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5 hours ago, Gulfsailor said:

I prefer quality over quantity. Thailand has plenty low cost destinations already, and are struggling more than Samui. The reason affluent travelers visit Samui is because it’s not like Pattaya or Phuket. The hotels that are struggling on Samui are the low and mid tier ones. The luxury accommodations are doing fine. Let’s not ruin that with plane loads of budget travelers please. 

Wait a second please. What’s wrong with budget travellers? Not all of us are fat cat wealthy people. Some of us worked hard all our lives and live on a small pension. We Find the cheapest flights with Skyscanner and KAYAK and fly in the back of the plane in the economy seats. 
    In Thailand, India, Cambodia and Vietnam and Laos we stay in the cheap accommodation places. Maybe rent a cheap apartment for $100.00 or $150.00 a month. We eat like the locals... and lots of street food and little tiny locals restaurants. We avoid four and five star hotels and the tourist bars and bar girls.

    Does that mean we are some sort of undesirable third class people?

Hey..... apologies for not being rich. Do you really have to look down your nose at us like we are living in the gutter?  As if we haven’t showered in six months?

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28 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

He's thinking out loud that this low quality mass tourism isn't sustainable, is that so damn hard to understand?

 

47 minutes ago, digger70 said:

Let’s not ruin that with plane loads of budget travelers please. 

It's the way he said it , It came across to me that he said that one is better than the other. :jap:

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2 hours ago, Sydebolle said:

Dr. Prasert Prasarttong-Osoth, Chairman of Bangkok Airways, is the visionary behind Bangkok Airways as well as the airport on Samui island. He bought the land and built the airport to make Samui - aviationwise - "online". 

Bangkok Airways is a true boutique airline and not comparable to a low cost carrier. I happened to be on a 6-passenger-flight in a 100-passenger aircraft and, despite being possibly the loss leader of that particular day, the flight was operated - which was very, very important to me. This is something which cannot be said by most other airlines in Thailand. 

Dr. Prasert and his team of leading professionals put Samui and their airline where they are today. The "expensive" part comes from all those half-empty hotels overcharging tremendously (a bottle of local soda at Baht 90++) and blocking entire sections of the beach for private hotel guests (restaurant guests spending more than B 1000/head did not count).  

So you do not mind going to the dungeon of BKK to take a THB5000 flight with a bus to a plane on the tarmac.

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1 hour ago, crazykopite said:

Bangkok airways which is privately owned generates the majority of its annual income directly from the Koh Samui flights this information was released last year without Samui airport and the extortionate prices they charge they would go bust within months.

Absolutely spot on. And their numbers are already starting to dwindle. It could be the beginning of the end for BA. 

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So I have 70,000 baht to spend and I have seven days in Thailand. Just as an example. 

I can fly to Surat Thani or Nakhon Si Thammarat with AirAsia and get the combined bus/ferry ticket for a few thousand baht. The problem is that it will cost me time. You need to allocate most of a day to get there and another whole day to get back to Bangkok.  The cost is around 2,000 baht. That leaves me with 68,000 baht to spend over the remaining five days. 

Or I can fly Bangkok Airways direct from Bangkok. It will just take me 1-2 hours each way. But it will cost me upwards of 9,000 baht. Now I have 61,000 baht to spend over seven days. 

Or, if they let low cost carriers fly direct to the island, I would have 68,000 baht to spend over seven days. 

For a short trip of seven days I would probably not spend two whole days just on transportation. So I would go somewhere else. And I would either spend 68,000 baht in a local economy (maybe Krabi?) or 61,000 baht (BA and five days on Koh Samui). It seems to me that if the tourist has any kind of budget (which most people do), more money would be spent on hotels, food, adventure and entertainment if the transportation is cheaper. So even if you argue that keeping Koh Samui expensive helps keep out budget travellers it also keeps out people with limited vacation time. 

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8 hours ago, webfact said:

that would cater to budget minded tourists

What?! I heard they want the rich high quality tourists only.

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2 hours ago, Catoni said:

Wait a second please. What’s wrong with budget travellers? Not all of us are fat cat wealthy people. Some of us worked hard all our lives and live on a small pension. We Find the cheapest flights with Skyscanner and KAYAK and fly in the back of the plane in the economy seats. 
    In Thailand, India, Cambodia and Vietnam and Laos we stay in the cheap accommodation places. Maybe rent a cheap apartment for $100.00 or $150.00 a month. We eat like the locals... and lots of street food and little tiny locals restaurants. We avoid four and five star hotels and the tourist bars and bar girls.

    Does that mean we are some sort of undesirable third class people?

Hey..... apologies for not being rich. Do you really have to look down your nose at us like we are living in the gutter?  As if we haven’t showered in six months?

There is something between hi-so and lo-so. And why should a country fight for tourists they leave only a few hundred Baht per month in the country? The tourists they live in hotels and eat in restaurants bring more money (also for the government because the restaurants and hotels pay taxes) and bring more jobs for Thais they are working there as the one who rents a cheap room.

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you cant be serious building a bridge from the mainland??????omg u know how far that is............silly talk..............ive been coming to these islands for over 15 years.  and ive had enuf. im finished.  too many backpackers as it is..........do we want more ??   the islands are only so big and only if they pull a chinese idea of building up a shoal into a usable island can more come as it is.................im finished.  kind of like lipe years ago. so many people the place got ruined.  instead of new airport how about quotas.  less people not more

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2 hours ago, Catoni said:

Wait a second please. What’s wrong with budget travellers? Not all of us are fat cat wealthy people. Some of us worked hard all our lives and live on a small pension. We Find the cheapest flights with Skyscanner and KAYAK and fly in the back of the plane in the economy seats. 
    In Thailand, India, Cambodia and Vietnam and Laos we stay in the cheap accommodation places. Maybe rent a cheap apartment for $100.00 or $150.00 a month. We eat like the locals... and lots of street food and little tiny locals restaurants. We avoid four and five star hotels and the tourist bars and bar girls.

    Does that mean we are some sort of undesirable third class people?

Hey..... apologies for not being rich. Do you really have to look down your nose at us like we are living in the gutter?  As if we haven’t showered in six months?

the reality is that thais want tourists with money not poor folk its just reality. but cambodia will welcome you 

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1 hour ago, androokery said:

So I have 70,000 baht to spend and I have seven days in Thailand. Just as an example. 

I can fly to Surat Thani or Nakhon Si Thammarat with AirAsia and get the combined bus/ferry ticket for a few thousand baht. The problem is that it will cost me time. You need to allocate most of a day to get there and another whole day to get back to Bangkok.  The cost is around 2,000 baht. That leaves me with 68,000 baht to spend over the remaining five days. 

Or I can fly Bangkok Airways direct from Bangkok. It will just take me 1-2 hours each way. But it will cost me upwards of 9,000 baht. Now I have 61,000 baht to spend over seven days. 

Or, if they let low cost carriers fly direct to the island, I would have 68,000 baht to spend over seven days. 

For a short trip of seven days I would probably not spend two whole days just on transportation. So I would go somewhere else. And I would either spend 68,000 baht in a local economy (maybe Krabi?) or 61,000 baht (BA and five days on Koh Samui). It seems to me that if the tourist has any kind of budget (which most people do), more money would be spent on hotels, food, adventure and entertainment if the transportation is cheaper. So even if you argue that keeping Koh Samui expensive helps keep out budget travellers it also keeps out people with limited vacation time. 

im finished withthe islands too many backpackers as it is. i hope they build an airport and free up the mainland for folk like me that just want to hang with locals in peace.  you all can fight it out

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They talked about this and a bridge/tunnel way back in 2005 when I lived there....maybe in another 15 years it may be built...

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8 hours ago, Gulfsailor said:

I prefer quality over quantity. Thailand has plenty low cost destinations already, and are struggling more than Samui. The reason affluent travelers visit Samui is because it’s not like Pattaya or Phuket. The hotels that are struggling on Samui are the low and mid tier ones. The luxury accommodations are doing fine. Let’s not ruin that with plane loads of budget travelers please. 

So what you are saying Samui is for only wealthy folk you say the hotels are doing well are you staying in every luxury hotel 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thailand’s future is fcked !!!

 

8 hours ago, Gulfsailor said:

I prefer quality over quantity. Thailand has plenty low cost destinations already, and are struggling more than Samui. The reason affluent travelers visit Samui is because it’s not like Pattaya or Phuket. The hotels that are struggling on Samui are the low and mid tier ones. The luxury accommodations are doing fine. Let’s not ruin that with plane loads of budget travelers please. 

 

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1 hour ago, androokery said:

So I have 70,000 baht to spend and I have seven days in Thailand. Just as an example. 

I can fly to Surat Thani or Nakhon Si Thammarat with AirAsia and get the combined bus/ferry ticket for a few thousand baht. The problem is that it will cost me time. You need to allocate most of a day to get there and another whole day to get back to Bangkok.  The cost is around 2,000 baht. That leaves me with 68,000 baht to spend over the remaining five days. 

Or I can fly Bangkok Airways direct from Bangkok. It will just take me 1-2 hours each way. But it will cost me upwards of 9,000 baht. Now I have 61,000 baht to spend over seven days. 

Many of the tourists coming to Samui and staying in the nations highest concentration of many-stars hotels, they don't mind the Bangkok Airways' prices – some even prefer the quality instead of a budget solution – compared to their total budget, the cost for a Bangkok Air ticket is minimal. Many rooms for two persons costs around 15,000 baht and up a night – however included breakfast – and people spending that kind of money also spend on other things, not to forget another one or two meals a day, preferably in some of the island's many gourmet restaurants. 7,000 baht more or less in the total budget is not important, some even gladly pay that to avoid flying budget – I actually know of quite a number.

 

If you wish to fly cheap directly to Samui, you can for example book early and use "early morning bird" or the late evening flights which costs around 2,900 baht for a one-way ticket. With a bit of planning you can actually have around 64,000 baht to spend over 7 days on Samui.

 

I believe that many, if not most, of those who choose Samui do it because it's their wish to visit this more expensive island; others might not care so much about which beach or destination they stay, and choose from domestic air ticket price, and they would probably also not choose Samui due to other price levels than the air ticket only.

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