Popular Post vogie Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sujo said: Why would you need to do both. You can only need so much, if one can supply what you need why use two. Because we can! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 21 minutes ago, CliffH said: Trade with nations on the other side of the world rather than ones next door. Certainly makes a lot of (Brexit) sense. 'As well as' (& have you not heard of The Commonwealth?) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Sure, we send them mutton and they send us Bermudans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post samran Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, evadgib said: 'As well as' (& have you not heard of The Commonwealth?) The commonwealth is an archaic relic. If it was a dog it would have been put out of its misery by now. The only reason it continues to exist is that politicians in member countries get a free trip to meet Betty every year or two at CHOGM and they can appoint a couple of lackeys to the commonwealth games committee. No one is really falling over themselves to host the games any more given their costs, but they'll happily ride the gravy train otherwise. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post evadgib Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, samran said: The commonwealth is an archaic relic. If it was a dog it would have been put out of its misery by now. The only reason it continues to exist is that politicians in member countries get a free trip to meet Betty every year or two at CHOGM and they can appoint a couple of lackeys to the commonwealth games committee. No one is really falling over themselves to host the games any more given their costs, but they'll happily ride the gravy train otherwise. Lol; Was that a yes or a no? Edited February 7, 2020 by evadgib 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, evadgib said: Lol; Was that a yes or a no? I was referring to what you had in the brackets - the irrelevance of the Commonwealth. Anyway, all going swimmingly for Domonic Raab in oz today https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/australian-mp-delivers-stunning-rebuke-to-uk-s-dominic-raab-on-huawei-20200206-p53yjg.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Forethat Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 hours ago, CliffH said: Trade with nations on the other side of the world rather than ones next door. Certainly makes a lot of (Brexit) sense. I hate to be the one to deliver the bad news, but Australia would be a pretty miserable and lonely country (from a trading perspective) if trading was only to be performed with next door neighbours... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 hours ago, vogie said: Because we can! We already were trading with both the EU and Aus. The idiots who voted for Brexit broke that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vogie Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: We already were trading with both the EU and Aus. The idiots who voted for Brexit broke that. You really are abusive, stop greeting and face the facts we are leaving, it was a democratic decision, sorry it has upset you so much. Start posting in an amicable manner and you may get amicable replys. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 26 minutes ago, Forethat said: I hate to be the one to deliver the bad news, but Australia would be a pretty miserable and lonely country (from a trading perspective) if trading was only to be performed with next door neighbours... Feeling out in the cold a bit are we? Free trade agreements in force The following are Australia’s free trade agreements (listed with the entry into force date): Australia–New Zealand (ANZCERTA or CER) — 1 January 1983 Singapore–Australia (SAFTA) — 28 July 2003 Australia–United States (AUSFTA) — 1 January 2005 Thailand–Australia (TAFTA) — 1 January 2005 Australia–Chile (AClFTA) — 6 March 2009 ASEAN–Australia–New Zealand (AANZFTA) — 1 January 2010 for eight countries: Australia, New Zealand, Brunei, Burma, Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore and Vietnam. For Thailand: 12 March 2010. For Laos: 1 January 2011. For Cambodia: 4 January 2011. For Indonesia: 10 January 2012 Malaysia–Australia (MAFTA) — 1 January 2013 Korea–Australia (KAFTA) — 12 December 2014 Japan–Australia (JAEPA) — 15 January 2015 China–Australia (ChAFTA) — 20 December 2015 Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) — 30 December 2018 Australia – Hong Kong (A-HKFTA) – 17 January 2020 Peru-Australia (PAFTA) — 11 February 2020 https://dfat.gov.au/trade/agreements/in-force/Pages/free-trade-agreements-in-force.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Forethat Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, samran said: Feeling out in the cold a bit are we? Free trade agreements in force The following are Australia’s free trade agreements (listed with the entry into force date): Australia–New Zealand (ANZCERTA or CER) — 1 January 1983 Singapore–Australia (SAFTA) — 28 July 2003 Australia–United States (AUSFTA) — 1 January 2005 Thailand–Australia (TAFTA) — 1 January 2005 Australia–Chile (AClFTA) — 6 March 2009 ASEAN–Australia–New Zealand (AANZFTA) — 1 January 2010 for eight countries: Australia, New Zealand, Brunei, Burma, Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore and Vietnam. For Thailand: 12 March 2010. For Laos: 1 January 2011. For Cambodia: 4 January 2011. For Indonesia: 10 January 2012 Malaysia–Australia (MAFTA) — 1 January 2013 Korea–Australia (KAFTA) — 12 December 2014 Japan–Australia (JAEPA) — 15 January 2015 China–Australia (ChAFTA) — 20 December 2015 Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) — 30 December 2018 Australia – Hong Kong (A-HKFTA) – 17 January 2020 Peru-Australia (PAFTA) — 11 February 2020 https://dfat.gov.au/trade/agreements/in-force/Pages/free-trade-agreements-in-force.aspx Would you be OK if I asked you to have a look at a map before entering a discussion involving your next door neighbours? 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Forethat said: Would you be OK if I asked you to have a look at a map before entering a discussion involving your next door neighbours? Didn't realise Beijing, Tokyo, Washington DC or Santiago were our next door neighbours. And you are asking me to look at a map? Edited February 7, 2020 by samran 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Forethat Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, samran said: Didn't realise Beijing, Tokyo, Washington DC or Santiago were our next door neighbours. And you are asking me to look at a map? Exactly. That was my whole point. Perhaps read up on the comments before firing up the arguing machine? I'll help you out: In case it's unclear (apparently it is), my opinion is that you can trade regardless of geographical separation. Judging by the Australian free trade agreements, the people of Australia agree. Apparently, @CliffH disagrees. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) I think that we are gearing up for a free trade agreement with the Scots as all those haggises..((haggi?) will be in big demand. Thank heavens we have a Queen of Australia (who just happens also to be the queen of a few foggy islands off the mainland of Western Europe as well..)???? Australia really doesn't have much in the way of kinship ties with England anymore-thank the lord Harry-and the days of endless re-runs of 'On the Buses' and 'The Benny Hill Show' are long gone. Edited February 7, 2020 by Odysseus123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfill Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 20 hours ago, AussieBob18 said: You would be surprised how much about Brexit and USA is shown in Australia - but not as to the exact workings. But we do know things like - that Frenchmen can fish in UK waters and British fishermen are banned. Ah, so you only know the made up stuff? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Forethat said: Exactly. That was my whole point. Perhaps read up on the comments before firing up the arguing machine? I'll help you out: In case it's unclear (apparently it is), my opinion is that you can trade regardless of geographical separation. Judging by the Australian free trade agreements, the people of Australia agree. Apparently, @CliffH disagrees. Ah, okay gotchya. So dumping your most natural, closest and seamless trading links with the EU (which via you had trade access to other FTAs - eg EU-Canada - where your combined negotiating power gave you access countries that Australia could have ever dreamed of) is the way to go, so you can venture off to negotiate a bunch of half arsed and partial 'free' trade agreements with countries on the other side of the world. Australia had no choice but to go far and wide. You did. But it is a choice, and it has been made. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Forethat Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, samran said: Ah, okay gotchya. So dumping your most natural, closest and seamless trading links with the EU (which via you had trade access to other FTAs - eg EU-Canada - where your combined negotiating power gave you access countries that Australia could have ever dreamed of) is the way to go, so you can venture off to negotiate a bunch of half arsed and partial 'free' trade agreements with countries on the other side of the world. Australia had no choice but to go far and wide. You did. But it is a choice, and it has been made. It's a free world. Judging by YOUR principles I could open a convenience store across the street from where you live and then blame you for making "half arsed and partial decision" when you head down to Tesco's for groceries. But keep chasing your windmills, I think you're doing a great job at that. 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 50 minutes ago, vogie said: You really are abusive, stop greeting and face the facts we are leaving, it was a democratic decision, sorry it has upset you so much. Start posting in an amicable manner and you may get amicable replys. Abusive? Nah thats the remit of Brexiteers. Like calling people who think Brexit is a bad idea traitors. Slogans and insults. Its all you guys can manage. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, Forethat said: It's a free world. Judging by YOUR principles I could open a convenience store across the street from where you live and then blame you for making "half arsed and partial decision" when you head down to Tesco's for groceries. But keep chasing your windmills, I think you're doing a great job at that. Yes and if you opened a convenience store you would think it was a good idea to ban half your customers and try and get your goods from a wholesaler thousands of miles away rather than the one next door. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, Forethat said: It's a free world. Judging by YOUR principles I could open a convenience store across the street from where you live and then blame you for making "half arsed and partial decision" when you head down to Tesco's for groceries. But keep chasing your windmills, I think you're doing a great job at that. No chasing windmills for me. Sitting back, popcorn in one hand, beer in another, watching it all unfold... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Forethat Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Rookiescot said: Yes and if you opened a convenience store you would think it was a good idea to ban half your customers and try and get your goods from a wholesaler thousands of miles away rather than the one next door. Yes, that's the EU principle. Thanks for pointing it out. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vogie Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: Abusive? Nah thats the remit of Brexiteers. Like calling people who think Brexit is a bad idea traitors. Slogans and insults. Its all you guys can manage. Na na na na na. ???????????????? 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Forethat said: Yes, that's the EU principle. Thanks for pointing it out. In what way is that the Eu's principle? Do tell. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 34 minutes ago, samran said: No chasing windmills for me. Sitting back, popcorn in one hand, beer in another, watching it all unfold... Don Q savoured wine when he wasn't chasing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post evadgib Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 36 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: Abusive? Nah thats the remit of Brexiteers. Like calling people who think Brexit is a bad idea traitors. Slogans and insults. Its all you guys can manage. You were doing more Chomping than Higgot until yesterday's news caused you to LDV (look, duck and vanish) ???? 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, evadgib said: You were doing more Chomping than Higgot until yesterday's news caused you to LDV (look, duck and vanish) ???? I do have a life away from TVF. Now please come back with one of your comforting slogans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CG1 Blue Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Rookiescot said: We already were trading with both the EU and Aus. The idiots who voted for Brexit broke that. Says a man who wants Scotland to break ties with it's biggest trading partner, England ???? 3 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said: Don Q savoured wine when he wasn't chasing Fortunately im not from La Mancha. If it’s Spanish we are talking about, then I’m a bit of a Goya fan. Saturn eating his children seems quite apt of what I’m seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said: Says a man who wants Scotland to break ties with it's biggest trading partner, England ???? Its got a ready trading partner of 400m people just across the way to help soften the blow! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CG1 Blue Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, samran said: Its got a ready trading partner of 400m people just across the way to help soften the blow! But they do >60% of trade with the rest of the UK which is right on their doorstep. Why mess with that? If you work out the answer, you'll get a better idea of why the UK voted to leave the EU. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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