Taiwan says China feeding WHO wrong information about virus cases on island

[snoop1130]

Taiwan says China feeding WHO wrong information about virus cases on island

By Ben Blanchard

 

FILE PHOTO: A logo is pictured on the headquarters of the World Health Orgnaization (WHO) ahead of a meeting of the Emergency Committee on the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in Geneva, Switzerland, January 30, 2020. REUTERS/Denis Balibouse

 

TAIPEI (Reuters) - China is providing the World Health Organization (WHO) with wrong information about the number of coronavirus cases in Taiwan, the island’s foreign ministry said on Thursday, after the WHO published incorrect case numbers earlier this week.

 

Taiwan is not a WHO member because of China’s objections. Beijing says the island is a wayward Chinese province and not a country and is adequately represented in the organisation by China.

 

Democratically governed Taiwan says it is an independent country called the Republic of China - its formal name - and has never been part of the People’s Republic of China.

 

On Tuesday, the WHO corrected the number of cases reported on the island after having said there were 13. At the time Taiwan had only 10. Taiwan said on Thursday there were now 13 cases, compared to more than 28,000 in China.

 

Speaking at a news conference, Taiwan Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Joanne Ou said the crux of the problem was China giving the wrong case number details to the WHO.

 

“This was wrong information that was provided by China which created the mistake,” she said.

 

Ou said Taiwan had also protested to the WHO for again changing how they refer to the island, which it now calls “Taipei and environs”, having previously called it “Taiwan, China”, then “Taipei municipality” and then just “Taipei”.

 

“I’d like to ask the WHO, how many times are you going to change Taiwan’s name? These are not our correct names. Let me reiterate - our name is Taiwan, whose formal name is the Republic of China,” she added.

 

“We beseech the WHO not to put Taiwan’s information under China, creating mistake after mistake after mistake.”

 

Taiwan says the main consequence of that so far has been Italy including Taiwan in its ban on flights from China.

 

Taiwan’s China Airlines (2610.TW) has already stopped its Rome flights, and the island’s other main carrier Eva Airways (2618.TW) said on Thursday it would postpone this month’s launch of Milan flights due to the Italian ban.

 

Ou said they continue to press Italy to reverse the decision to stop flights from Taiwan.

 

China’s foreign ministry, in a faxed statement to Reuters, said the case numbers it reported to the WHO for Taiwan all came from Taiwan’s government.

 

“If there are mistakes, this is the relevant authorities in the Taiwan region deliberately reporting mistakes to us,” it said.

 

The WHO did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

 

Earlier this week, Ou said China was “vile” for seeking to limit Taiwan’s access to WHO meetings about the virus.

 

Both the WHO and China have repeatedly said Taiwan is getting the access and cooperation it needs.

 

China’s Taiwan Affairs Office said in a statement on Thursday the island should not “use the virus to plot independence”, and reiterated Taiwan faced no problem with technical cooperation with the WHO.

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2020-02-06

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[rabas]

The CCP is feeding wrong information to everyone including their own citizens.  All fake. Thus, I will predict the fatalities! No need CCP data.

 

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Edited February 6, 2020 by rabas

[Borzandy]

13 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

“This was wrong information that was provided by China

Ho no....

[ChipButty]

Taiwan will be getting invaded soon for spreading fake news

[nobodysfriend]

There are rumors circulating that the actual amount of infections and death is much higher than what is published by the chinese government ... Don't know whom or what to believe , but I do not trust an autocratic government .

[car720]

When is the world going to stop bending over to the CCP and recognize Taiwan as an independent country?

[Scouse123]

14 minutes ago, car720 said:

When is the world going to stop bending over to the CCP and recognize Taiwan as an independent country?

'

Impossible!

 

TRADE for a start. and second China is building up its military in the region as well as its economic and financial reach across the world.

 

I don't want it to happen to Taiwan, but it's only a matter of time it gets sucked in the same as Hong Kong and Macau. Before anybody mentions these were only islands leased off and returned to the rightful owners, I know.

 

China doesn't care about international laws or treaties. They play the long game.

[sawadee1947]

Wrong figures about Taiwan? 

I assume ALL figures coming from China are dressed up following political issues to achieve their political goats. ????

[RocketDog]

21 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

'

Impossible!

 

TRADE for a start. and second China is building up its military in the region as well as its economic and financial reach across the world.

 

I don't want it to happen to Taiwan, but it's only a matter of time it gets sucked in the same as Hong Kong and Macau. Before anybody mentions these were only islands leased off and returned to the rightful owners, I know.

 

China doesn't care about international laws or treaties. They play the long game.

Any time an independent country is threatened it is incumbent on the world to defy their action. 

 

What you claim is no more or less inevitable than China invading your own homeland. 

 

Your stance is tantamount to accepting Chinese domination of the entire world. Do you also accept their ownership of the Eastern Sea? 

 

If you want to worry about global domination then consider Islam, which isn't even a country and does not rely on financial, economic, or military strength to reach its goals. At this point Islam's control of Europe seems inevitable though and seems to also be acceptable to most governments. 

 

It's more likely that the world will end up praying five times a day than speaking Chinese. 

[natway09]

China will continue to provide information to the world exactly as it suits them to release.

the truth has no bearing on anything

 

 

[nausea]

I find it very difficult to believe that China is shutting down cities and banning foreign travel if this is just a case of really bad flu. And the reaction of other countries, quarantining for 14 days, seems a little excessive. At the best it's an overreaction, at the worst, well, we'll find out, won't we?

[overherebc]

17 hours ago, nausea said:

I find it very difficult to believe that China is shutting down cities and banning foreign travel if this is just a case of really bad flu. And the reaction of other countries, quarantining for 14 days, seems a little excessive. At the best it's an overreaction, at the worst, well, we'll find out, won't we?

And as yet we don't even know when half time is let alone the half time score.

 

Ref' the cruise ship in Japan, 61 confirmed ?

I hadn't realised that every new case onboard starts the clock again on the 14 day isolation count.

One guy from UK on his honeymoon now in hospital and his wife still in quarantine onboard.

Edited February 8, 2020 by overherebc

[Scouse123]

20 hours ago, RocketDog said:

Any time an independent country is threatened it is incumbent on the world to defy their action. 

 

What you claim is no more or less inevitable than China invading your own homeland. 

 

Your stance is tantamount to accepting Chinese domination of the entire world. Do you also accept their ownership of the Eastern Sea? 

 

If you want to worry about global domination then consider Islam, which isn't even a country and does not rely on financial, economic, or military strength to reach its goals. At this point Islam's control of Europe seems inevitable though and seems to also be acceptable to most governments. 

 

It's more likely that the world will end up praying five times a day than speaking Chinese. 

 

I think you are quoting two entirely different scenarios here.

 

Not many are more vocal than myself about the Islamic takeover, or attempted takeover in Europe, and various governments pandering to the wishes of a 6th century stone age religion that has no place in modern society.

 

Many countries are now starting to fight back and push back against radical Islam and have had enough, and also accept that this notion of multiculturalism just doesn't work. You can thank Germany for the latest 1 million piling into Europe! However,that is a different topic nor do I think it is relevant here.

 

Taiwan as you are no doubt aware came about due to the Communist revolution in mainland China in the late 1940s. The communists have always claimed this as a renegade state/ island. There seems to be more substance to this claim that to the ridiculous one over the whole of the South China seas based on same maps going back to god knows when.

 

I do not agree with Chinese expansion, from the belts and roads initiatives to their behaviour in Tibet and Mongolia. I was pointing out that the rest of the world has already buckled and accepted Taiwan as a part of China, just look at how many allies to independence Taiwan actually has?

 

The overall strength in numbers, military might, economic might, gives China the upper hand completely in this matter. I don't believe any other country has the capacity or will to prevent a Chinese takeover in the long term.

 

I am pro Taiwan and against Chinese expansionism, so is Vietnam, the Philippines and many other SEA nations if the truth be told, but I just do not think it will do any good to the people of Taiwan, it even has a number of pro Chinese political parties favoring acceptance of Chinese rule eventually.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 8, 2020 by Scouse123

[rabas]

59 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

The overall strength in numbers, military might, economic might, gives China the upper hand completely in this matter. I don't believe any other country has the capacity or will to prevent a Chinese takeover in the long term.

I agree with and am very thankful for your post. It seems to again come down to a case of might makes right. But nature and circumstance can derail man's best laid plans. Lets wait and see just how mighty the new coronavirus will be. The authorities seem quite fearful.

 

Edited February 8, 2020 by rabas

[RocketDog]

2 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

 

I think you are quoting two entirely different scenarios here.

 

Not many are more vocal than myself about the Islamic takeover, or attempted takeover in Europe, and various governments pandering to the wishes of a 6th century stone age religion that has no place in modern society.

 

Many countries are now starting to fight back and push back against radical Islam and have had enough, and also accept that this notion of multiculturalism just doesn't work. You can thank Germany for the latest 1 million piling into Europe! However,that is a different topic nor do I think it is relevant here.

 

Taiwan as you are no doubt aware came about due to the Communist revolution in mainland China in the late 1940s. The communists have always claimed this as a renegade state/ island. There seems to be more substance to this claim that to the ridiculous one over the whole of the South China seas based on same maps going back to god knows when.

 

I do not agree with Chinese expansion, from the belts and roads initiatives to their behaviour in Tibet and Mongolia. I was pointing out that the rest of the world has already buckled and accepted Taiwan as a part of China, just look at how many allies to independence Taiwan actually has?

 

The overall strength in numbers, military might, economic might, gives China the upper hand completely in this matter. I don't believe any other country has the capacity or will to prevent a Chinese takeover in the long term.

 

I am pro Taiwan and against Chinese expansionism, so is Vietnam, the Philippines and many other SEA nations if the truth be told, but I just do not think it will do any good to the people of Taiwan, it even has a number of pro Chinese political parties favoring acceptance of Chinese rule eventually.

 

 

 

 

Good points all. I actually agree with everything you said. 

 

I guess I was reacting emotionally to a bully getting away with his bullying. In too many ways China is successful in their various forms of coercion. Their unabashed claims of ownership of the earth and even the moon is hard to stomach. 

 

I'm slowly learning to accept the fact that my romantic notions of an ideal life are simply not viable. Living in Thailand has certainly taught me something about acceptance of reality. 

 

In the end it is my relationship with a genuinely honest and loving Thai woman that makes smaller things livablebfir me. 

[Traubert]

On 2/6/2020 at 7:38 PM, snoop1130 said:

On Tuesday, the WHO corrected the number of cases reported on the island after having said there were 13. At the time Taiwan had only 10. Taiwan said on Thursday there were now 13 cases,

Maybe China knew something that Taiwan didn't? ????????????

[recom273]

22 hours ago, nausea said:

I find it very difficult to believe that China is shutting down cities and banning foreign travel if this is just a case of really bad flu. And the reaction of other countries, quarantining for 14 days, seems a little excessive. At the best it's an overreaction, at the worst, well, we'll find out, won't we?

Why? They are a petrified paranoid nation .. they no longer trust the government in matters of health, remember SARS and the milk powder scandal?

 

I have daily contact with many Chinese during my working day, they aren't going out, just living on stockpiled cup noodles, I ask them why? because there is a virus outside! like there is a zombie invasion. It wouldn't surprise me if the doors and windows were taped shut. One family member runs out to get supplies and runs back and they nail the door fast.

 

I hear many cities are in lockdown, not just Wuhan. Wenzhou is for sure. The kids are learning via some hurried internet classroom live-link, my contact in Xi'an has been told that it may be May before her kid goes back.

 

Its going to be an interesting time over the next few weeks when the companies are wanting to start opening. What happens in the long run, if this continues, companies cant afford to pay worker to stay at home one the governments say-so.

 

Its a nuisance, I need to book some deliveries, the backlog is already horrid at this time of year, it will be xmas before I start to receive orders.

[Traubert]

14 minutes ago, recom273 said:

I hear many cities are in lockdown, not just Wuhan. Wenzhou is for sure. The kids are learning via some hurried internet classroom live-link, my contact in Xi'an has been told that it may be May before her kid goes back.

 

Its going to be an interesting time over the next few weeks when the companies are wanting to start opening. What happens in the long run, if this continues, companies cant afford to pay worker to stay at home one the governments say-so.

 

 

They are and you're quite correct about the fear and paranoia. Sickness is the big bad wolf in China.

 

The lockdowns are voluntary. An advisory came out about 'journey only when necessary' and everyone in my city is locked away at home. I look down on the main thoroughfare and it's twenty or thirty cars a minute, few electric bikes and empty buses going through there. Everybody is masked. I havent been out for 16 days.

 

There are 32 cases in my city (1 in 200,000) and two deaths so far so it's feeling like overkill. With only 32 in Thailand and no deaths I wonder what everyone is panicking about.

 

There's a phased return to work by business type starting tomorrow, but by no means a mass surge back.

Edited February 8, 2020 by Traubert
Addition

[Salerno]

11 minutes ago, Traubert said:

I havent been out for 16 days.

Don't be a wuss, get out there and get us some real on the ground reporting (but take a look out for the cops) ????

Edited February 8, 2020 by Salerno

[WaveHunter]

China has a "hard-on" for Taiwan.  I'm sure nobody questions that if they are up on what's currently going on between them regarding Taiwan's status as an independent entity. 

 

China is using the WHO politically against Taiwan in a very discriminatory way.  For instance, China coerced the WHO to prevent Taiwan from attending the latest health conferences, and are, in general, taking every opportunity to use propaganda any way they can against Taiwan

 

Worse yet, the WHO is acting in a highly complicit and very political way in many regards on China's behalf in this crisis, which actually endanger the global community, not protect it.

 

For instance, when they finally declared this outbreak to be a global emergency, they strongly promoted the idea that no travel or trade restrictions be taken "against" China, and to do so would be a big mistake. 

 

The General Director of the WHO specifically used the word "against", implying that, for for the global community to enact travel and trade restrictions would be tantamount to attacking China's economy in a discriminatory way.

 

Protecting and promoting the economic well being of China is not The WHO's job!  Their job is to protect the safety and well-being of the global community!

 

Frankly I think how The WHO is acting is irresponsible and disgusting in this regard!

Edited February 9, 2020 by WaveHunter

[metisdead]

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[Pique Dard]

if infected by the coronavirus, is death inevitable or can one be cured?

[Salerno]

3 minutes ago, Pique Dard said:

if infected by the coronavirus, is death inevitable or can one be cured?

Coronavirus Cases:

40,553

of which 6,494 
in serious/critical condition

Deaths:

910

Recovered:

3,324