Senate acquits Trump in historic vote as re-election battle looms

[edwinchester]

9 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

Trump's second term is going to be unbelievable. If those poor Dems thought it was bad this term, they aint seen anything yet.

Trump has united the GOP, except for Romney who will soon depart, and Trump has the highest ratings ever among Conservative voters for a GOP POTUS - even more than Reagan  The GOP was not united behind Trump when he started, and because of that the Dems won the House in mid-terms. After Trump is re-elected by a landslide in November, the GOP will control both House and Senate, and they will embark on a program of policies and changes that will transform America and not only undo all the Obama damage, but lock those changes in for decades to come. 

Plus - Dems and all the Public Servants behind the fake FBI investigations, the Russia Hoax, and the partisan Impeachment, will all be Impeached and found guilty and sacked/charged. Never again will a POTUS have to go through what Trump has endured. 

Forever a Fake Impeachment and Forever Not Guilty.

 

Presiden Reagan's highest approval rating was 71....Trumps highest is 49.

[Ricohoc]

16 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Well i know the.constitution gives the house full ability to conduct the investigation any way it sees fit.

 

Do you have a link to the appropriate law that overrules it?

 

You may want to tell the whitehouse lawyers as they are currently in court saying the court has no jusisdiction to rule on congress subpoenas.

 

At the same time trumps lawyers arguing in the senate that the congress should have gone to court about subpoenas.

 

Lots of head spinning there.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/impeachment

 

It's not spin. 

 

Much of this was ruled upon by the courts during the investigation into Nixon.

 

The attorneys are arguing that the court has no jurisdiction because -- *drumroll* -- they are only letters of request because the House did not go through the proper process.  The process is flawed and did not follow procedure.

 

Nancy began her unilateral impeachment investigation without a full House vote.

[Sujo]

15 minutes ago, riclag said:

Should a impeachment have a high bar ,bipartsan vote or should it be a low bar partisan vote!

I'm inclined to dig into the weeds and go for the high bar for the sake of the institutions and executive constitutional right of executive privilege,that has been enjoyed by all POTUS for decades !

Trump has never exerted executive privilege.

 

The impeachment bar is whatever congress says it is. The constitution allows that.

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

Trump has never exerted executive privilege.

 

The impeachment bar is whatever congress says it is. The constitution allows that.

And the impeachment bar for the Dems is low to the point that the President would serve at the pleasure of the Congress.

 

The Republican Senators replied, "No thanks."

[Sujo]

45 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The entire impeachment episode was ill conceived.  It never had merit.  It was nothing more than an insistence that certain facts led to a single conclusion.  Never once were alternative explanations considered.  Never was the truth considered.

Plenty of witnesses could have given alternative explanations but werent allowed, and yet you now complain.

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

And the impeachment bar for the Dems is low to the point that the President would serve at the pleasure of the Congress.

 

The Republican Senators replied, "No thanks."

Without conducting a trial as per their oath.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

There you go.

 

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2020-02-05 CEG RHJ to Secret Service (Biden Travel).pdf

 

More, much more, coming.

If you want to be taken seriously, you got to give more relevant evidence. This is a request for information by Senator Rep Grassley as Chair of the Committee; not an investigation per se. Moreover the information he was seeking was whether Hunter Biden used government sponsored travel to help conduct private business. Still you got 3 likes. Amazing. 

[Mavideol]

57 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

An unworthy and lame response which addresses nothing.  If you can't argue your point then simply resort to snarky comments.

as usual Trump lovers are bitter people and lack sense of humor and that's why I supported Romney at least somebody with balls

[Tippaporn]

12 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Plenty of witnesses could have given alternative explanations but werent allowed, and yet you now complain.

I've complained from the moment Pelosi made the announcement.  I never before posted in this forum.  Shunned politics due to the immense amount of BS.  Came on here at that point because I recognized that the travesty which was about to be unleashed by people who simply hate Trump (and to hide their own corruption).

 

What witnesses could have provided proof of a crime that never existed?  It was a baseless accusation for which they then attempted to find "proof."  Knowing that no proof existed, as it was a false allegation, they then went about attempting to twist what facts there were in order to give the appearance of a crime.  Guess what?

 

They failed.

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Knowing that no proof existed, as it was a false allegation,

please be so kind to update us and provide just one, not two but just one false allegation

[JHolmesJr]

27 minutes ago, Sujo said:

The impeachment bar is whatever congress says it is. The constitution allows that.

 

The acquittal bar is whatever the senate says it is....the senate has spoken.

Please change the channel...it's getting boring now.

[sirineou]

4 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

The acquittal bar is whatever the senate says it is....the senate has spoken.

Please change the channel...it's getting boring now.

Funny how your opinion of the senate has suddenly   become more favorable 

I wonder if your opinion will persist when it becomes Democratic next election.

Edited February 6, 2020 by sirineou

[Tippaporn]

18 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Without conducting a trial as per their oath.

So you (and others) say.

 

The truth is there was a trial.  No further witnesses were required.  The House presented the Senate with a rock solid case which was indisputable.  So the Senate held the trial based on the House's investigation and found insufficient cause.

 

Now if I wanted to be deceitful I could claim the argument presented here by so many libs/Dems that the Constitution allows the House to make up whatever impeachment rules that please them.  And so the Constitution allows the Senate to make up whatever impeachment rules please them.  So when the shoe is on the other foot the libs/Dems howl, "You can't do that!!!  It ain't fair!!!  It's not just!!!  You're not holding up to your oath of office!!!!!"

 

Cognitive dissonance to the extreme.  Can you see it?  I can't put it any more plainly.

[Ricohoc]

10 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

please be so kind to update us and provide just one, not two but just one false allegation

There's no such thing as "obstruction of Congress."  Just because words can be strung together to form that phrase, doesn't mean it is an impeachable offense between CO-EQUAL BRANCHES of government.

 

The House is perfectly within their power to make that up into something nefarious and refer to it as an attempt to cover up crime(s), but the Senate is equally within their powers to determine that it's bunk.

[Ricohoc]

9 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Funny how your opinion of the senate has suddenly   become more favorable 

I wonder if your opinion will persist when it becomes Democratic next election.

What Democrats in 2020 DO -- and what they've attempted to do over the past decade or so -- is more important to me than what they have chosen to call themselves over the past decades. 

 

It's not about parties. It's about agendas, policies and programs; and which one best defends the Constitution, promotes Free Enterprise and nurtures Individual Liberty.

[muzley]

Looks like the impeachment farce has backfired on Dems!!

 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/284156/trump-job-approval-personal-best.aspx

[sirineou]

3 minutes ago, Ricohoc said:

What Democrats in 2020 DO -- and what they've attempted to do over the past decade or so -- is more important to me than what they have chosen to call themselves over the past decades. 

 

It's not about parties. It's about agendas, policies and programs; and which one best defends the Constitution, promotes Free Enterprise and nurtures Individual Liberty.

 Sure it is.

[Tippaporn]

5 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

please be so kind to update us and provide just one, not two but just one false allegation

Allegation:  Trump requested dirt on a political opponent from a foreign government for the purpose of advancing his re-election.

 

Proof:  No proof exists that it's true.

 

True, facts exist.  But beware!  Those facts do not conclusively point to a single conclusion.  The Dems/lib maintain to the death that the facts indeed point to a single conclusion.  They deny the world of probabilities.  They refute logic.

 

And everyone else disagrees with them.

[Eric Loh]

2 minutes ago, muzley said:

Looks like the impeachment farce has backfired on Dems!!

 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/284156/trump-job-approval-personal-best.aspx

Still below 50%. Majority disapprove. 

[Tippaporn]

34 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

If you want to be taken seriously, you got to give more relevant evidence. This is a request for information by Senator Rep Grassley as Chair of the Committee; not an investigation per se. Moreover the information he was seeking was whether Hunter Biden used government sponsored travel to help conduct private business. Still you got 3 likes. Amazing. 

From Yahoo:

 

Senate Republicans Request Hunter Biden’s Travel Records from Secret Service

 

"Senator Chuck Grassley, chair of the Finance Committee, and Senator Ron Johnson, chair of Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, requested the documents on former vice president Joe Biden’s son as part of their ongoing investigation into his possible conflicts of interest involving his business dealings with China and his lucrative position on the board of a Ukrainian gas company."

 

You're so wrong.

 

Now you no longer need to be mystified as to why my post earned 3 likes.

[Tippaporn]

34 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

as usual Trump lovers are bitter people and lack sense of humor and that's why I supported Romney at least somebody with balls

Completely false.  No bitterness.  Sense of humour intact.  Just zeroed in on contesting the corruption of the Dems.

[Mavideol]

22 minutes ago, Ricohoc said:

There's no such thing as "obstruction of Congress."  Just because words can be strung together to form that phrase, doesn't mean it is an impeachable offense between CO-EQUAL BRANCHES of government.

 

The House is perfectly within their power to make that up into something nefarious and refer to it as an attempt to cover up crime(s), but the Senate is equally within their powers to determine that it's bunk.

so by your logic the USA democracy it's <deleted>, correct?

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Some people who loath America as stated before in this thread below quote, are enjoying the entertainment 

 

"Can't wait - a dysfunctional USA has always been a huge source of entertainment for me"

  , ThaiBunny said:

Without Trump, Trevor Noah would run out of material in record time lol. 

[earlinclaifornia]

13 minutes ago, muzley said:

Looks like the impeachment farce has backfired on Dems!!

 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/284156/trump-job-approval-personal-best.aspx

What a JOKE this posting is: 

Look it up in this Gallop poll, the 92% uptick is Republicans. His Democratic suport is 8%. As an Independent I laugh at the cultist Democratic posts attaching them. Pay attention to what your looking at. Republicans are now just trump cultist. Same Same

 

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Allegation:  Trump requested dirt on a political opponent from a foreign government for the purpose of advancing his re-election.

 

Proof:  No proof exists that it's true.

 

True, facts exist.  But beware!  Those facts do not conclusively point to a single conclusion.  The Dems/lib maintain to the death that the facts indeed point to a single conclusion.  They deny the world of probabilities.  They refute logic.

 

And everyone else disagrees with them.

You have obviously been missing the news.

 

The GOP Senators did not vote to say Trump did not do what is alleged, many openly agreed he did.

 

They voted not to remove him from office for the allegations on which he was and remains impeached.

 

As more evidence of his crimes is revealed they’ll have to explain their vote.

Edited February 6, 2020 by Chomper Higgot

[Mavideol]

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

From Yahoo:

 

Senate Republicans Request Hunter Biden’s Travel Records from Secret Service

 

"Senator Chuck Grassley, chair of the Finance Committee, and Senator Ron Johnson, chair of Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, requested the documents on former vice president Joe Biden’s son as part of their ongoing investigation into his possible conflicts of interest involving his business dealings with China and his lucrative position on the board of a Ukrainian gas company."

 

You're so wrong.

 

Now you no longer need to be mystified as to why my post earned 3 likes.

and what does Hunter Biden has to do with Trump obstruction of justice, is Hunter Biden running for a government post, if so, go ahead investigate him and his relatives, that's the job of the US different security/investigative offices but he's not POTUS nor is he running for an election,  don't mix apples and oranges  (already asked you the saem question 4 times and you can't provide any plausible answer)

[Sujo]

20 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Allegation:  Trump requested dirt on a political opponent from a foreign government for the purpose of advancing his re-election.

 

Proof:  No proof exists that it's true.

 

True, facts exist.  But beware!  Those facts do not conclusively point to a single conclusion.  The Dems/lib maintain to the death that the facts indeed point to a single conclusion.  They deny the world of probabilities.  They refute logic.

 

And everyone else disagrees with them.

Republican senators dont agree, some have said he did it but it doesnt warrant removal.

 

do you know how hypocritical it sounds when you say there is no proof after denying evidence at the trial.

[earlinclaifornia]

42 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

So you (and others) say.

 

The truth is there was a trial.  No further witnesses were required.  The House presented the Senate with a rock solid case which was indisputable.  So the Senate held the trial based on the House's investigation and found insufficient cause.

 

Now if I wanted to be deceitful I could claim the argument presented here by so many libs/Dems that the Constitution allows the House to make up whatever impeachment rules that please them.  And so the Constitution allows the Senate to make up whatever impeachment rules please them.  So when the shoe is on the other foot the libs/Dems howl, "You can't do that!!!  It ain't fair!!!  It's not just!!!  You're not holding up to your oath of office!!!!!"

 

Cognitive dissonance to the extreme.  Can you see it?  I can't put it any more plainly.

I differ with your statement! No "insuffient cause" was not what the Senate decided. They voted they did not believe this was an Impeachable offense. He did it. Always his same MO with him, deny, deflect and if I did it so what.

Edited February 6, 2020 by earlinclaifornia
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[sirineou]

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

12 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

From Yahoo:

 

Senate Republicans Request Hunter Biden’s Travel Records from Secret Service

 

"Senator Chuck Grassley, chair of the Finance Committee, and Senator Ron Johnson, chair of Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, requested the documents on former vice president Joe Biden’s son as part of their ongoing investigation into his possible conflicts of interest involving his business dealings with China and his lucrative position on the board of a Ukrainian gas company."

 

You're so wrong.

 

Now you no longer need to be mystified as to why my post earned 3 likes.

and what does Hunter Biden has to do with Trump obstruction of justice, is Hunter Biden running for a government post, if so, go ahead investigate him and his relatives, that's the job of the US different security/investigative offices but he's not POTUS nor is he running for an election,  don't mix apples and oranges  (already asked you the saem question 4 times and you can't provide any plausible answer)

What the trumpists don't get is that even if Hunter Biden is proven to be a mass murderer worse than Jeffrey Dahmer , a  cannibal, and a rapist, it still will not change what trump did one iota.   

[earlinclaifornia]

19 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Without Trump, Trevor Noah would run out of material in record time lol. 

So, it is sounding like you did watch the latest show. OMG it was so FUNNY. Trump and his cult offer an unelievable BIGLY amount of the most hilarious joke material opportunity. 

Edited February 6, 2020 by earlinclaifornia