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2 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

And I am sure that the polls showing a massive dropoff in support for Trump in the suburbs throughout America seems to have escaped your notice. To remind yourself, you could do worse than consult the 2018 midterms.

 

Yes. I believe his support by white women has dropped a lot.

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Sanders leads in early New Hampshire results, Biden lags badly

By John Whitesides and Amanda Becker

 

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Democratic U.S. presidential candidate Senator Bernie Sanders speaks to the media at a polling station at the McDonough School on Election Day in the New Hampshire presidential primary election in Manchester, New Hampshire, U.S., February 11, 2020. REUTERS/Mike Segar

 

MANCHESTER, N.H. - Progressive U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders took an early lead in New Hampshire's Democratic presidential primary on Tuesday, and former front-runner Joe Biden trailed badly in fifth place in the second contest to find a nominee to face President Donald Trump in November.

 

With 14 percent of precincts reporting in New Hampshire, Sanders led with 28.4% and Pete Buttigieg, the moderate former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, had 22.2%. U.S. Senator Amy Klobuchar, looking for a breakthrough after a strong debate performance on Friday, was in third with 20.5%.

 

Biden, the former vice president, was a distant fifth in the early results with 8.5%, behind U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren with 9.4%.

The Democrats seeking the right to challenge Trump in the Nov. 3 election have raced through the small New England state for a week, making their case for why they would be the best choice to beat Trump.

 

Results began rolling in quickly after polls closed, and Democrats in New Hampshire were confident they would have smoother sailing than in Iowa, where embarrassing technical problems delayed vote-counting and the release of results for days.

 

Buttigieg narrowly beat Sanders in Iowa, but both campaigns have asked for a partial recanvass of the results.

 

Voters in New Hampshire chose a candidate from a ballot with 33 names, including candidates who dropped out weeks ago. But it did not include former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a billionaire who is not competing in any states before the 14 Super Tuesday primaries on March 3.

 

Sanders had taken a lead in recent opinion polls in New Hampshire despite a barrage of criticism from rivals who warned his far-left views would lead the party to defeat against Trump.

 

Buttigieg also has gotten a bump in polls after his narrow disputed win in Iowa. Supporters of Buttigieg greeted him at a Manchester polling place before dawn, waving blue and yellow "Pete 2020" campaign signs and chanting "President Pete."

 

'IT FEELS GOOD'

"It feels good out here," Buttigieg said, smiling as reporters asked how he thought he would fare.

 

Sanders, 78, who represents neighboring Vermont in the Senate, won New Hampshire easily over rival Hillary Clinton with 60% of the vote in his unsuccessful bid for the party's nomination four years ago. The self-described democratic socialist drew a young crowd of more than 7,500 people on Monday night at the University of New Hampshire's campus at Durham.

 

"This turnout tells me why we're going to win here in New Hampshire, why we're going to win the Democratic nomination and why we are going to defeat the most dangerous president in the history of America, Donald Trump," Sanders said.

 

Democrats in New Hampshire and in the other states that will vote in the state-by-state battle for the Democratic nomination are trying to decide whether they want to pick a moderate like Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Bloomberg and Biden, or progressive leaders like Sanders and Warren, who represents neighboring Massachusetts.

 

After Iowa and New Hampshire, small and rural states with predominantly white populations, the race will move on to more diverse battlegrounds that pose new tests.

 

Up next will be the Feb. 22 caucuses in Nevada, which has a large Latino population, and the Feb. 29 primary in South Carolina, which has a large African-American population.

 

Biden in particular is banking on South Carolina, where he has enjoyed strong support among African-American voters. He served as vice president for eight years under Barack Obama, the first black U.S. president.

 

Support for Biden has tumbled nationally since his poor performance in Iowa. He had said he might suffer another weak finish in New Hampshire.

 

Klobuchar, who arrived at a polling location in Manchester on Tuesday morning, noted her gradual rise in the polls and said she was prepared to keep fighting. "I'm a different kind of candidate," Klobuchar told CNN, adding: "I have also been able to bring people with me."

 

In Manchester, voter Sara Lutat said she cast her ballot for Buttigieg.

 

"I think he's the one who can beat Trump," she said.

 

Fellow Manchester voter Rebecca Balzano called Buttigieg "too new, too young" and said she voted for Sanders.

 

For a graphic on Calendar of each state’s Democratic nominating contest and its allocated delegates:

 

https://graphics.reuters.com/USA-ELECTION-CALENDAR/0100B31F26V/index.html

 

(Reporting by John Whitesides, James Oliphant, Simon Lewis, Michael Martina and Amanda Becker in New Hampshire; Writing by John Whitesides and Scott Malone; Editing by Peter Cooney)

 

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A centrist, woman democrat running against Trump, who has much less funding and political leverage than the last one, who lost. 

 

Voter turnout will be low with her too. People have tried to point out her strengths in this thread and even then it is absolute yawn-ville.

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24 minutes ago, sucit said:

A centrist, woman democrat running against Trump, who has much less funding and political leverage than the last one, who lost. 

 

Voter turnout will be low with her too. People have tried to point out her strengths in this thread and even then it is absolute yawn-ville.

 

Bloomberg will jump in on super Tuesday. One way or another that will change the entire thing. NH and IA have so few delegates this really doesn't matter. Ding dong the witch is dead, what old witch? The wicked witch! @ Warren

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2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You do realize the process it to select only one candidate and not the alternative personality cult you adhere to.

 

I just couldn't remember the guy until I saw him and realized he occupied the far end of the stage at the debates. If I had to pick who could beat Trump I would say go Bernie.

 

It doesn't matter who I want to win I am free to comment on the ridiculous process. Why not use the popular vote? So the dems say. Then you look how they run their own party and see what a convoluted process which lends itself to divisiveness. 

 

It's a popularity contest for the person that will lose to Trump by the least.

 

 

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On 2/12/2020 at 7:45 AM, Jingthing said:

She's been my top choice all along. She performs beautifully in the senate so has credible experience. She has strong African American support in her state. She wins bigly in precincts in her state that went for 45. She's Midwestern. She's a woman. She's likeable and tough at the same time. She's a high energy tireless campaigner. She is middle aged. Not too young or old. Biden hopefully is badly fading. Her lane is Buttigeig. She is obviously a much stronger choice than him. 

 

She is reportedly one of the nastiest people you can work for.

At least Trump will just say, <deleted> you're fired.

She publicly humiliates staffers: from NYT:

 

"In private, she could deliver slashing remarks without particular provocation. Parched one day in the Capitol, she turned to a member of her team and said, “I would trade three of you for a bottle of water,” according to a person who witnessed it."

 

 

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Personally, I think these teasers (Iowa, NH) are just sort of drama build up and are more entertainment than anything else.  Iowa is joke (not a comment on this year's fubar) as it isn't even a primary.  The first Super Tuesday is when the tea leaves are read.  Remember 4 years ago when heir-apparent Jeb! got 8% in SC? 

( I think Joe is headed for the same fate). 

 

I would hope the rise of DT will somehow make people realize that turning politics into entertainment is a bad idea, the best show wins.  This past 6+ months of debates are about advertising and giving the networks something to cover in the summer.

 

I think Warren went a little too far, trying to please everybody on the left. 

Pete?  A gay man carrying the general election?  But hey, look what won the last one!  And you know what DT will say about Klobuchar: "look at that face!"

 

DT is going to start saying "Commie Bernie" and it's going to have an effect.  He'll stir up a level of ethnic hatred that I don't want to think about.

 

I'm not sure but I think choosing a running mate from the pack of candidates isn't so popular anymore -- maybe being one heartbeat away from the Oval is considered too big a temptation ????  But as for jockeying for cabinet positions, put Yang in as Treasury Sec and let him start sending out the checks!

 

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On 2/12/2020 at 10:18 AM, JHolmesJr said:

At least Trump will just say, <deleted> you're fired.

:cheesy:

 

If you say this in earnest than it is really important for you to start getting your news from other sources.  There is a lot Fox will not show.  Youtube would help, look up his name and sc_m, put a U in the blank.  And that's just a start.
 

 

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6 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

It looks like Buttgieg is a threat. As a gay man myself I can only wonder if he is Booty-licious enough to win. Right now I think he is the best chance.

Perhaps you’d like to correct the spelling.

 

I’m not sure what ‘threat’ Buttigieg is but the prospect of a gay candidate kicking Trump out of the WH is rather pleasing.

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On 2/12/2020 at 10:18 AM, JHolmesJr said:

 

She is reportedly one of the nastiest people you can work for.

At least Trump will just say, <deleted> you're fired.

She publicly humiliates staffers: from NYT:

 

"In private, she could deliver slashing remarks without particular provocation. Parched one day in the Capitol, she turned to a member of her team and said, “I would trade three of you for a bottle of water,” according to a person who witnessed it."

 

 

Old news and also a sexist attack.

Nobody would bat an eye at a male politician being an A-hole to his staff on occasion. 

They would say he's demanding. 

This is typical of the challenges women face. They're either too weak or if they show strength they're B words.

In any case I don't think that old news matters.

It's how she presents to the public and the public is beginning to fall in love with her.

Also all candidates have some negatives. You could fill several books with 45s. If all the opposition has on Klobuchar is that she's an A-hole boss to her inner circle, well, in the sum of things, that almost nothing. 

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15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Some will. But some will also flood to Klobuchar because Klobuchar is a much more credible candidate to take on 45. Mayor of a small city? Gimme a break. 

I dont know what you're getting so excited....she's getting trounced in NH.

Guess no one likes a nasty woman who's only pitch is orange man bad.

 

Guess the Dem voters like radical free stuff Bernie more.

who would have thought? ????

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11 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

I dont know what you're getting so excited....she's getting trounced in NH.

Guess no one likes a nasty woman who's only pitch is orange man bad.

 

Guess the Dem voters like radical free stuff Bernie more.

who would have thought? ????

She's not getting trounced. She has emerged now from a 2nd or 3rd tier contender for the democratic nomination into the TOP tier. 

 

Also you misrepresent her message. Perhaps a sign the 45 cult of personality followers might be seeing the emergence of someone that can beat 45 soundly by "stealing" a lot of his previous voters, as she has already proven she can do and do massively in her home state.

 

Anyway, it's early and Amy is definitely in it, among others of course.

 

 

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42 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Some will. But some will also flood to Klobuchar because Klobuchar is a much more credible candidate to take on 45. Mayor of a small city? Gimme a break. 

Stranger things have happened, like your President.

 

The only person that can beat him is someone who is not of the ‘swamp’. It is that simple and visceral.   Trump will pull the rest to pieces - and it pains me to say that. 

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Sanders narrowly wins New Hampshire Democratic primary, Biden lags badly

By John Whitesides and Amanda Becker

 

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Democratic U.S. presidential candidate Senator Bernie Sanders is accompanied by his wife Jane O’Meara Sanders as he arrives to speak at his New Hampshire primary night rally in Manchester, N.H., U.S., February 11, 2020. REUTERS/Rick Wilking

 

MANCHESTER, N.H. - Bernie Sanders narrowly won New Hampshire's Democratic presidential primary on Tuesday, solidifying his front-runner status in the nominating race and dealing a setback to moderate rival Joe Biden, who appeared likely to finish a disappointing fifth.

 

Sanders, a progressive senator from neighbouring Vermont, fended off attacks from rivals who warned his far-left views would lead the party to defeat in the Nov. 3 election against Republican President Donald Trump.

 

“Let me take this opportunity to thank the people of New Hampshire for a great victory tonight,” Sanders told supporters in Manchester, New Hampshire.

 

Moderate Pete Buttigieg, the 38-year-old former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, was in second place after edging out Sanders in last week's chaotic and disputed first nominating contest in Iowa. Both campaigns have asked for a partial recanvass of Iowa results.

 

It was also a good night for Senator Amy Klobuchar, who rode a wave of momentum from a strong debate on Friday into an apparent third-place finish.

 

Biden, the former vice president who was once the front-runner in the Democratic race, limped to his second consecutive poor finish after placing fourth in Iowa. He is certain to face growing questions about his campaign's viability and his ability to consolidate moderate support against a surging Buttigieg and Klobuchar.

 

Biden fared poorly in two previous runs for president before winning election in 2008 as President Barack Obama's No. 2. He hopes to stay afloat this time until the Feb. 29 contest in South Carolina and a series of contests in other Southern states on Super Tuesday on March 3, where his support among African Americans will be a strength.

 

Without strong showings there, his race could be over.

 

"It ain't over, man. It's just getting started," Biden told supporters in South Carolina.

 

U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren, a progressive ally of Sanders who was considered a favourite in New Hampshire three months ago, also had a bad night. She finished fourth, and also will face questions about her continued viability.

 

The results began to thin the field of Democrats seeking the right to take on Trump in the Nov. 3 election, with businessman Andrew Yang and Senator Michael Bennet dropping out after it became clear they would finish well out of the running. CBS News reported that Deval Patrick, the former Massachusetts governor, would drop out on Wednesday.

 

(Reporting by John Whitesides, James Oliphant, Simon Lewis, Michael Martina and Amanda Becker in New Hampshire, and Doina Chiacu and Ginger Gibson in Washington; Writing by John Whitesides; Editing by Peter Cooney)

 

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