Antarctic base records hottest temperature ever

[Throatwobbler]

7 hours ago, pkspeaker said:

Your assuming this 'high-rate' of heating actually exists, it doesn't.  These temperature records have repeatedly been exposed as fabricated, altered, or poor quality stations used or that thermometers were fraudulently placed. 

 

There wasn't really any global warming from the late 1800's to 1989.. and there been practically no warming since then, or cooling.

 

This year large parts of the US got hit by snowstorms in September, it's still cold in northern Thailand right now.  This 'hot-world' doesn't really exists and going from 300ppm CO2 to 400 does not really create this 'high-rate' of warming

 

Take a look at the more important climate indicators like growing degree days and the opposite is actually the climate problem:

 

https://qr.ae/TiRBnR

 

 

The fact that you are using there has been snow therefore the world can't be getting warmer argument shows how clueless you are about all of this.

Edited February 9, 2020 by Throatwobbler

[Crazy Alex]

14 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said:

The sea fossils in death vally are due to plate techtonics. Nothing to do with climate.

Yes, so the huge lake that was there 10,000 years ago disappeared because of plate tectonics and not climate change. Wow, that's some fast tectonic plate action that occurred. LOL

 

Here are the actual facts regarding the lake disappearing:

 

"Lake Manly. Lake Manly was a large freshwater lake which filled the Death Valley (United States) basin before the area's climate became dry at the end of the last ice age. Lake Manly receded due to increased evaporation, and to isolation from the Colorado River system, to which it was once connected."

 

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=why+did+the+lake+in+death+valley+dry+up%3F

Edited February 9, 2020 by Crazy Alex

[Throatwobbler]

3 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, so the huge lake that was there 10,000 years ago disappeared because of plate tectonics and not climate change. Wow, that's some fast tectonic plate action that occurred. LOL

 

Here are the actual facts regarding the lake disappearing:

 

"Lake Manly. Lake Manly was a large freshwater lake which filled the Death Valley (United States) basin before the area's climate became dry at the end of the last ice age. Lake Manly receded due to increased evaporation, and to isolation from the Colorado River system, to which it was once connected."

 

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=why+did+the+lake+in+death+valley+dry+up%3F

Fossils take a bit longer than 10,000 years to form.

[Throatwobbler]

3 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, so the huge lake that was there 10,000 years ago disappeared because of plate tectonics and not climate change. Wow, that's some fast tectonic plate action that occurred. LOL

 

Here are the actual facts regarding the lake disappearing:

 

"Lake Manly. Lake Manly was a large freshwater lake which filled the Death Valley (United States) basin before the area's climate became dry at the end of the last ice age. Lake Manly receded due to increased evaporation, and to isolation from the Colorado River system, to which it was once connected."

 

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=why+did+the+lake+in+death+valley+dry+up%3F

You have to go back and read your original post to understand what you wrote. You have a very limited understanding of what you are talking about.

[thaicurious]

8 hours ago, TheDark said:

Oh yeah! Don't trust scientist who have proven themself to be NASA and NOAA worthy to be hired to work there.

 

Instead trust a random guy's ranting on a youtube video!

 

That makes perfect sense. You must be a giant among the rest of us.

Isn't that the weirdest thing.

 

A NASA scientist graced our Thanksgiving table annually for decades. Earlier in his career he was involved with tech for an Air Force One. Never once did I hear him cite a youtuber.

 

8 hours ago, rabas said:

And so it goes. Out comes the sociopath label for drawing attention to the geological basis of Earth's climate because it does not fit an agenda. Note my earlier point 2 about solving man's problems without hysteria.

I didn't label, as you've projected, the consideration of geographic time as sociopath rather sociopathy DEFINES the very thing you've describe when you express that period of time applicable as nothing but a blip for within that blip exists humanity. So before you again complain about hysteria you might want first to notice your own grasping for dear life to your own expressed nihilism.

 

4 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Let's take your post at face value. Life on Earth has flourished with CO2 levels about 1,000 ppm. The Cretaceous Period is an example. And as noted, these levels have gone up and down without human intervention.

There's that broken record again. People die of natural causes everyday so why bother looking at the evidence and what it means when someone is murdered. They would have died eventually anyway.

 

What you express isn't science; it is apathy disguised in  gobbledygook.

[Scott]

Troll posts and replies removed.   Posts with misinformation also removed.  

 

Because you cannot dazzle us with brilliance does not mean you can baffle with BS.

 

[jcsmith]

19 hours ago, pkspeaker said:

if temps have risen so much in the last 30 years, then why isthere more snow now?

Warmer temperatures increase the amount of moisture in the air. That moisture leads to extreme weather events. Climate change is going to cause more extreme snowstorms, hurricanes, and floods. 

Edited February 9, 2020 by jcsmith

[VincentRJ]

We know how to stop the sea levels rising, but it's too difficult, politically and economically. The clue lies in satellite observations after the massive floods in Australia in 2010-11, which followed the 'millennium' drought.

 

Most of the dams in Australia were very low or empty, the underground water tables were low, and Lake Eyre, which is a huge inland lake about 15 metres below sea level, in the north of South Australia, was also dry.

 

When the massive rainfall in 2010-11 occurred, due to La Nina, huge amounts of water were temporarily stopped from flowing back to the sea, as the dams and Lake Eyre filled up. The satellite observations showed that global sea levels fell slightly and didn't continue to rise for about 18 months.

 

The principle here is very obvious. In a warming climate  the oceans expand slightly due to the heat, and more water is added to the oceans from the melting glaciers. The result is the slight sea level rise of 1-3mm per year, on average, that has been observed so far.

 

However, in a warming climate more evaporation takes place and more water vapor is created in the atmosphere. The water vapor forms into clouds and produces more rain. If all countries in the world that are susceptible to periodic flooding, which usually results in extensive damage to property, infrastructure, and loss of life, were to do whatever is required to contain that flooding, and delay that excessive flow of water back to the sea, then sea levels, globally, would stop rising. Plain logic.

 

In addition to the benefits of stopping sea level rise, communities would be safer from flood damage, lots of money would be saved because of a lack of damage to property and infrastructure when the heavy rains arrive, and the stored water could be transported to drier regions to help agriculture which could flourish as a result of both increased water supply and increased CO2 levels.

 

We should all know that increased CO2 levels cause most plants, which are the C3 type, to grow better. What is sometimes overlooked is that this increased growth, which is around 30% for a doubling of CO2 levels in normal conditions with adequate water supply, can be around 60% in dry or water-stressed conditions.

 

it's such a pity that governments don't have the practical nous to exploit the benefits of a warming climate and the increase in that wonderful gas called CO2, which is essential for all life.

[gunderhill]

On 2/8/2020 at 7:15 AM, bristolboy said:

Furthermore that graph comes from a paper that ties those changes in temperature to changes in the earth's orientation to the sun.

Which is  out of human control.

[pkspeaker]

15 hours ago, TheDark said:

Oh yeah! Don't trust scientist who have proven themself to be NASA and NOAA worthy to be hired to work there.

 

Instead trust a random guy's ranting on a youtube video!

 

That makes perfect sense. You must be a giant among the rest of us.

OK fine, then trust the un-named scientists at NASA & the NOAA-they are telling you that the rate of sea level rise is no more than 4mm, at the most it's 3.2mm a year but what that random guy was saying in the youtube video (who used to work at the NOAA btw, when he wasn't debugging the PowerPC) is that alot of these the tide guages are placed on concrete and steel structures and over time they will sink, sowhen 'scientists' with an agenda claim that the rate of sea level rise has increased from 2mm year to 4 they are actually just using a selection of tide guages and in they can also use data from satelite altimiters and recently they had scientific papers to adjust from that (one claimed that the sea floor was sinking)  the reality is there has been no change in the rate of sea level rise from the 1800's, it's about 2mm / year

 

1 mm is the width of a small ant, not even one of the big ants, and not the length of the ant, the width.. the ripple in a swimming pool w/o people in it is about 1cm... the daily tides are several feet every day or more if there are king tides and you people think there shoud be 'alarm' if sea level changes by a few mm a year..

Edited February 10, 2020 by pkspeaker

[sucit]

Being a conservative apparently makes you stupid. At least when it comes to this issue. 

[Crazy Alex]

4 hours ago, jcsmith said:

Warmer temperatures increase the amount of moisture in the air. That moisture leads to extreme weather events. Climate change is going to cause more extreme snowstorms, hurricanes, and floods. 

Yes, we keep hearing about all these horrible things climate change is "going to cause". We've had "ten years left" to do something for the past 14 years at the very least. We've had 50 years of silly, failed and bogus predictions:

 

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions

[Crazy Alex]

2 minutes ago, sucit said:

Being a conservative apparently makes you stupid. At least when it comes to this issue. 

Specifically, how so? You've made the accusation. Now back it up with some facts.

[rabas]

4 hours ago, jcsmith said:

Warmer temperatures increase the amount of moisture in the air. That moisture leads to extreme weather events. Climate change is going to cause more extreme snowstorms, hurricanes, and floods. 

All this rain is going to increase vegetation and form lakes and inland waterways lowering sea levels. Looking at half a picture is not scientific.

[sucit]

3 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Specifically, how so? You've made the accusation. Now back it up with some facts.

People like you will back my assertion up for me. 

[pkspeaker]

11 hours ago, Throatwobbler said:

The fact that you are using there has been snow therefore the world can't be getting warmer argument shows how clueless you are about all of this.

Things like more snow (when they said there would be no snow) and the fact that growing degree days in the US are dramatically down(that means cold) and the fact that it is still cold in the north of Thailand now and that even this morning I get up and there is nice cool air in bangkok on Feb 10 when it's usually very  very hot by now.. all of that matteres and take a real look at US temps:

 

a 'warming planet' is one thing, but a runaway greenhouse effect is another.. if there is really this super heating of the planet going on and after 40 years of them saying its happeneing..  this is the 'hot planet' we got?  with snowstorms covering most of the US in september this year?? There is no runaway greenhouse effect or rapid climate warming.  There is no rapid sea level rise and there is no massive ice loss

[IAMHERE]

On 2/8/2020 at 3:33 PM, IAMHERE said:

Tell me about global warming when the wine industry in Britain is back to the level the Romans had when they were there.

OH, it takes warm weather to produce grapes. There is that. ????

[pkspeaker]

4 hours ago, jcsmith said:

Warmer temperatures increase the amount of moisture in the air. That moisture leads to extreme weather events. Climate change is going to cause more extreme snowstorms, hurricanes, and floods. 

There isn't more extreme huricanes, the number of cat 4 & 5 is currently low, 20 years ago there were alot of hurricanes and previous to that not so much previous to that more.. the skeptic blogs already debunked the notion that there are currently more and more extreme huricanes..

 

LOL AND if the temps are WARM, then why is there SNOW?.. last i checked it had to be below 0 for snow to form.. sure more rain with warmer temps makes sense but more snow??  and the snow is reaching further south than it used to, Houston Texas, the Sahara desert, Taiwan, Vietnam all recently had most or first snow in the last 10 years

Edited February 10, 2020 by pkspeaker

[thaicurious]

59 minutes ago, sucit said:

Being a conservative apparently makes you stupid. At least when it comes to this issue. 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/256027578_Liberals_Think_More_Analytically_More_WEIRD_Than_Conservatives

In five studies with more than 3,000 participants, we found that liberals think more analytically...than moderates and conservatives

 

57 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions

From your cited source: "Thanks go to Tony Heller, who first collected many of these news clips and posted them,,,"

 

Oh, the discredited Tony Heller aka Steven Goddard. How nice.

 

Article authors Myron Ebell & Steven J. Milloy on this one. Let's see who they are:

 

https://scholarsandrogues.com/2017/02/28/steve-milloy-a-liar-for-hire-and-immoral-hypocrite-was-part-of-donalds-epa-transition-team/

Steve Milloy, a liar-for-hire and immoral hypocrite, was part of Donald’s EPA transition team...

 

Milloy has been manufacturing fear, uncertainty, and doubt for dirty industries since he helped the tobacco industries continue addicting and killing customers in the 1990s.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myron_Ebell

...an American climate change denier... not a scientist...

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Myron_Ebell

Ebell's Group CEI has received millions in fossil fuel funding: In 2013, the Washington Post revealed[11] Murray Energy, Marathon Petroleum, Devon Energy, Phillips 66, American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity and the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers sponsored an annual dinner benefiting CEI

[thaicurious]

1 hour ago, pkspeaker said:

There isn't more extreme huricanes, the number of cat 4 & 5 is currently low, 20 years ago there were alot of hurricanes and previous to that not so much previous to that more.. the skeptic blogs already debunked the notion that there are currently more and more extreme huricanes..

 

LOL AND if the temps are WARM, then why is there SNOW?.. last i checked it had to be below 0 for snow to form.. sure more rain with warmer temps makes sense but more snow??  and the snow is reaching further south than it used to, Houston Texas, the Sahara desert, Taiwan, Vietnam all recently had most or first snow in the last 10 years

 

https://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2019/07/how-climate-change-is-making-hurricanes-more-dangerous/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI1Jjz5IbG5wIVFHiGCh0iwArJEAAYASAAEgKegfD_BwE

Are hurricanes becoming more frequent?

 studies have consistently shown “no discernible trend in the global number of tropical cyclones.” In addition, authors of a 2013 study found no human-caused signal in annual global tropical cyclone or hurricane frequencies.

 

Are hurricanes getting stronger?

The authors of that same 2013 study found a substantial regional and global increase in the proportion of the strongest hurricanes – category 4 and 5 storms. The authors attribute that increase to global heating of the climate: “We conclude that since 1975 there has been a substantial and observable regional and global increase in the proportion of Cat 4-5 hurricanes of 25-30 percent per °C of anthropogenic (human-caused) global warming.”

 

Edited February 10, 2020 by thaicurious

[Scott]

Troll post removed.

 

[VocalNeal]

On 2/8/2020 at 7:04 AM, nausea said:

Manmade or natural, who cares, hopefully I'll be dead before this hits, pity you guys with kids, they're gonna feel the full force.

My parents came into this world just before WWII. That was a global catastrophe and they seemed to do OK.

[Catoni]

"Antarctic base records hottest temperature ever"... is eaily proven to be a deceptive lie. 

    The very first base established in Antarctic was established in 1898.  That's only 122 years ago.  

 

   Steady recording of temperatures only begain in the early 1900's.  Temperatures in Antarctica before then are not recorded.

 So their claims of "hottest ever..."  are just so much Global Warming/Climate Emergency Alarmism....

 

   So the word "...ever..." in this case means a bit over 100 years.    That's NOT "ever"...

   

 Of course it's also Summer time right now in the Southern Hemisphere... their warmest time of the year.. .while we have our cold winter in the Northern Hemisphere. 

 

    The station this claim is made about is about 230 miles north of the Antarctic Circle...... sticking out unto the currents of the surrounding moderating ocean temperatures.... 800 miles north of the bulk Antarctica mainland... and more than 1,800 miles north of the South Pole.  

 

   Here's the truth about Antarctica:     

 

    

 

Edited February 10, 2020 by Catoni
Addition.

[Peterw42]

12 minutes ago, Catoni said:

"Antarctic base records hottest temperature ever"... is eaily proven to be a deceptive lie. 

    The very first base established in Antarctic was established in 1898.  That's only 122 years ago.  

 

   Steady recording of temperatures only begain in the early 1900's.  Temperatures in Antarctica before then are not recorded.

 So their claims of "hottest ever..."  are just so much Global Warming/Climate Emergency Alarmism....

 

   So the word "...ever..." in this case means a bit over 100 years.    That's NOT "ever"...

   

 Of course it's also Summer time right now in the Southern Hemisphere... their warmest time of the year.. .while we have our cold winter in the Northern Hemisphere. 

 

    The station this claim is made about is about 230 miles north of the Antarctic Circle...... sticking out unto the currents of the surrounding moderating ocean temperatures.... 800 miles north of the bulk Antarctica mainland... and more than 1,800 miles north of the South Pole.  

 

   Here's the truth about Antarctica:     

 

    

 

The OP says hottest temp on record, its just the title thats wrong.

[Catoni]

4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

The OP says hottest temp on record, its just the title thats wrong.

  Define "record".    It can mean many things.  Written record, instrument record, modern industrial historical record, geological record, paleoclimatological record.... ad infinitum.....  

    By not defining the word....   they remain deceptive.....  And being deceptive is what they wish to remain. 

      

[pkspeaker]

1 hour ago, thaicurious said:

Are hurricanes getting stronger?

The authors of that same 2013 study found a substantial regional and global increase in the proportion of the strongest hurricanes – category 4 and 5 storms. The authors attribute that increase to global heating of the climate: “We conclude that since 1975 there has been a substantial and observable regional and global increase in the proportion of Cat 4-5 hurricanes of 25-30 percent per °C of anthropogenic (human-caused) global warming.”

wait wait wait... substantial regional and global increase in the proportion of the strongest hurricanes – category 4 and 5 storms.

 

Are there more cat 4 &5s or not? Why is it worded that way? .. below link (i'm giving you the MSM this time since you don't like Tony Hellers videos that contain unreliable things like the actual NOAA sea level data) it says that there are almost NO hurricanes.. and that's 'terrifying'! Which is it?  So hurricanes are worse and that's alarming, but there are actually no hurricanes and that's terrifying .. there has to be this perfect medium of hurricanes.. but in the 1800's and early 1900's there were times where there were many hurricanes and times when there were not and back then it was just the weather.. I personally remember around 2003 there were alot of hurricanes hitting florida, one after the other, and then came Katrina.. so what?  there were alot of hurricanes-the world didn't end.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/08/04/the-u-s-coast-is-in-an-unprecedented-hurricane-drought-why-this-is-terrifying/?noredirect=on

[Catoni]

On 2/7/2020 at 6:47 PM, Crazy Alex said:

Hottest temperature ever recorded. OK. How long have we been recording temperatures? About 200 years? How much of Earth's timeline is 200 years? 0.000004%.

 

Ergo, "hottest temperature ever recorded" isn't very impressive at all.

 

This is a good time to present some more rational information to rebut the hysteria climate change pimps are trying to sell:

 

 

As you can see, there have been at least three spikes in global temperatures in the last 350,000 years alone that went higher than the current spike, which has gone on for thousands of years. As you can also see, the last temperature spike, about 120,000 years ago, had a faster rise. Earth's temperatures went down all by themselves: no corporate welfare, no accumulation of power to government, no Elon Musk, no windmills, no human intervention whatsoever.

 

All in all, this latest "news" is just another yawn fest.

   They've been recording temperatures in part of Antarctica only since about 1900.  We just came out of the Little Ice Age about 1850.  

   Most people have little sense or knowledge of history. They don't teach history today like they used to sixty years ago and more.   You will find that the average high school graduate these days in the U.S., Canada and other western countries know little to nothing of the history of even their own country. In Canada you find many kids in their early teens do not even know the name of Canada's first Prime Minister. Don't know the names of the early explorers...  know nothing of Canada's involvment in World War I and II...  They certainly know nothing of the history of climate change on this planet. 

   When I was a kid... we learned about the history of the last four Glacial Periods that took place in North America and Europe in Grade Five or Six in Geography class.    They don't learn these things these days unless they take a specialty course in college or university.  Now they learn about humanistic socialism (but they don't call it that...they work it into other subjects) ... and native history and social justice and women's rights.      

People with little knowledge of history are easily deceived for politico-economic goals by the extreme right and extreme left. 

[KhunKenAP]

I was thinking of moving closer to Jomtien Beach, but I think I will wait until the water reaches me on Pattaya's Darkside. 

[Catoni]

On 2/7/2020 at 7:04 PM, nausea said:

Manmade or natural, who cares, hopefully I'll be dead before this hits, pity you guys with kids, they're gonna feel the full force.

  Full force of ...what exactly ?  A bit milder winter?    

 

     Lucky you didn't live during the Little Ice Age  (circa 1300 - 1858 with a few breaks).  The Black Plague...  other plagues....  easily spread from people spending more time indoors in close proximity to each other.. 

    Longer, colder more bitter winters... shorter growing seasons.. failed harvests... famine.  

  People who like it cooler should not live in the tropics. 

[Catoni]

On 2/8/2020 at 3:13 AM, natway09 said:

Thank you ,,, some of the contributions on here make interesting reading.

To me, a far greater threat to mankind looms & yes maybe linked. I have a great concern

about sustainable, long term potable water, as without mankind is doomed

    Potable water is no problem.  Saudi Arabia has huge de-salination plants along their coasts.  Riyadh is their capitol city of 7 million people 230 miles into the Arabian desert.   They pipe in water from desalination plants built on the east coast.  Three major piplines carry potable drinking water 230 miles or more from the east coast of the Arabian Peninsula.  80 % of Saudi Arabia gets it's drinking water from huge desalination plants.

   U.S. submarines and many submarines of other nations also get their drinking water from small onboard desalination plants. 

   Do you know where astronauts on the Space Station get their drinking water from ?