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I do the same for over a year now. I usually drink coffee with butter in the morning. Bone broth around 11h then main meal 1-2h later. 

 

It's much more healthy than eating the standard 6 meals a day since it promotes autophagy. However you will notice that your weight loss with plateau pretty soon. 

 

 

 

 

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Personally I prefer to enjoy my food (Mrs Moon is a great cook) and take plenty of exercise. Good for the mind as well as the body. But I do prefer to follow the 12 hour intermittent fast routine whenever possible.

 

Where does the 'standard 6 meals a day' come from @Tayaout?

 

 

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Done this for 4 weeks and lost 8kgs no exercise. No special diet just a mix of good stuff. Lasted 23,24 hours somedays and lowest is 17 hours. Even had beers and chips on weekend. I just have salt, water and black coffee until noon then try to wait til 3 or later to eat. The fasting is easier than I thought and coffee helps reduce hunger.

 

The next step is try carnivore plus 20/4. Start slowly and work into it.

Understand that when you put your body into starvation mode it will try to rationalize and get rid of unwanted excess weight etc. and become more efficient so you can survive longer.  Muscle is the most dense when it comes to weight so the priority will be to dispose of muscle mass and then fat (secondary priority).  So while you are getting rid of fat you are also getting rid of muscles.  The larger the muscle the more calories you will burn for normal daily exercise... So typically leg exercises (legs having the larger muscle) will consume more calories...  (a good run will do wonders if you don't injure yourself)...  In the end the starvation diet will lower your calorie count that you will be able to consume and not gain weight for a long time... which usually ends up in yo yo diet, gain more than you lost cycles.

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1 hour ago, Tayaout said:

It's much more healthy than eating the standard 6 meals a day

 

6 meals a day ??? Who's standard is that ?

 

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5 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Understand that when you put your body into starvation mode it will try to rationalize and get rid of unwanted excess weight etc. and become more efficient so you can survive longer.  Muscle is the most dense when it comes to weight so the priority will be to dispose of muscle mass and then fat (secondary priority).  So while you are getting rid of fat you are also getting rid of muscles.  The larger the muscle the more calories you will burn for normal daily exercise... So typically leg exercises (legs having the larger muscle) will consume more calories...  (a good run will do wonders if you don't injure yourself)...  In the end the starvation diet will lower your calorie count that you will be able to consume and not gain weight for a long time... which usually ends up in yo yo diet, gain more than you lost cycles.

Don't confuse starvation and intermittent fasting. You can starve on 6 meals a day too. You could add some source to your post. 

 

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14 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Understand that when you put your body into starvation mode it will try to rationalize and get rid of unwanted excess weight etc. and become more efficient so you can survive longer.  Muscle is the most dense when it comes to weight so the priority will be to dispose of muscle mass and then fat (secondary priority).  So while you are getting rid of fat you are also getting rid of muscles.  The larger the muscle the more calories you will burn for normal daily exercise... So typically leg exercises (legs having the larger muscle) will consume more calories...  (a good run will do wonders if you don't injure yourself)...  In the end the starvation diet will lower your calorie count that you will be able to consume and not gain weight for a long time... which usually ends up in yo yo diet, gain more than you lost cycles.

That's incorrect science, or not fully explained. Sorry to intervene, no offence intended.

 

Fasting switches the metabolism. This makes sense, since protein is functional tissue and there is no point to burning useful tissue while fasting when there is plenty of fat around. So, no, most people do not 'burn' muscle during fasting. Rationale is that the human body is designed to prevent loss of life during a (starvation) fasting period, and muscle is needed for humans (to move) to obtain sustenance, fat isn't.

 

However, what some people could lose, if 50+, is the ready ability to build new muscle tissue while on a IF regime - or in my case it's bloody hard work; weight training is a critical benefit, and rebuilding muscle tissue is the rationale why most elderly people do need more protein than the daily recommended amount - but not overdoing it.

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Been doing this since forever. I fast 20 hours every day and have just four one-hour 'zones' when I can eat. I call them “breakfast”, “lunch”, “tea” and “dinner”. Works for me.

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41 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

That's incorrect science, or not fully explained. Sorry to intervene, no offence intended.

 

Fasting switches the metabolism. This makes sense, since protein is functional tissue and there is no point to burning useful tissue while fasting when there is plenty of fat around. So, no, most people do not 'burn' muscle during fasting. Rationale is that the human body is designed to prevent loss of life during a (starvation) fasting period, and muscle is needed for humans (to move) to obtain sustenance, fat isn't.

 

However, what some people could lose, if 50+, is the ready ability to build new muscle tissue while on a IF regime - or in my case it's bloody hard work; weight training is a critical benefit, and rebuilding muscle tissue is the rationale why most elderly people do need more protein than the daily recommended amount - but not overdoing it.

I'm no expert, but currently following the Rapid Fat Loss Diet by Lyle McDonald. He goes a long way into the science of dieting, and quoting from him, he says that the brain requires energy that can only be derived from a protein source, so if there is no protein intake from food, then that will be garnered from your muscles regardless of how much fat you have stored, which is why he quotes fat loss rather than weight loss. Another view anyway.

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