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36 minutes ago, tifino said:

yes but the original shown (non inconsistent) term, comes from a US Law documentation, as is 

at the bottom paragraph for emphasis

The problem with US dual citizenship is the battle between Federal courts and the state department. Unlike Thailand, US is established based on laws where Executive branch (State Department) cannot make any rules that violate laws passed by the Congress or a Federal court. In two prior cases, Federal court has ruled that citizenship cannot be revoked by State Department for dual citizens in any cases. State department does not like this and they need to mount legal challenge for each individual case. Unless the Congress passes a law specifying the exact reason, State Department is helpless. Mounting a legal challenge unless the case is a serious one is very expensive (to the tune of millions of dollars). The stand they have taken is US embassies won't provide any services unless the person enters a third country with US passport. In the case of terrorism, they have mounted legal challenges.

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I meant to 

1 hour ago, sanmyintmaung said:

The above quote can be simplified to get rid of the double negative : "Not inconsistent"

"Use of the foreign passport to travel to or from a country other than the United States is consistent with U.S. law"

I made a mistake in the post meant to say he was doing nothing wrong using a Foreign passport. Eventually he will be hassled by Thai immigration at BKK airports  for "coming too many times". The reason it does not say read "consistent with US law "is there is probably not a statute specifically allowing out. In a free society generally things are allowed unless specifically prohibited. In North Korea as an example it is the exact opposite, and in Thailand every day you can see illegal activities happening in the open because the law is what a man in a uniform says it is.  

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2 hours ago, murikamba said:

My question is how do I know if they have linked my passport or not?

When an IO asks you why you’re entering with two different passports and why you’re spending so much time in the country as a ‘toursit’.

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Unless you have two sets of fingerprints on top of having two nationalities, I think it's almost certain that they've linked your passports. That's not necessarily a problem, I'd guess, but you might get questioned about it some time. Unless and until that happens, your guess is as good as mine, they won't tell you.

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1 hour ago, 007 RED said:

When will you know if your passports are linked?   As has been indicated in post #18, when the Immigration Officer asks you "Why are you spending so much time in the kingdom as a 'tourist'?"

Great post. It seems the days are numbered. Time for EV. Which passport will be better for an EV, US or Korean? How do they handle dual passport for EV. Do they stamp on both passport.

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You should ask Thailand Elite. Maybe the application would be faster on the US passport.

I had it for 5 years once you have the PE visa you will be escorted to the fast track lanes and hardly ever grilled about your activities in Thailand,  The PE visa is just the main benefit of the program, if you want to work you can have them cancel the visa so you can get a B visa. I don't know if they will allow you to swap passports or why you need that? You can only enter Thailand on one passport at a time. I know Thai people who have US passports. If they want to they can enter Thailand on a US passport (no purpose I know) maybe if they want to be on the same passport as a family, then they would have to use the US passport to exit.

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I have four passports (US, Trinidad and Tobago, Anigua & Barbuda, and Spain). I used my Antigua and Barbuda passport for EV. Thai immigration does not know about my other passports because I have never used them to enter Thailand. It took them 7-week to get my EV. The girl I talked to said it takes a little longer if you don't have any history of entering Thailand which I did not have using any of my passports. I was not in a hurry to get it so it did not matter. I entered Singapore using A&B passport (visa exempt) and then stayed in Singapore for three weeks, Got a TV in Singapore using the same A&B passport and entered Thailand (no visa exemption for A&B passport holders) with two months permitted stay. Waited in Thailand for one month and got my EV in CW before permission to stay date expired.
 

As you have a Korean passport, you will get 90-visa exemption. I will think that is plenty of time to get an EV before your permission to stay expires. 

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Given the OP's stated brashly stated and unsavory reason for coming to Thailand, I'm not inclined to help him in any way. Still, one thing just needs to be fully snuffed out. 

On 2/9/2020 at 11:51 AM, tifino said:

I'd be more concerned to ascertain what risks you might face; in being able to keep you US Passport

. Even the last paragraph...

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/Advice-about-Possible-Loss-of-US-Nationality-Dual-Nationality/Dual-Nationality.html

 

it might come down to you being assessed, a good character assessment 

This is just reckless. Others have commented that there is probably no reason for concern. Let's just be 100% clear.

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a dual national traveling on their non-U.S. passport. Nada. Zilch. Zero. The only caveat to that the U.S. government insists that U.S. citizens use their U.S. passports when entering/exiting the United States. 

 

Uninformed musings about loss of nationality are not helpful. It is very, very hard to give up U.S. citizenship. For all intents and purposes, it's impossible to lose involuntarily. Short of formally renouncing citizenship in a U.S. embassy/consulate, which is part of a lengthy (and expensive) process, there are a few things that can be considered acts of intentionally relinquishing citizenship (e.g., taking an oath of loyalty to another country with the intent of abandoning your U.S. citizenship). But today, even those acts alone are considered insufficient--you have formally notify the U.S. government of those acts. In an amazing coincidence, the cost of properly informing the government of your "relinquishment" is identical to the cost of "renunciation." 

 

The courts set a pretty high bar for giving up citizenship, and for good reason. International laws with regard to statelessness, etc., and America's legacy of discrimination are tangled up in this. Simply breaking a law is not enough. Theoretically, the rules could change, and certain defined acts of relinquishment could automatically trigger a loss of nationality without a separate process.

 

But guess what is not, and never will be, on that list of acts of relinquishment: using a Korean passport to enter Thailand.

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On 2/9/2020 at 12:29 PM, murikamba said:

I am not worried about anything unlike farangs who are worried about trivial thing like TM30. If they link it, are they going to tell me or not?

I travel to west Africa on an Australian passport yearly. Other countries such as CIS, Russia etc I use a UK passport. An issue with Australian government is anyone who has travelled to West Africa as well as other African countries must report it to immigration for a special meeting; maybe Ebola issues. I though my new Australian passport has a  holograph photo in it I will scan at the smart machines and by pass manual immigration, how would they know.

My Australian colleague is also located in west Africa  is head of security of 4 mines and has spent all his life in " global security work" . He shows me an app on his PC that is a global database that has every persons travel listed once you enter details. So we put my Aussie passport number in, OMG it listed places I forgotten I had visited plus it showed details of my UK passport and travel. That's all I am going to say , have a happy trip and pray no smart ##s immigration person does a thorough check on your arrival.

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On February 9, 2020 at 12:24 PM, murikamba said:

How many US citizens entering Thailand wiht US passport avail embassy services in Thailand?

Fewer services offered to which one can (successfully) avail oneself since they killed off the income letter & ended consular visits to some locations and some services that are available cost extortionate amounts for the two or three minutes it takes them to stamp a piece of paper.

 

No need for brown envelopes, they charge you the tea money over the counter and it goes to partially pay their generous salaries and allowances.

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Won’t the fingerprint scans make this a non long term activity ? That’s how they’ve caught people that leave (or are deported) and then try and reenter on a second ( or even false passport).

Don't think Thai immigration would look favorably on this plan. Just my view.

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On 2/9/2020 at 11:22 AM, 007 RED said:

OP…. Do a simple test for yourself.  Open your 2 passports at the photo page, then look at the bottom of the pages at the information typed between <<<< >>>> and see how long it takes you to spot the difference.

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When will you know if your passports are linked?   As has been indicated in post #18, when the Immigration Officer asks you "Why are you spending so much time in the kingdom as a 'tourist'?"

You know all this for fact? You have information from reliable sources that thai authorities do use the available technology as you describe to link multiple passports?

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If the immigration do a search in their system they can find you easy. If they put your name, surname & birthdate in the system they get a list with all matches with photo. 

B I N G O ! ! !

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