Britain eyes early free trade pact with Australia after leaving EU

[ratcatcher]

Surely Australian and New Zealand Spring lamb is going to be entering the UK at a different time as when British Spring lamb hits the market?

[samran]

1 minute ago, ratcatcher said:

Surely Australian and New Zealand Spring lamb is going to be entering the UK at a different time as when British Spring lamb hits the market?

It will be shipped frozen for competition all year round.

[samran]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

So much salt from the perennial losers on every Brexit thread. Mostly from non Brits. Great to read ????.

 

Also great to see so many deals in the pipeline, exciting times ahead.

Don’t you mean an Australian Trade thread with the usual Brits yearning for empire?

[Logosone]

Yes, a deal with a country of 25 million should be spectacular and change the course of the world.

 

I'm so excited for Britain. All the marmite and Dr Martens they will sell in Syndey. 

 

Still a trade deficit with Thailand, mind you. $US 1.4 billion, but with all the TVRs and Morgans Britain will sell in Melbourne that should be quickly erased...

[melvinmelvin]

14 minutes ago, ratcatcher said:

Surely Australian and New Zealand Spring lamb is going to be entering the UK at a different time as when British Spring lamb hits the market?

surely,

down under lamb should hit John O'Groat high street in time for Xmas though.

 

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, samran said:

Don’t you mean an Australian Trade thread with the usual Brits yearning for empire?

Must be awful being so bitter. At least you have the forum to vent some of that jealousy and frustration. Good luck ????.

[Logosone]

15 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

We don't need saving 

That's the irony, you actually do, yet Boris Johnson thinks he's Superman. He's Lois Lane.

 

His country's manufacturing sector has shrunk by two thirds. All your economy is is services, you have the largest debt mountain per capita of any country, no longer able to pay your own way in the world. As a result you depend on foreign countries giving you credit. 

 

You can't even finance the handouts you give to old age pensioners, to finance these benefits you have to go cap in hand and beg the US, Japan and Germany to give credit via the capital markets. Your NHS is the worst health service in Western Europe, and still you can not finance it in the long term, just like the handouts to the unemployed and old age pensioners.

 

Meanwhile Moody's has downgraded the UK, whose creditworthiness is now on a par with the United Arab Emirates.

 

If there's anybody that needs saving, it''s the UK economy. But no takers wide and far. Meanwhile Boris says economy takes a back seat to patriotism. 

 

We've seen all this before. Just like at the height of the BSE crisis you had the British on TV saying with a straight face, 'British beef is the best in the world'. I understand the British genius for marketing, but saying something is so, doesn't make it so.

Edited February 6, 2020 by Logosone

[Jip99]

1 minute ago, Logosone said:

That's the irony, you actually do, yet Boris Johnson thinks he's Superman. He's Lois Lane.

 

His country's manufacturing sector has shrunk by two thirds. All your economy is is services, you have the words debt mountain per capita of any country, no longer able to pay your own way in the world. As a result you depend on foreign countries giving you credit. 

 

You can't even finance the handouts you give to old age pensioners, to finance these benefits you have to go cap in hand and beg the US, Japan and Germany to give credit via the capital markets. Your NHS is the worst health service in Western Europe, and still you can not finance it in the long term, just like the handouts to the unemployed and old age pensioners.

 

Meanwhile Moody's has downgraded the UK, whose creditworthiness is now on a par with the United Arab Emirates.

 

If there's anybody that needs saving, it''s the UK economy. But no takers wide and far. Meanwhile Boris says economy takes a back seat to patriotism. 

 

 

 

You are going to be soooo disappointed when we jog along nicely.

[samran]

15 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Must be awful being so bitter. At least you have the forum to vent some of that jealousy and frustration. Good luck ????.

Bitter isn't the word. Entertained....that's the word you are looking for.

 

But I guess, when you've been handed a sh!t sandwich, all that can be done is to chew furiously...

[Logosone]

57 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

 

You are going to be soooo disappointed when we jog along nicely.

Of course Britain will continue. Even Germany had an hour zero, where thanks to the British bombing civilians, housing and not just infrastructure, the German economy was completely destroyed. It was at zero. And it managed to rebuild from scratch. However, that was against a backdrop of globally super-favourable conditions in the 1950s and 1960s. 

 

The environment the British now face is nothing like that. It is a contraction environment. The world economy is no longer booming. Rather than freely trading and helping each other, like hyenas every country has to pounce on the remnants of a capitalist carcass that is rotting from the inside thanks to the overpopulation of the elderly, shrinking tax revenues and massively increased social expenditure.

 

Britain is among the countries worst placed for this challenge. You will of course keep walking, but the breathing should be painful, the atrophy in the muscles (two-third's loss in manufacturing output) and the heavy baggage (biggest debt per capita in the developed world) will make that jog rather laboured and slow. It won't be so enjoyable. How will Britons finance all the Sky subscriptions, expensive housing, tablets, new mobile phones, big screen tvs, new German cars and high priced supermarket products? I suspect the quality of life in Britain will go down even further. Having seen Harlow, that's hard to imagine, but it will. And you will keep walking yes. What other option do you have?

Edited February 6, 2020 by Logosone

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

We don't need saving and your rhetoric is pure bu11sh1t.

 

 

 

You seem extremely negative towards the UK..... where are you from ?

I don't take much notice of his anti-UK tirades anymore. Anybody who does that, but is too ashamed to admit where they come from has no credibility in my book.  

[Logosone]

I have no problem to admit where I come from, it's just that has nothing to do with the thread. Whilst I am flattered by all the personal interest and happy to send you an autographed picture, the fact that I come from an economically, culturally and musically more significant country is not really pertinent to this discussion. If you want to know my background PM me and happy to discuss.

[gearbox]

1 hour ago, samran said:

It will be shipped frozen for competition all year round.

Competition between the Oz/NZ lamb and the UK lamb is like competition between Toyota and Tata. 

 

"Aussie Lamb is enjoyed in more than 100 countries all over the world. Why? Because Lamb from Australia has the ‘all-natural advantage’ and is available in a wide array of product lines and cuts. It’s pasture-raised, grassfed, and free of artificial additives as well as hormone growth promotants - a pure product of its pure environment."

 

[gearbox]

3 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

A free trade agreement with UK will be welcomed by Australia - our economic, social and military ties go back a long way and leaving the EU is something most Australians support.  

So AussieBob, what's in for us? We have a FTA with Japan but still the Japanese single malt is so bloody expensive... 

[whatsupdoc]

7 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

I think he will go on my ignore list........................along with his other aliases.

Typical of Brexiteers; when they are confronted with a well-informed opinion outside of their bubble they ignore it

[melvinmelvin]

31 minutes ago, gearbox said:

Competition between the Oz/NZ lamb and the UK lamb is like competition between Toyota and Tata. 

 

"Aussie Lamb is enjoyed in more than 100 countries all over the world. Why? Because Lamb from Australia has the ‘all-natural advantage’ and is available in a wide array of product lines and cuts. It’s pasture-raised, grassfed, and free of artificial additives as well as hormone growth promotants - a pure product of its pure environment."

 

 

and free of physical exercise and very fatty

same as the lamb from the islands down the road

 

[SheungWan]

4 hours ago, lungbing said:

Given the ant-British vitriol pouring from Irish politicians I would make sure the first trade deal with Australia is for products that Ireland used to provide.

Fosters Guinness.

[Jip99]

28 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

Typical of Brexiteers; when they are confronted with a well-informed opinion outside of their bubble they ignore it

 

 

Well informed opinion my ar5e!

[whatsupdoc]

20 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Well informed opinion my ar5e!

QED

By the way, in his earlier posts there are enough clues to make an educated guess where Logosone might be from. No need for Sherlock Holmes to make a deduction.

Edited February 6, 2020 by whatsupdoc

[Loiner]

5 hours ago, lungbing said:

Given the ant-British vitriol pouring from Irish politicians I would make sure the first trade deal with Australia is for products that Ireland used to provide.

Given the anti-British vitriol of a few TVF Aussies, I’d give the trade to NZ. 

[Loiner]

4 hours ago, samran said:

Just as long as Chav’s aren’t allowed in, I’m all good.

The Bogans won’t like it when FOM chavs come to undercut their wage slave jobs?

[AussieBob18]

5 hours ago, gearbox said:

So AussieBob, what's in for us? We have a FTA with Japan but still the Japanese single malt is so bloody expensive... 

Sorry - we dont make single malt - got some good wine though ????

 

[Scott]

Off-topic, troll posts reported and removed.

 

[ballpoint]

12 hours ago, gearbox said:

We can send them overpaid baristas, they can send us overpaid divorce lawyers. Win win.

Baristas for barristers.

 

[evadgib]

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[billd766]

16 hours ago, JWRC said:

It's a big But, they couldn't even agree on a reciprocal agreement for pensioners and pensions.

It depends on who you think "they" are.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNT-dLCUawTewL4pxVmSMHAuR0In2Q%3A1581049403298&ei=O-Y8Xor2EYXez7sPzcCmyAg&q=history+of+frozen+uk+pensions&oq=history+offrozen+uk+pensions&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.33i10.8222.13817..16393...0.2..0.103.870.9j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j35i304i39j0i13j0i8i13i30j0i8i13i10i30.TUjtO3oY7Xk

 

I googled 'history of frozen UK pensions and came up with this. It is a pdf document 37 pages long.

 

It goes back to 1925 when pensions were first introduced, amended in 1929, amended again in 1946, again in 1973, again in 1995.

 

I read the first 4 or 5 pages before my eyes started to glaze over and boredom set in. It is written in civil service gobbledy gook.

 

Basically successive governments have said that it would cost too much half a billion GDP I read somewhere so it won't happen in my lifetime (I am 75).

Froozen overseas pensions.pdf

[Thingamabob]

We Brits betrayed not only Oz when we joined the EEC, but all the other former dominions and colonies. We did very well out of them during imperial rule, and we should have considered setting up a commonwealth trading system with them, way ahead of our rush to join Europe. 

[CliffH]

Trade with nations on the other side of the world rather than ones next door.  Certainly makes a lot of (Brexit) sense.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, CliffH said:

Trade with nations on the other side of the world rather than ones next door.  Certainly makes a lot of (Brexit) sense.

Can't we do both?

[Sujo]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Can't we do both?

Why would you need to do both. You can only need so much, if one can supply what you need why use two.