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12 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

What is it about reunification that the Irish economy couldn't handle? Is Northern Ireland significantly behind the South in terms of development, infrastructure etc? 

Firstly NI would not accept the euro so that is blown out the water.

 

Secondly Ireland and its economy are struggling and if the UK leaves without a favourable deal it will be in recession for years so no way there will be reunification.

 

 

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12 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Lord Ashcroft's poll, from September, indicates that there is majority support in the North for reunification

Less than 1600 people polled. Come on RR I would have thought even you would not see that as conclusive evidence. They could have polled a Sinn Fein council estate and got those figures.

 

Read it and you will see what he thinks how NI would vote.

 

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Lord-Ashcroft-Polls-Northern-Ireland-Poll-Summary-September-2019.pdf

 

 

12 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Should we really let loyalist terrorists stand in the way of democracy? Hardly the British thing to do, is it? 

Or the IRA terrorists. Not all DUP members are terrorist or are you labeling them that way.

 

Again my opinion is NI will definitely not support unification and many of my Ireland friends and family don't want NI as it is just to much of a risk with trouble for a nationalists ideology.

 

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7 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Firstly NI would not accept the euro so that is blown out the water.

Secondly Ireland and its economy are struggling and if the UK leaves without a favourable deal it will be in recession for years so no way there will be reunification.

 

 

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Lord-Ashcroft-Polls-Northern-Ireland-Poll-Summary-September-2019.pdf

 

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Less than 1600 people polled. Come on RR I would have thought even you would not see that as conclusive evidence. They could have polled a Sinn Fein council estate and got those figures.

 

Read it and you will see what he thinks how NI would vote.

 

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Lord-Ashcroft-Polls-Northern-Ireland-Poll-Summary-September-2019.pdf

 

 

Or the IRA terrorists. Not all DUP members are terrorist or are you labeling them that way.

 

Again my opinion is NI will definitely support unification and many of my Ireland friends and family don't want NI as it is just to much of a risk with trouble for a nationalists ideology.

 

 

dunno,

but if NI definitely supports merge,

my gut feeling is that your family is fighting a losing game....

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11 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Firstly NI would not accept the euro so that is blown out the water.

 

Secondly Ireland and its economy are struggling and if the UK leaves without a favourable deal it will be in recession for years so no way there will be reunification.

 

 

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Less than 1600 people polled. Come on RR I would have thought even you would not see that as conclusive evidence. They could have polled a Sinn Fein council estate and got those figures.

 

Read it and you will see what he thinks how NI would vote.

 

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Lord-Ashcroft-Polls-Northern-Ireland-Poll-Summary-September-2019.pdf

 

 

Or the IRA terrorists. Not all DUP members are terrorist or are you labeling them that way.

 

Again my opinion is NI will definitely not support unification and many of my Ireland friends and family don't want NI as it is just to much of a risk with trouble for a nationalists ideology.

 

It's the demographics that will decide it and very soon there will be a majority of Catholics in NI and that may change everything.

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On 2/10/2020 at 12:04 AM, Laughing Gravy said:

I am awaiting all those anti brexit posters supporting Sinn Fein. Lets remember who these are. This party supported terrorist attacks on innocent civilians, including women and children.

 

They are a nationalist party on the far right. If you want to compare them with a party in the UK I would put them on the spectrum of Britain First, only probably further, as they have close links with murderers.

Clearly clueless. 

 

Sinn Fein are far left, not far right and nothing like Britian First - who have clocked up murders fairly recently

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On 2/10/2020 at 7:25 AM, Laughing Gravy said:

Democracy you Dutch wouldn't know it if it bites you on the bottom. Laugh and clap about that. Again I not against Sinn Fein winning but your ignorance of who they were and are is astounding as your constant anti UK rhetoric.

 

https://euroculturer.eu/2016/12/05/the-ignored-revolution-the-dutch-referendum-crisis/

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-ignore-lisbon-treaty-nice-treaty-ireland-greece-france-netherlands-a7105261.html

 

There is more chance of Germany invading Holland again then Ireland unified. Obviously you are way out of touch with loyalists in Northern Ireland..

 

 

 

"Who they were"

Past tense. Upon your own admission they are no longer what you believe they are. Did you have any issue with the party that was in power in Ireland for the last 9 years? Maybe you should look up who they were also. 

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43 minutes ago, macsuirtain said:

Clearly clueless. 

 

Sinn Fein are far left, not far right and nothing like Britian First - who have clocked up murders fairly recently

 

no use trying to convince soldiers, they have their marching orders

 

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42 minutes ago, macsuirtain said:

Clearly clueless. 

 

Sinn Fein are far left, not far right and nothing like Britian First - who have clocked up murders fairly recently

Another new poster joining the ranks of TV. How conspicuous. What us to be your last TV name.

 

If you look up nationalists which Sinn Fein clearly are and have deep rooted links to terrorists like the IRA, you will see they are a far right political wing as I quoted with the newspaper link which there are countless more.

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34 minutes ago, macsuirtain said:

"Who they were"

Past tense. Upon your own admission they are no longer what you believe they are. Did you have any issue with the party that was in power in Ireland for the last 9 years? Maybe you should look up who they were also. 

Obviously you are either making up wide assumptions or English isn't your first language.

 

Did I state exactly what exactly I meant with "who they were". Did it mean everything that i believed?

 

Obviously you and your crystal ball you know or are you just speculating.

 

I am no fan of Leo and I am happy that he got what he deserved shouting his mouth off and believed he was the big man. The clown just didn't realise he was being played like a fiddle for the EU.

 

So stop trying to assume with bold and ambiguous statements with this below as i never said that you did.

Past tense. Upon your own admission they are no longer what you believe they are

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2 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

dunno,

but if NI definitely supports merge,

my gut feeling is that your family is fighting a losing game....

My gut feeling is that you obviously have no idea of what loyalist feel in NI and that you really need to look at the accuracy of surveys with participants of less than 1600.

 

Some are frothing at the mouth here but there is far less chance that NI would want to rejoin Ireland.

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10 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

My gut feeling is that you obviously have no idea of what loyalist feel in NI and that you really need to look at the accuracy of surveys with participants of less than 1600.

 

Some are frothing at the mouth here but there is far less chance that NI would want to rejoin Ireland.

It doesn't take a gut feeling to see that it's time for you to renew your acquaintance with Northern Ireland. Despite the Tories' huge parliamentary victory in the 2019 elections, how did it fare in NI? Let me give you a hint:

The 2019 United Kingdom general election was held on 12 December 2019 to elect all 650 members of the House of Commons, including 18 seats in Northern Ireland... For the first time in history, traditional Irish nationalist parties won more seats than traditional unionist parties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election_in_Northern_Ireland

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20 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

My gut feeling is that you obviously have no idea of what loyalist feel in NI and that you really need to look at the accuracy of surveys with participants of less than 1600.

 

Some are frothing at the mouth here but there is far less chance that NI would want to rejoin Ireland.

So polls by Lord Ashcoft show a majority in favour of a united Ireland but your "gut feeling" is a more reliable method of gauging the mood?

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On 2/10/2020 at 10:04 AM, Laughing Gravy said:

I am awaiting all those anti brexit posters supporting Sinn Fein. Lets remember who these are. This party supported terrorist attacks on innocent civilians, including women and children.

 

They are a nationalist party on the far right. If you want to compare them with a party in the UK I would put them on the spectrum of Britain First, only probably further, as they have close links with murderers.

What a load of rubbish.  They are a violent left wing group like the National Socialist German Workers' Party that was nicknamed NAZIs after the word Nationalsozialist (based on earlier German sozi, popular abbreviation of "socialist").

Your cognitive bias that associates only right wing groups as violent is ignorant - but that is what you have been told is true by the liveral lewft wing schooling and media - fake news - fake lies - rewriting history is a common outcome of cognitive bias. 

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19 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

So polls by Lord Ashcoft show a majority in favour of a united Ireland but your "gut feeling" is a more reliable method of gauging the mood?

A polite way of saying the blind leading the blind perhaps?

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3 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

What a load of rubbish.  They are a violent left wing group like the National Socialist German Workers' Party that was nicknamed NAZIs after the word Nationalsozialist (based on earlier German sozi, popular abbreviation of "socialist").

Your cognitive bias that associates only right wing groups as violent is ignorant - but that is what you have been told is true by the liveral lewft wing schooling and media - fake news - fake lies - rewriting history is a common outcome of cognitive bias. 

The likud Party in Israel also has a past history of violence. By your criteria, I guess that makes Benjamin Netanyahu a terrorist, too.

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43 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

My gut feeling is that you obviously have no idea of what loyalist feel in NI and that you really need to look at the accuracy of surveys with participants of less than 1600.

 

Some are frothing at the mouth here but there is far less chance that NI would want to rejoin Ireland.

 

you just quipped as follows:

" Again my opinion is NI will definitely support unification and many of my Ireland friends and family don't want NI as it is just to much of a risk with trouble for a nationalists ideology. "

 

that was evening - now its morning - guess the stance and view of the world has changed

daylight is frightening

 

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4 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

The likud Party in Israel also has a past history of violence. By your criteria, I guess that makes Benjamin Netanyahu a terrorist, too.

what is right or wrong I don't know

but I am confident that many would share the view that Benj. Neta. is a terrorist.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

What a load of rubbish.  They are a violent left wing group like the National Socialist German Workers' Party that was nicknamed NAZIs after the word Nationalsozialist (based on earlier German sozi, popular abbreviation of "socialist").

Your cognitive bias that associates only right wing groups as violent is ignorant - but that is what you have been told is true by the liveral lewft wing schooling and media - fake news - fake lies - rewriting history is a common outcome of cognitive bias. 

Well thanks for your rant. I guess in true Aussie style. So where have I shown this "Your cognitive bias that associates only right wing groups as violent is ignorant"

Or have you been reading to many academic papers.

I look forward to seeing your reply on this matter.

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5 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

you just quipped as follows:

" Again my opinion is NI will definitely support unification and many of my Ireland friends and family don't want NI as it is just to much of a risk with trouble for a nationalists ideology. "

 

that was evening - now its morning - guess the stance and view of the world has changed

daylight is frightening

 

Yes it should have said not support unification. I had internet issues before I could change that but I guess you jumped on that like a rat up a drain pipe. So to confirm again.

Again my opinion is NI will definitely NOT support unification.

 

Just so there is no confusion and some posters start thinking they are confused.

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9 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Well thanks for your rant. I guess in true Aussie style. So where have I shown this "Your cognitive bias that associates only right wing groups as violent is ignorant"

Or have you been reading to many academic papers.

I look forward to seeing your reply on this matter.

Lets remember who these are. This party supported terrorist attacks on innocent civilians, including women and children.

They are a nationalist party on the far right. If you want to compare them with a party in the UK I would put them on the spectrum of Britain First, only probably further, as they have close links with murderers.

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10 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

Lets remember who these are. This party supported terrorist attacks on innocent civilians, including women and children.

They are a nationalist party on the far right. If you want to compare them with a party in the UK I would put them on the spectrum of Britain First, only probably further, as they have close links with murderers.

They are not a nationalist party in the way the UKIP or other right wing nationalist parties are. They are very inclusive of people of different ethnicities amongst other things. Are you even familiar with their party platform or how the voted in the EP?

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On 2/10/2020 at 8:30 AM, Somtamnication said:

Always a believer on an eye for an eye. Get rid of the exact numbers of SF that SF and their cohorts killed innocent civilians during "the troubles" and I will support it.

I can just about hear that loud, stentorious claim that all the Protestant victims were "innosunt cuvulyuns" coming from the maw of the Rev. Ian Paisley.

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33 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

Lets remember who these are. This party supported terrorist attacks on innocent civilians, including women and children.

Yes a quantifiable fact. Are you denying that. No cognitive bias there at all.

 

33 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

They are a nationalist party

Another fact. It is easy for people to one time all parties that are nationalistic on the far right but SInn Fein are on the left. Read the link I put in it. The writer stated they were far right.

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14 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Yes a quantifiable fact. Are you denying that. No cognitive bias there at all.

 

Another fact. It is easy for people to one time all parties that are nationalistic on the far right but SInn Fein are on the left. Read the link I put in it. The writer stated they were far right.

 I would put them on the spectrum of Britain First, only probably further, as they have close links with murderers.

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4 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

 I would put them on the spectrum of Britain First, only probably further, as they have close links with murderers.

You might actually acquaint yourself with the facts about the Sinn Fein party. They are not at all about ethnicity and discriminatory nationalism. In fact, the opposite is the case. Their politics are quite leftist in that regard as they are in many areas.

"Sinn Féin is a democratic socialist and left-wing party. In the European Parliament, the party aligns itself with the European United Left–Nordic Green Left (GUE/NGL) parliamentary group. The party pledges support for minority rights, migrants' rights, and eradicating poverty."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinn_Féin

Or are you asserting that Britain First supports minority rights, migrants' rights and eradicating poverty?

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2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

My gut feeling is that you obviously have no idea of what loyalist feel in NI and that you really need to look at the accuracy of surveys with participants of less than 1600.

 

Some are frothing at the mouth here but there is far less chance that NI would want to rejoin Ireland.

You need to learn a bit about statistical polling methods, LG. If executed correctly, a poll of 1600 people could tell you what the entire US was thinking. 

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41 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

You might actually acquaint yourself with the facts about the Sinn Fein party. They are not at all about ethnicity and discriminatory nationalism. In fact, the opposite is the case. Their politics are quite leftist in that regard as they are in many areas.

"Sinn Féin is a democratic socialist and left-wing party. In the European Parliament, the party aligns itself with the European United Left–Nordic Green Left (GUE/NGL) parliamentary group. The party pledges support for minority rights, migrants' rights, and eradicating poverty."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinn_Féin

Or are you asserting that Britain First supports minority rights, migrants' rights and eradicating poverty?

Basically Bernie Sanders with a well stocked armoury.

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