Laughing Gravy Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, RuamRudy said: What is it about reunification that the Irish economy couldn't handle? Is Northern Ireland significantly behind the South in terms of development, infrastructure etc? Firstly NI would not accept the euro so that is blown out the water. Secondly Ireland and its economy are struggling and if the UK leaves without a favourable deal it will be in recession for years so no way there will be reunification. Less 12 hours ago, RuamRudy said: Lord Ashcroft's poll, from September, indicates that there is majority support in the North for reunification Less than 1600 people polled. Come on RR I would have thought even you would not see that as conclusive evidence. They could have polled a Sinn Fein council estate and got those figures. Read it and you will see what he thinks how NI would vote. https://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Lord-Ashcroft-Polls-Northern-Ireland-Poll-Summary-September-2019.pdf 12 hours ago, RuamRudy said: Should we really let loyalist terrorists stand in the way of democracy? Hardly the British thing to do, is it? Or the IRA terrorists. Not all DUP members are terrorist or are you labeling them that way. Again my opinion is NI will definitely not support unification and many of my Ireland friends and family don't want NI as it is just to much of a risk with trouble for a nationalists ideology. Edited February 12, 2020 by Laughing Gravy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: Firstly NI would not accept the euro so that is blown out the water. Secondly Ireland and its economy are struggling and if the UK leaves without a favourable deal it will be in recession for years so no way there will be reunification. https://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Lord-Ashcroft-Polls-Northern-Ireland-Poll-Summary-September-2019.pdf Less Less than 1600 people polled. Come on RR I would have thought even you would not see that as conclusive evidence. They could have polled a Sinn Fein council estate and got those figures. Read it and you will see what he thinks how NI would vote. https://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Lord-Ashcroft-Polls-Northern-Ireland-Poll-Summary-September-2019.pdf Or the IRA terrorists. Not all DUP members are terrorist or are you labeling them that way. Again my opinion is NI will definitely support unification and many of my Ireland friends and family don't want NI as it is just to much of a risk with trouble for a nationalists ideology. dunno, but if NI definitely supports merge, my gut feeling is that your family is fighting a losing game.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adammike Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: Firstly NI would not accept the euro so that is blown out the water. Secondly Ireland and its economy are struggling and if the UK leaves without a favourable deal it will be in recession for years so no way there will be reunification. Less Less than 1600 people polled. Come on RR I would have thought even you would not see that as conclusive evidence. They could have polled a Sinn Fein council estate and got those figures. Read it and you will see what he thinks how NI would vote. https://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Lord-Ashcroft-Polls-Northern-Ireland-Poll-Summary-September-2019.pdf Or the IRA terrorists. Not all DUP members are terrorist or are you labeling them that way. Again my opinion is NI will definitely not support unification and many of my Ireland friends and family don't want NI as it is just to much of a risk with trouble for a nationalists ideology. It's the demographics that will decide it and very soon there will be a majority of Catholics in NI and that may change everything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsuirtain Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 On 2/10/2020 at 12:04 AM, Laughing Gravy said: I am awaiting all those anti brexit posters supporting Sinn Fein. Lets remember who these are. This party supported terrorist attacks on innocent civilians, including women and children. They are a nationalist party on the far right. If you want to compare them with a party in the UK I would put them on the spectrum of Britain First, only probably further, as they have close links with murderers. Clearly clueless. Sinn Fein are far left, not far right and nothing like Britian First - who have clocked up murders fairly recently 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post macsuirtain Posted February 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2020 On 2/10/2020 at 1:30 AM, Somtamnication said: Always a believer on an eye for an eye. Get rid of the exact numbers of SF that SF and their cohorts killed innocent civilians during "the troubles" and I will support it. The best part is that Sinn Fein don't need your support. They could not care less what you choose to support or not. The people of Ireland, on the other hand, have chosen them 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsuirtain Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 On 2/10/2020 at 7:25 AM, Laughing Gravy said: Democracy you Dutch wouldn't know it if it bites you on the bottom. Laugh and clap about that. Again I not against Sinn Fein winning but your ignorance of who they were and are is astounding as your constant anti UK rhetoric. https://euroculturer.eu/2016/12/05/the-ignored-revolution-the-dutch-referendum-crisis/ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-ignore-lisbon-treaty-nice-treaty-ireland-greece-france-netherlands-a7105261.html There is more chance of Germany invading Holland again then Ireland unified. Obviously you are way out of touch with loyalists in Northern Ireland.. "Who they were" Past tense. Upon your own admission they are no longer what you believe they are. Did you have any issue with the party that was in power in Ireland for the last 9 years? Maybe you should look up who they were also. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post macsuirtain Posted February 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2020 On 2/11/2020 at 9:40 AM, Laughing Gravy said: So lets look at the one link and statement you threw out there. Sinn Fein the party that supports the IRA and their terrorists activities. It was the only party in the recent election that promoted a referendum for a unified Ireland in 2025. 25% of the population voted for Sinn Fein. The survey your link mentions could have been done on a IRA council estate. I wouldn't get too excited yet. Plus the big factor when you have two parts that need reuniting, both have to agree. You have more chance of Northern Ireland agreeing to that than Ireland joining the commonwealth. IMO that is. IPSOS Exit polls were conducted on voters on election day. Over 60% indicated, with certainty, they would vote for a United Ireland in a referendum. IPSOS polls are accurate to a margin of 2%. Notably, Northern Ireland has for the first time in history, now elected more nationalist party members to government in the most recent election. The majority appears to be north and south. In 5 years time, when the NI farmers need their Agricultural subsidies from the EU and when the UK economy hits rock bottom, the NI people, unionists included, will be looking at the booming economy down south, where the average salary is almost triple, job opportunities a plenty, and all of the perks of being within the EU, we will have an easy decision that will lead to a United Ireland. I mean, Northern Ireland is even joining the same timezone as the Ireland & EU, whilst the UK will not be! One step at a time! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 43 minutes ago, macsuirtain said: Clearly clueless. Sinn Fein are far left, not far right and nothing like Britian First - who have clocked up murders fairly recently no use trying to convince soldiers, they have their marching orders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 42 minutes ago, macsuirtain said: Clearly clueless. Sinn Fein are far left, not far right and nothing like Britian First - who have clocked up murders fairly recently Another new poster joining the ranks of TV. How conspicuous. What us to be your last TV name. If you look up nationalists which Sinn Fein clearly are and have deep rooted links to terrorists like the IRA, you will see they are a far right political wing as I quoted with the newspaper link which there are countless more. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 34 minutes ago, macsuirtain said: "Who they were" Past tense. Upon your own admission they are no longer what you believe they are. Did you have any issue with the party that was in power in Ireland for the last 9 years? Maybe you should look up who they were also. Obviously you are either making up wide assumptions or English isn't your first language. Did I state exactly what exactly I meant with "who they were". Did it mean everything that i believed? Obviously you and your crystal ball you know or are you just speculating. I am no fan of Leo and I am happy that he got what he deserved shouting his mouth off and believed he was the big man. The clown just didn't realise he was being played like a fiddle for the EU. So stop trying to assume with bold and ambiguous statements with this below as i never said that you did. Past tense. Upon your own admission they are no longer what you believe they are 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bristolboy Posted February 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: Another new poster joining the ranks of TV. How conspicuous. What us to be your last TV name. If you look up nationalists which Sinn Fein clearly are and have deep rooted links to terrorists like the IRA, you will see they are a far right political wing as I quoted with the newspaper link which there are countless more. Well, if you redefine "far right" to mean a party that "aligns itself with the European United Left–Nordic Green Left (GUE/NGL) parliamentary group. The party pledges support for minority rights, migrants' rights, and eradicating poverty." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinn_Féin you have a point. Otherwise, not so much 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, melvinmelvin said: dunno, but if NI definitely supports merge, my gut feeling is that your family is fighting a losing game.... My gut feeling is that you obviously have no idea of what loyalist feel in NI and that you really need to look at the accuracy of surveys with participants of less than 1600. Some are frothing at the mouth here but there is far less chance that NI would want to rejoin Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Seems the same guys who were experts on Scotland last week are experts on Ireland this week. All convinced the UK will never break up even though its what they voted for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: My gut feeling is that you obviously have no idea of what loyalist feel in NI and that you really need to look at the accuracy of surveys with participants of less than 1600. Some are frothing at the mouth here but there is far less chance that NI would want to rejoin Ireland. It doesn't take a gut feeling to see that it's time for you to renew your acquaintance with Northern Ireland. Despite the Tories' huge parliamentary victory in the 2019 elections, how did it fare in NI? Let me give you a hint: The 2019 United Kingdom general election was held on 12 December 2019 to elect all 650 members of the House of Commons, including 18 seats in Northern Ireland... For the first time in history, traditional Irish nationalist parties won more seats than traditional unionist parties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election_in_Northern_Ireland 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: My gut feeling is that you obviously have no idea of what loyalist feel in NI and that you really need to look at the accuracy of surveys with participants of less than 1600. Some are frothing at the mouth here but there is far less chance that NI would want to rejoin Ireland. So polls by Lord Ashcoft show a majority in favour of a united Ireland but your "gut feeling" is a more reliable method of gauging the mood? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieBob18 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 On 2/10/2020 at 10:04 AM, Laughing Gravy said: I am awaiting all those anti brexit posters supporting Sinn Fein. Lets remember who these are. This party supported terrorist attacks on innocent civilians, including women and children. They are a nationalist party on the far right. If you want to compare them with a party in the UK I would put them on the spectrum of Britain First, only probably further, as they have close links with murderers. What a load of rubbish. They are a violent left wing group like the National Socialist German Workers' Party that was nicknamed NAZIs after the word Nationalsozialist (based on earlier German sozi, popular abbreviation of "socialist"). Your cognitive bias that associates only right wing groups as violent is ignorant - but that is what you have been told is true by the liveral lewft wing schooling and media - fake news - fake lies - rewriting history is a common outcome of cognitive bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: So polls by Lord Ashcoft show a majority in favour of a united Ireland but your "gut feeling" is a more reliable method of gauging the mood? A polite way of saying the blind leading the blind perhaps? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said: What a load of rubbish. They are a violent left wing group like the National Socialist German Workers' Party that was nicknamed NAZIs after the word Nationalsozialist (based on earlier German sozi, popular abbreviation of "socialist"). Your cognitive bias that associates only right wing groups as violent is ignorant - but that is what you have been told is true by the liveral lewft wing schooling and media - fake news - fake lies - rewriting history is a common outcome of cognitive bias. The likud Party in Israel also has a past history of violence. By your criteria, I guess that makes Benjamin Netanyahu a terrorist, too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 43 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: My gut feeling is that you obviously have no idea of what loyalist feel in NI and that you really need to look at the accuracy of surveys with participants of less than 1600. Some are frothing at the mouth here but there is far less chance that NI would want to rejoin Ireland. you just quipped as follows: " Again my opinion is NI will definitely support unification and many of my Ireland friends and family don't want NI as it is just to much of a risk with trouble for a nationalists ideology. " that was evening - now its morning - guess the stance and view of the world has changed daylight is frightening 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, bristolboy said: The likud Party in Israel also has a past history of violence. By your criteria, I guess that makes Benjamin Netanyahu a terrorist, too. what is right or wrong I don't know but I am confident that many would share the view that Benj. Neta. is a terrorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said: What a load of rubbish. They are a violent left wing group like the National Socialist German Workers' Party that was nicknamed NAZIs after the word Nationalsozialist (based on earlier German sozi, popular abbreviation of "socialist"). Your cognitive bias that associates only right wing groups as violent is ignorant - but that is what you have been told is true by the liveral lewft wing schooling and media - fake news - fake lies - rewriting history is a common outcome of cognitive bias. Well thanks for your rant. I guess in true Aussie style. So where have I shown this "Your cognitive bias that associates only right wing groups as violent is ignorant" Or have you been reading to many academic papers. I look forward to seeing your reply on this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said: you just quipped as follows: " Again my opinion is NI will definitely support unification and many of my Ireland friends and family don't want NI as it is just to much of a risk with trouble for a nationalists ideology. " that was evening - now its morning - guess the stance and view of the world has changed daylight is frightening Yes it should have said not support unification. I had internet issues before I could change that but I guess you jumped on that like a rat up a drain pipe. So to confirm again. Again my opinion is NI will definitely NOT support unification. Just so there is no confusion and some posters start thinking they are confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieBob18 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: Well thanks for your rant. I guess in true Aussie style. So where have I shown this "Your cognitive bias that associates only right wing groups as violent is ignorant" Or have you been reading to many academic papers. I look forward to seeing your reply on this matter. Lets remember who these are. This party supported terrorist attacks on innocent civilians, including women and children. They are a nationalist party on the far right. If you want to compare them with a party in the UK I would put them on the spectrum of Britain First, only probably further, as they have close links with murderers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said: Lets remember who these are. This party supported terrorist attacks on innocent civilians, including women and children. They are a nationalist party on the far right. If you want to compare them with a party in the UK I would put them on the spectrum of Britain First, only probably further, as they have close links with murderers. They are not a nationalist party in the way the UKIP or other right wing nationalist parties are. They are very inclusive of people of different ethnicities amongst other things. Are you even familiar with their party platform or how the voted in the EP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 On 2/10/2020 at 8:30 AM, Somtamnication said: Always a believer on an eye for an eye. Get rid of the exact numbers of SF that SF and their cohorts killed innocent civilians during "the troubles" and I will support it. I can just about hear that loud, stentorious claim that all the Protestant victims were "innosunt cuvulyuns" coming from the maw of the Rev. Ian Paisley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said: Lets remember who these are. This party supported terrorist attacks on innocent civilians, including women and children. Yes a quantifiable fact. Are you denying that. No cognitive bias there at all. 33 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said: They are a nationalist party Another fact. It is easy for people to one time all parties that are nationalistic on the far right but SInn Fein are on the left. Read the link I put in it. The writer stated they were far right. Edited February 13, 2020 by Laughing Gravy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieBob18 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: Yes a quantifiable fact. Are you denying that. No cognitive bias there at all. Another fact. It is easy for people to one time all parties that are nationalistic on the far right but SInn Fein are on the left. Read the link I put in it. The writer stated they were far right. I would put them on the spectrum of Britain First, only probably further, as they have close links with murderers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said: I would put them on the spectrum of Britain First, only probably further, as they have close links with murderers. You might actually acquaint yourself with the facts about the Sinn Fein party. They are not at all about ethnicity and discriminatory nationalism. In fact, the opposite is the case. Their politics are quite leftist in that regard as they are in many areas. "Sinn Féin is a democratic socialist and left-wing party. In the European Parliament, the party aligns itself with the European United Left–Nordic Green Left (GUE/NGL) parliamentary group. The party pledges support for minority rights, migrants' rights, and eradicating poverty." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinn_Féin Or are you asserting that Britain First supports minority rights, migrants' rights and eradicating poverty? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said: My gut feeling is that you obviously have no idea of what loyalist feel in NI and that you really need to look at the accuracy of surveys with participants of less than 1600. Some are frothing at the mouth here but there is far less chance that NI would want to rejoin Ireland. You need to learn a bit about statistical polling methods, LG. If executed correctly, a poll of 1600 people could tell you what the entire US was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 41 minutes ago, bristolboy said: You might actually acquaint yourself with the facts about the Sinn Fein party. They are not at all about ethnicity and discriminatory nationalism. In fact, the opposite is the case. Their politics are quite leftist in that regard as they are in many areas. "Sinn Féin is a democratic socialist and left-wing party. In the European Parliament, the party aligns itself with the European United Left–Nordic Green Left (GUE/NGL) parliamentary group. The party pledges support for minority rights, migrants' rights, and eradicating poverty." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinn_Féin Or are you asserting that Britain First supports minority rights, migrants' rights and eradicating poverty? Basically Bernie Sanders with a well stocked armoury. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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