UK plans to introduce border controls on EU goods after post-Brexit transition

[TheDark]

8 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Looks like the fishermen have got a different perspective on the 'opportunities' ahead:

 

Fishermen say Brexit opportunities will be LOST under Boris’ new skilled workers ban

 

James Buchan from the Scottish Seafood Association warned the requirements set in the legislation will deliver a blow to the Scottish fishing industry due to its dependence on EU workers classed as unskilled.

 

" If we cannot get the people into the factories, then any opportunity that Brexit can provide is going to be economically lost."

Puff - there goes the fishing industry reasoning for Brexit. 

 

And it's not only the labour, but also smooth and fast access to the EU markets, where to sell the fish.

 

I guess the fishing industry was never a great concern for Boris. 

[bannork]

57 minutes ago, TheDark said:

Running EU space program is expensive. Running all the boring standardization work for all the EU member countries costs money. But all this is just 1.3% of each member countries GDP. 

 

That's rather cheap price to pay to get lots of things done for all member countries. 

 

But some will never understand that. 

 

Albania sounds interesting addition to the EU. They have some nice beaches and places to retire for EU nationals. ????

The Brits will be okay. You can't beat a chill-you-to-the-bone (bracing) North Sea wind in the summer at Skegness.

 

[bannork]

33 minutes ago, TheDark said:

Puff - there goes the fishing industry reasoning for Brexit. 

 

And it's not only the labour, but also smooth and fast access to the EU markets, where to sell the fish.

 

I guess the fishing industry was never a great concern for Boris. 

I think Boris is afraid or water, or perhaps he can't swim. He hasn't made an appearance at any of the flood locations these past few days.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

Looks like the fishermen have got a different perspective on the 'opportunities' ahead:

 

Fishermen say Brexit opportunities will be LOST under Boris’ new skilled workers ban

 

James Buchan from the Scottish Seafood Association warned the requirements set in the legislation will deliver a blow to the Scottish fishing industry due to its dependence on EU workers classed as unskilled.

 

" If we cannot get the people into the factories, then any opportunity that Brexit can provide is going to be economically lost."

Priceless 

[evadgib]

53 minutes ago, bannork said:

I think Boris is afraid or water, or perhaps he can't swim. He hasn't made an appearance at any of the flood locations these past few days.

So the weather is now the latest stick to beat him with...?

 

Scottish Sea Rescue Heroes receive £125k UK Government funding

 

Flood risk continues with further rain expected this weekend

 

Letter to The Times from Emma Howard Boyd, Chair of the Environment Agency

 

Other than turning up in a Batman suit for a photo op what else would you suggest?

Edited February 22, 2020 by evadgib

[evadgib]

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Priceless 

Despite...?

Immigration system will support Scottish economy

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In the fishing industry, not just trawler skippers but mates and share fishermen – experienced crew members – are all classed as skilled. So are fishmongers, fish filleters and fish processors.

For all those jobs, and many more, employers will be able to recruit workers from overseas.

The system will be less restrictive than at present.

 

[RuamRudy]

11 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Despite...?

Immigration system will support Scottish economy

 

Average salary for a fish filleter is a little over £21k. 

 

https://www.checkasalary.co.uk/salary/butchers-and-other-meat-poultry-and-fish-processing-workers-food-processing-workers

[izod10]

16 minutes ago, TheDark said:

So you are now enjoying when a natural disaster hits Scotland? 

yes  might get rid of them

[Rimmer]

Some off topic and baiting posts removed

[vogie]

2 hours ago, izod10 said:

Yeah right,its hurting now the very thought of hanging on for another 9 months. With 93 billion deficit  who is hurting??

  fishing  that alone will destroy the EU  and they know it.....its all hot air from now on  WTO rules   God the French? its going to hurt

 

   Just wish the scots would get the hell out of it,for some reason they think they are wanted, give them the boot  quicker than quick

I wouldn't be too hard on the Scots, its the SNP that is muddying the waters.

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, evadgib said:

Yet another example where the ???????????????????????????? are bashed for something the entire Kingdom (????????) are responsible for (& the quote still ends with 'union of countries' lol!)

15.2 million votes of the 17.4 million that voted to leave were from England, or maybe you dispute that as well.

[melvinmelvin]

re being dep. on unskilled EEA workers;

 

a few seafood processing industries in Norway hire and import workers from PI,

works pretty OK as far as I  understand

 

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

Despite...?

Immigration system will support Scottish economy

 

Good distraction.

The item in question was regarding the seafood and you bring in suggested changes to the offshore sector.

Don't worry too much, even the politicians fail to recognise the difference, as far as they were concerned the fishing industry wanted brexit, despite the fact that anti-brexit side of the industry is over twice the size of offshore in terms of jobs.

Scottish seafood and fish farming is primarily located in rural areas but what is the problem with a bit of collateral damage, after all. out of sight, out of mind.

[cleopatra2]

11 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

re being dep. on unskilled EEA workers;

 

a few seafood processing industries in Norway hire and import workers from PI,

works pretty OK as far as I  understand

 

Do they have to  pay a sponsorship fee in order to gain work permit like in the UK

[melvinmelvin]

3 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

Do they have to  pay a sponsorship fee in order to gain work permit like in the UK

sorry, have no idea

but if I should guess I would guess no

 

(note these (mostly pinais) are commuters, they are not wives/girlfriends of locals)

 

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, izod10 said:

  fishing  that alone will destroy the EU  and they know it.....its all hot air from now on  WTO rules   God the French? its going to hurt

Another brexit myth, then they never did understand "cooperation".

 

When the UK leaves the EU and the CFP, it will be considered a coastal state under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea ( UNCLOS), responsible for the sustainable management of the resources in its Exclusive Economic Zone ( EEZ). This requires cooperation with other states (in particular the EU and Norway) for the management of shared stocks, and a key part of this will be agreeing overall catch limits and their allocation between the coastal states. Zonal attachment ^[2] , as used as the basis for allocation of shared stocks in the EU–Norway agreement, is an alternative approach to the current CFP ‘relative stability’ allocation based predominantly on historic catch levels.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/economic-impacts-scenarios-scottish-uk-seafood-industries-post-eu-exit/pages/3/

 

2. Zonal attachment is a way of defining how the amount of fish to be caught from a shared stock should be divided amongst the coastal states in whose waters the stocks occur. The zonal attachment of a stock is the share of the stock residing within a particular country’s EEZ, weighted by the time it spends in a country’s zone over a year, if necessary.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/economic-impacts-scenarios-scottish-uk-seafood-industries-post-eu-exit/pages/20/

[Chomper Higgot]

33 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

re being dep. on unskilled EEA workers;

 

a few seafood processing industries in Norway hire and import workers from PI,

works pretty OK as far as I  understand

 

So you don’t expect ‘Brits’ to take these jobs then.

[vogie]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So you don’t expect ‘Brits’ to take these jobs then.

We did those jobs in the 60s and 70s before we had a society that expects money for nothing and their chips for free, it could be a problem weaning them off the give me, give me without having to work beliefs. Hopefully they might respect money more if they have to work for it. 

Importing labour to do work which our bone idle young won't do is not the answer.

[sandyf]

From post 817

"In the fishing industry, not just trawler skippers but mates and share fishermen – experienced crew members – are all classed as skilled. So are fishmongers, fish filleters and fish processors.

For all those jobs, and many more, employers will be able to recruit workers from overseas."

 

A late friend of mine used to work on a fish farm and he was a skilled worker, skilled in the use of CNC milling machines, but didn't count for a lot when it came to tipping bags of fish food into the reservoir. He only took the job because it was seasonal, allowing him to spend 6 months in UK and 6 months in Thailand. 

One day the politicians will wake up to the fact that a large percentage of the work in seafood and fish farming is seasonal and effectively manual labour, whatever they want to call it.

[TheDark]

24 minutes ago, vogie said:

We did those jobs in the 60s and 70s before we had a society that expects money for nothing and their chips for free, it could be a problem weaning them off the give me, give me without having to work beliefs. Hopefully they might respect money more if they have to work for it. 

Importing labour to do work which our bone idle young won't do is not the answer.

So are you now saying lazy English workers were the real reason to commit Brexit?

 

Perhaps the change of attitude could have been done in a bit less destructive way. 

 

Did the workers in 60's and 70's also ski to their school, both ways uphill?

 

Showing the true Brexiteer Grit!

[Chomper Higgot]

28 minutes ago, vogie said:

We did those jobs in the 60s and 70s before we had a society that expects money for nothing and their chips for free, it could be a problem weaning them off the give me, give me without having to work beliefs. Hopefully they might respect money more if they have to work for it. 

Importing labour to do work which our bone idle young won't do is not the answer.

I wonder how many young British people you actually know?!

 

Your post suggests no so

many.

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Another brexit myth, then they never did understand "cooperation".

 

When the UK leaves the EU and the CFP, it will be considered a coastal state under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea ( UNCLOS), responsible for the sustainable management of the resources in its Exclusive Economic Zone ( EEZ). This requires cooperation with other states (in particular the EU and Norway) for the management of shared stocks, and a key part of this will be agreeing overall catch limits and their allocation between the coastal states. Zonal attachment ^[2] , as used as the basis for allocation of shared stocks in the EU–Norway agreement, is an alternative approach to the current CFP ‘relative stability’ allocation based predominantly on historic catch levels.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/economic-impacts-scenarios-scottish-uk-seafood-industries-post-eu-exit/pages/3/

 

2. Zonal attachment is a way of defining how the amount of fish to be caught from a shared stock should be divided amongst the coastal states in whose waters the stocks occur. The zonal attachment of a stock is the share of the stock residing within a particular country’s EEZ, weighted by the time it spends in a country’s zone over a year, if necessary.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/economic-impacts-scenarios-scottish-uk-seafood-industries-post-eu-exit/pages/20/

 

don't confuse the barstool riders with facts and reality

you blow some of their arguments

[vogie]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

I wonder how many young British people you actually know?!

 

Your post suggests no so

many.

I am not sure what you are suggesting but to import labour into our country to do jobs that we think is above ourselves to do, cannot be morally correct and more to the point it belittles the people coming in to do those jobs, they deserve better.

It's getting to the stage where the young won't work because they are frightened might get their hands dirty, what the hell have we spawned here, the country is going to have to have a rethink how these entitled people expect paying without working. 

Bringing in slave labour is not the answer.

[RuamRudy]

41 minutes ago, vogie said:

We did those jobs in the 60s and 70s before we had a society that expects money for nothing and their chips for free, it could be a problem weaning them off the give me, give me without having to work beliefs. Hopefully they might respect money more if they have to work for it. 

Importing labour to do work which our bone idle young won't do is not the answer.

Official unemployment is reported to be the lowest its been since the mid 70s - where are these people who are expecting free money, and are the going to relocate to the north west highlands?

 

 

[vogie]

21 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Official unemployment is reported to be the lowest its been since the mid 70s - where are these people who are expecting free money, and are the going to relocate to the north west highlands?

 

 

Unemployment may be at its lowest since the mid 70s, but there are still plenty of able bodied people to fill these gaps, maybe pay more wages and there will be less exploitation of these immigrants. 

Mrs Sturgeons open door policy is certainly no answer, incidentally the Scots share the same beliefs on immigration as their southern neighbours, it might just lose her a few more votes with that attitude, be carefull what you wish for.

 

[nauseus]

25 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Official unemployment is reported to be the lowest its been since the mid 70s - where are these people who are expecting free money, and are the going to relocate to the north west highlands?

 

 

Calculation methods and criteria for these "official" numbers are regularly "adjusted" - fudges - not as bad as the USA but fudges nonetheless.

 

https://www4.shu.ac.uk/research/cresr/news/real-level-unemployment-almost-35million-new-report

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/17/unemployment-figures-should-be-millions-higher-says-research

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-unemployment-hidden-labour-market-a9160146.html

 

And these links don't even detail all of these fudges.

[sandyf]

17 minutes ago, vogie said:

Mrs Sturgeons open door policy is certainly no answer, incidentally the Scots share the same beliefs on immigration as their southern neighbours, it might just lose her a few more votes with that attitude, be carefull what you wish for.

 

Unlike you, the Scottish conservatives have not dismissed the SNP proposal out of hand.

They are unlikely to lose many votes, that would mean you had to have many to start with.

 

 Carlaw said he thought some of the Scottish government’s proposals had merit, but did not elaborate.

Asked if he agreed with the Scottish visa proposal, Carlaw said: “The answer is to have a migration system which is appropriate to Scotland’s needs.

“Actually, we’re still digesting the Scottish government paper as well, which [we] believe had some quite sensible analysis of the situation and there were some sensible suggestions made in that too.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/20/scottish-tories-urge-rethink-over-points-based-immigration

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

15.2 million votes of the 17.4 million that voted to leave were from England, or maybe you dispute that as well.

So you're now disputing the oft peddled claim that we're equal?

[TheDark]

6 minutes ago, evadgib said:

So you're now disputing the oft peddled claim that we're equal?

It's clear to everybody that equality is not the case. It's also the reason, why Scotland needs to end the union. 

 

 

[evadgib]

11 minutes ago, TheDark said:

It's clear to everybody that equality is not the case. It's also the reason, why Scotland needs to end the union. 

 

 

Under the act of union to which they voluntarily and enthusiastically signed up 300 +years ago that falls to the UK parliament no matter how loud they squeak.

Edited February 22, 2020 by evadgib