled; indicating that people in the KKK are decent people and generally making America hated around the World you are selling your country for a few pieces of silver which are going to eventually turn to copper. I don't know who I will be voting for yet- but I do know who I won't be voting for. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said: ???????????????????? You may think it funny but it's not funny to those who will be casting their vote for Trump in 2020. Not funny in the least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tippaporn Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 15 minutes ago, Ricohoc said: Even Nancy said that a partisan impeachment would not rise to the level of impeachment -- until her caucus forced her to move forward or risk losing her leadership position. Democrats with poor candidates for POTUS have their backs against the wall. They're all in for GET TRUMP BECAUSE TRUMP. Democrats are trivializing impeachment with their false assaults on the POTUS just as they've done with their phony accusations of racism upon anyone who they don't like. The entire impeachment episode was ill conceived. It never had merit. It was nothing more than an insistence that certain facts led to a single conclusion. Never once were alternative explanations considered. Never was the truth considered. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tippaporn Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, Mavideol said: because I am a Trump supporter An unworthy and lame response which addresses nothing. If you can't argue your point then simply resort to snarky comments. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 32 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: Hillary should be locked up. Trump was right in stating it. Destroying hard drives after being subpoenaed for them. That's just one of her criminal acts. And that one alone is enough to lock her up. Then you must be annoyed at trump for lying about locking her up because he has done nothing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post riclag Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 21 minutes ago, Ricohoc said: Even Nancy said that a partisan impeachment would not rise to the level of impeachment -- until her caucus forced her to move forward or risk losing her leadership position. Democrats with poor candidates for POTUS have their backs against the wall. They're all in for GET TRUMP BECAUSE TRUMP. Democrats are trivializing impeachment with their false assaults on the POTUS just as they've done with their phony accusations of racism upon anyone who they don't like. It has been reported the left wing imop socialist like aoc and telib twisted polosi's arm so to speak and forced her to go down this path. Your spot on! She should of adhered to her original beliefs that impeachment should be bi partisan. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 28 minutes ago, Ricohoc said: They weren't subpoenas, and therefore, not legally binding. Democrats did not begin the impeachment process properly. No full House vote. Not done in the Judiciary Committee. The so-called subpoenas were nothing more than letters requesting appearance. Well i know the.constitution gives the house full ability to conduct the investigation any way it sees fit. Do you have a link to the appropriate law that overrules it? You may want to tell the whitehouse lawyers as they are currently in court saying the court has no jusisdiction to rule on congress subpoenas. At the same time trumps lawyers arguing in the senate that the congress should have gone to court about subpoenas. Lots of head spinning there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: You may think it funny but it's not funny to those who will be casting their vote for Trump in 2020. Not funny in the least. Some people who loath America as stated before in this thread below quote, are enjoying the entertainment "Can't wait - a dysfunctional USA has always been a huge source of entertainment for me" , ThaiBunny said: Edited February 6, 2020 by riclag 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, riclag said: It has been reported the left wing imop socialist like aoc and telib twisted polosi's arm so to speak and forced her to go down this path. Your spot on! She should of adhered to her original beliefs that impeachment should be bi partisan. Shes right it should be. And it should have been. But it doesnt have to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Just now, riclag said: Some people who loath America as stated before in this thread below quote, are enjoying the entertainment "Can't wait - a dysfunctional USA has always been a huge source of entertainment for me" I too enjoy the entertainment of trump. But i agree with you, its not real funny what he has done to the country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: An unworthy and lame response which addresses nothing. If you can't argue your point then simply resort to snarky comments. Well to be honest. Trump supporters on this thread certainly love alternative facts and fake news. So the response is apt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, Sujo said: Then you must be annoyed at trump for lying about locking her up because he has done nothing about it. Not annoyed. And because she hasn't been locked up yet does not lead to the conclusion that he lied about it. That's false logic. It's all about timing and circumstances. I say that for others, not you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Sujo said: Shes right it should be. And it should have been. But it doesnt have to be. Should a impeachment have a high bar ,bipartsan vote or should it be a low bar partisan vote! I'm inclined to dig into the weeds and go for the high bar for the sake of the institutions and executive constitutional right of executive privilege,that has been enjoyed by all POTUS for decades ! Edited February 6, 2020 by riclag 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sujo said: Shes right it should be. And it should have been. But it doesnt have to be. What's that old saying? Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sujo said: 24 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: An unworthy and lame response which addresses nothing. If you can't argue your point then simply resort to snarky comments. Well to be honest. Trump supporters on this thread certainly love alternative facts and fake news. So the response is apt. An unworthy and lame response which addresses nothing. If you can't argue your point then simply resort to snarky comments. My response is apt again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Tippaporn said: What's that old saying? Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should. You remember don't you, when she was asked by a reporter if she hated the POTUS ,her reply was no I don't hate anybody? She was driven by her hatred, imop 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tippaporn Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, riclag said: You remember don't you, when she was asked by a reporter if she hated the POTUS ,her reply was no I don't hate anybody? She was driven by her hatred, imop She seethes with hate. She plays politics well. The art of saying one thing when you really mean something else. Edited February 6, 2020 by Tippaporn 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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