Security at armouries and sentry posts revamped after Korat mass shooting

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Security at armouries and sentry posts revamped after Korat mass shooting

 

 

The army has ordered a tightening of security at all sentry posts and armouries across the country after lax security at an army camp in Nakhon Ratchasima was blamed for allowing a trooper to steal firearms and ammunition from the camp, which were then used in a shooting rampage in the north-eastern province during the weekend.

 

The emergency order was issued by Army Commander-in-Chief General Apirat Kongsompong in the aftermath of the mass shooting, which left 30 people dead, including the gunman, Sgt-Maj Jakrapanth Thomma, and over others 50 injured.

 

The order instructs barrack commanders to increase sentry and armoury security to prevent any repeat of weekend’s tragedy, during which the culprit wrestled one HK33 assault rifle and 40 rounds of ammunition from a sentry at the barracks and removed a HK33 rifle, an M60 machinegun and almost 800 rounds of ammunition from the armoury.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/security-at-armouries-and-sentry-posts-revamped-after-korat-mass-shooting/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2020-02-10

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[unamazedloso]

Would be sorta common sense to be pretty strict with this stuff id reckon but thats just me. Better late than never anyhoo but i guarantee 3-4days will pass and heads will be back buried in phones.

[colinneil]

Horse bolted comes to mind, usual knee jerk reaction.

Why now? Should have been in place already, if it was 29 poor souls would still be alive.

[Just1Voice]

HORSE...BARN DOORM comes to mind

[bluesofa]

2 minutes ago, colinneil said:

Horse bolted comes to mind, usual knee jerk reaction.

Why now? Should have been in place already, if it was 29 poor souls would still be alive.

Why now? Because it's the usual 'reactive' approach to a situation, rather than a 'proactive' one.

 

 

[Assurancetourix]

hoping that they will understand that we do not store weapons and ammunition in the same room or even in the same building.
and also hoping that the guards are each in a secure room that is inaccessible to those who come to look for equipment so that at the slightest sign of access is locked immediately.

 

All this requires financial investment but not only; also intellectual investment and there, it seems to me that this is something they lack in this army of operettas.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

19 minutes ago, colinneil said:

Horse bolted comes to mind, usual knee jerk reaction.

Why now? Should have been in place already, if it was 29 poor souls would still be alive.

 

And yet a month from now, there will probably be guys on sentry assignment somewhere sleeping on duty or nipping out for a quick drink or "sensual encounter". Because, memories are short, and that's the way it works here.

 

Edited February 10, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Dunno if anyone has asked this question since T21...

 

When was the last time a soldier or soldiers in the Thai military killed so many people in one day?

 

April 10 at Ratchaprasong in BKK saw 25 people killed. That came close.

 

And none of this, of course, in actual military combat that the military is supposed to be for.

 

 

 

[exparte]

The PM said yesterday that there was nothing wrong about the Security of Weapons Armouries; it just was a fact that the guard had been killed.

 

A True Leader would accept responsibility; and show leadership on working with the Military to address Security at these facilities in the short term; and establishing long term operational changes; or even changes in the facilities design that will prevent this from ever happening again.

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 minutes ago, exparte said:

The PM said yesterday that there was nothing wrong about the Security of Weapons Armouries;

 

 

Couldn't have been more wrong about that.... But as usual, never speak an ill word toward the military:

 

 

[TooBigToFit]

The army should have figured out after the armory thefts down in the South in relation to the insurgency that this was an issue. What were they thinking? They don't seem to believe that a deranged Thai might try to get weapons or soldiers might want to try to sell them for profit.

 

Looking at this event on a different line, this shooting just goes to show that the Southern problem is not about international terrorism. It's a local issue. What the Korat shooter has done could have been done anywhere in the country easily. The insurgents in the south have never left their home lands. Their issue is local about their land and way of life.

[ChrisY1]

Apirat is the army leader....he had no idea about the poor security of his own armouries!

Further proof that Thailand is managed by poorly educated and ignorant imbeciles.....and there's more of these people everywhere!

[newcomer71]

One month ago he told that no ill intentioned people could steal weapons from Army barracks... Cough cough...

[bfc1980]

And in other news... "Following the escape of 12 horses yesterday, a Thai farmer has decided to shut and lock the barn door." 

[trainman34014]

Just another in an endless line of 'Crackdowns' that last all of 48 hours, and even that's stretching it !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[bfc1980]

16 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Dunno if anyone has asked this question since T21...

 

When was the last time a soldier or soldiers in the Thai military killed so many people in one day?

 

April 10 at Ratchaprasong in BKK saw 25 people killed. That came close.

 

And none of this, of course, in actual military combat that the military is supposed to be for.

 

 

 

6th October 1976. More than 100 student protesters at Thammasat University were massacred. Quite possibly Thailand's most shameful day. 

[sammieuk1]

Big odious has come out now the shooting is over now arm yourself with a pointing stick and slap some vinyl on the wall featuring a lock and key????

[Assurancetourix]

16 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Dunno if anyone has asked this question since T21...

 

When was the last time a soldier or soldiers in the Thai military killed so many people in one day?

 

April 10 at Ratchaprasong in BKK saw 25 people killed. That came close.

 

And none of this, of course, in actual military combat that the military is supposed to be for.

 

 

 

I still have in mind the date of May 19, 2010, the day of the massacre of hundreds of Thai civilians by its own army.

and when we reflect a minimum we know who gave the supreme order 
;
May 19 is ST Yves, the first name of my younger brother ..

hundreds, I wrote well; because if the official number is more than 90;
the actual number approaches 700

[shy coconut]

Before the world trade centre attack, it was ok to take knives onto an airplane and gain 

entry to the flight deck, after that, rules and regulations were set in place to prevent the

repetition of such an awful event.

 

No one in Thailand, including the preening know it alls here, who are wallowing gleefully

in their hindsight aided delirium, would ever have predicted a massacre in Thailand like 

we saw on the weekend.

I just don't understand the mindset of someone who sees an atrocity

 like this and uses it as a way to gain popularity on an internet forum, sad and

desperate are 2 words that come to mind.

[justin case]

as always, nothing will change...you think too mutt

[Stargeezr]

I guess it was too much to see that the weapons and ammo, were not under lock and

key system, and a signout procedure used to get acess to them.

Geezer

[Srikcir]

3 hours ago, TooBigToFit said:

The army should have figured out after the armory thefts down in the South in relation to the insurgency that this was an issue. What were they thinking? They don't seem to believe that a deranged Thai might try to get weapons or soldiers might want to try to sell them for profit.

 

Looking at this event on a different line, this shooting just goes to show that the Southern problem is not about international terrorism. It's a local issue. What the Korat shooter has done could have been done anywhere in the country easily. The insurgents in the south have never left their home lands. Their issue is local about their land and way of life.

Those army armories in the south are available to Thai paramilitary forces that are basically contractors. How those weapons are used and where they might be delivered (sold?) Might not be well controlled.

[worgeordie]

It should last a couple of weeks then back to normal.

regards Worgeordie

[thequietman]

19 hours ago, webfact said:

the culprit wrestled one HK33 assault rifle and 40 rounds of ammunition from a sentry at the barracks and removed a HK33 rifle, an M60 machinegun and almost 800 rounds of ammunition from the armoury.

I thought he shot the guard! Is that not correct?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 hours ago, shy coconut said:

 

No one in Thailand, including the preening know it alls here, who are wallowing gleefully

in their hindsight aided delirium, would ever have predicted a massacre in Thailand like 

we saw on the weekend.

I just don't understand the mindset of someone who sees an atrocity

 like this and uses it as a way to gain popularity on an internet forum, sad and

desperate are 2 words that come to mind.

 

It's nothing about the forum or popularity.

 

It's looking back at many YEARS of armoury weapons "thefts" from all over Thailand that the military here had plenty of reason to be aware of and take steps to prevent -- but never did.

 

There probably never would have been a mass killing of the kind that occurred this week if the military had learned from its own history and taken serious steps to secure the huge caches of weapons that it's responsible for.

 

That's nothing to gloat over. Instead, it's sad and shocking, and in a better world, would probably lead to serious reforms and personnel consequences... But here, nah.......

 

Edited February 11, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Redline]

Another week long crackdown 

[Saint Nick]

a dollar too short, a day too late!

[billd766]

2 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

I guess it was too much to see that the weapons and ammo, were not under lock and

key system, and a signout procedure used to get acess to them.

Geezer

They were under lock and key but presumably when the guy refused to release any weapons the killer simply shot him, took his gun and keys and took what he needed in the way of weapons and ammo and left the armoury.

Stealing a Humvee was easy as IIRC they don't have ignition keys but simply an ignition switch. That is because in wartime any soldier can use it and not necessarily the driver.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

They were under lock and key but presumably when the guy refused to release any weapons the killer simply shot him, took his gun and keys and took what he needed in the way of weapons and ammo and left the armoury.

Stealing a Humvee was easy as IIRC they don't have ignition keys but simply an ignition switch. That is because in wartime any soldier can use it and not necessarily the driver.

 

The one thing I haven't caught any mention of has been -- what were the other Army folks on the base doing AFTER this guy stole the guns and took off in the Humvee?

 

Someone on base had to have known what was happening at some point. Was there any pursuit by the military? Did the Army notify the police promptly that they had a nutcase with automatic weapons on the loose?

 

Lots of unanswered questions here in the lead-up to the massacre at T21.

 

[atyclb]

likewise with road safety and countless deaths.

 

society simply is incapable