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6 hours ago, worgeordie said:

But they do ?,Mayor Pete,is a better choice than the old farts, 

but will him been gay have any effect,i am sure Trump would

have plenty to say about him.

regards worgeordie

Mayor Pete won't get the needed black vote. Having fired a black police chief for recording racist white cops talking racist <deleted> about him and then making the South Bend PD whiter than ever, blacks will not warm to him. Yes, being a racist like Mayor Pete will cost. We needn't worry much about what Trump will say, because Mayor Pete won't be the nominee.

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5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Sounds like a Bernie line. If he's nominated, that will be a non-issue. If Bernie is nominated expect 24/7 ads conflating him with Chavez/Maduro. The point is to beat 45. 45 is an existential threat to American democracy. This is not the time for purity tests!

I keep hearing Democrats say Trump is a threat to democracy. That seems odd, given it's Democrats who say Trump is an illegitimate president, didn't actually win and continue to fight to overturn the results of the 2016 election. Of course, it's extra silly as we watch Hillary Inc. rig the Iowa primary with this silly app of theirs.

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Remember McGovern who BTW was a very good man. 

Nominating Bernie would get a similar result. 

Democrats need to wake up. 

Don't commit political suicide. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bernie-sanders-poses-a-quandary-for-vulnerable-democrats/2020/02/07/e8a4fac8-491a-11ea-bdbf-1dfb23249293_story.html

 

 

Is Sanders an election-year disaster waiting to happen?

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2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Remember McGovern who BTW was a very good man. 

Nominating Bernie would get a similar result. 

Democrats need to wake up. 

Don't commit political suicide. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bernie-sanders-poses-a-quandary-for-vulnerable-democrats/2020/02/07/e8a4fac8-491a-11ea-bdbf-1dfb23249293_story.html

 

 

Is Sanders an election-year disaster waiting to happen?

Don't worry. The DNC made sure Bernie wasn't the nominee in 2016. They'll do it again this year. Oddly, it's the "Democrats" who hate democracy, don't even trust their own voters and rig elections to their leadership's liking. At least in this case, you agree with their meddling, yes?

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13 minutes ago, sucit said:

You say the most outlandish, backwards <deleted> you can possibly say. 

 

You say you want to beat Trump more than anyone, and you favor candidates who poll the worst against Trump. You do know BERNIE Polls the best against Trump, right?

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign-polls/480643-poll-sanders-best-challenge-to-trump-in-texas

 

Not to mention, a centrist just lost to Trump. Trump has a lot more leverage now. What on earth makes you think a centrist will beat him this time? 

 

I think it is you who needs to wake up if your goal of getting Trump out is true anyway. 

National popular vote polls mean nothing now. If you seriously think Americans are going to ever elect a socialist that honeymooned in Soviet era Russia well OK, I don't. 

 

HRC wasn't a generic political ideology. She had very specific baggage and she did indeed run a crappy campaign. 

 

But this is what democrats are struggling with now. You're convinced Bernie is the answer and I'm convinced he'd be a disaster. 

 

Yes the stakes couldn't be higher. 

 

I guess we're just going to have to see who is nominated and who is right. 

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15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

National popular vote polls mean nothing now. If you seriously think Americans are going to ever elect a socialist that honeymooned in Soviet era Russia well OK, I don't. 

 

HRC wasn't a generic political ideology. She had very specific baggage and she did indeed run a crappy campaign. 

 

But this is what democrats are struggling with now. You're convinced Bernie is the answer and I'm convinced he'd be a disaster. 

 

Yes the stakes couldn't be higher. 

 

I guess we're just going to have to see who is nominated and who is right. 

Why are national popular vote polls EVER relevant in a US presidential election?

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20 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

No. Please reread my post. I clearly stated Hillary Inc., which obviously isn't the same as saying Hillary the person. The app behind the Iowa catastrophe was developed by Hillary campaign veterans. That is FACT, not a conspiracy theory.

 

https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2020-02-04/clinton-campaign-vets-behind-2020-iowa-caucus-app-snafu

 

EDIT: Hillary Clinton is no longer at the center of anything. She is a twice-failed candidate for president who has been thrown off to the side and left blaming everyone for what a horrible, corrupt, inept, incompetent political hack.

Despite your ps/Edit attempt you as an avid supporter of Trump have repetitively used  reference to Hillary Clinton as some sort of populist comparative benchmark. Why? Is it somehow extraordinary that a politically aligned person with an interest in an organization that invests in a software application that initially presents with some issues is some sort of  political key to the current devolution of US  democracy?

Few would contradict you in that  Hillary Clinton is no longer a political contender but personal opinion can not  deny validity of her  or any other in pursuing investment related to personal political agenda of free choice as indeed  you demonstrate for yourself.

Those that object to Trump and  his demonstrated autocratic attitude do not do so purely on the basis of "beating" him but also consider candidates who offer a democratic agenda that not only  defeats him  but also repairs  the insidious damage he has and is likely to continue to inflict contrary to not only the  greater interests of the USA but to the rest of a  very shrunken world.

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20 minutes ago, sucit said:

He is the most popular senator alive. Your choice hands the white house to Trump. You are delusional. You are comparing Sanders to the Soviet Union? 

 

I will do you a favor. If you really are interested in ousting Trump, stop by Bernie's website and learn a few things. Republican talking points do not really count as "information". Or, you could just listen to what he has to say about the concerns you have about the US morphing into the Soviet Union lol. Where do you people come from? I mean seriously? 

Stop insulting me. 

You really don't get it. 

I'm not red baiting Bernie. 

I'm saying that the republicans will and that it will work. 

Also its a fact that Bernie identifies as a democratic socialist and to most Americans unfortunately that translates into just socialist or even communist. 

Also it happens to be a fact that Bernie did travel to Soviet era Russia for his honeymoon. 

That will not play well in the heartland. 

I have a similar background to Bernie. 

My mother went to a grade school where they sang the Internationale every day. 

Ever heard of red diaper babies? 

Just too far out of the mainstream to ever be elected president but yes he might be nominated. 

I wont bother with Bernie's website. My priority is beating 45. As far as  l'm concerned almost any American citizen would be a better president and human being than 45. Of the credible democratic candidates I think Bernie would have the poorest chance because he'd be red baited. Heck any of them are going to be red baited but in his case they can make it stick much easier for more people. 

Yes I know younger Americans are less socialism phobic than older ones. But guess what. They don't turn out in very impressive numbers. 

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9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Stop insulting me. 

You really don't get it. 

I'm not red baiting Bernie. 

I'm saying that the republicans will and that it will work. 

Also its a fact that Bernie identifies as a democratic socialist and to most Americans unfortunately that translates into just socialist or even communist. 

Also it happens to be a fact that Bernie did travel to Soviet era Russia for his honeymoon. 

That will not play well in the heartland. 

I have a similar background to Bernie. 

Ever heard of red diaper babies? 

Just too far out of the mainstream to ever be elected president but yes he might be nominated. 

I wont bother with Bernie's website. My priority is beating 45. As far as I l'm concerned almost any American citizen would be a better president and human being than 45. Of the credible democratic candidates I think Bernie would have the poorest chance because he'd be red baited. Heck any of them are going to be red baited but in his case they can make it stick much easier for more people. 

Yes I know younger Americans are less socialism phobic than older ones. But guess what. They don't turn out in very impressive numbers. 

You do realize you are not making arguments, right?

 

"Soviet Union" is not an argument. 

 

"Socialism" is not an argument. Our high schools are socialist. Our police are socialist. Your social security is... socialist. You are not going to beam into the Soviet Union if your healthcare turns socialist. 

 

I don't get it, but you do while you support a candidate who is getting 4% against Trump right now and I am supporting the one most favorable against Trump? You think getting 4% against Trump in a poll "means nothing", and I don't get it? 

 

You also need to answer for yourself, once again, why is a centrist going to win this time if a centrist lost last time? Answer that. Make an argument, because you have made none. "Socialism" and "Soviet Union" don't count. 

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