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12 hours ago, DaRoadrunner said:

Bear in mind that your local Mazda dealer may farm out the job to some back street garage.

Bear in mind that the insurer will decide where it gets repaired, not the dealer.

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12 hours ago, roufma said:

I can share your frustration. My insurance company, the market leader of the country who is charging me the most expensive insurance for the last three years refused to arrange a rental for us or help me in negotiating with the condo admin for ensuring a rental. Quite ridiculous!! 

In your first thread on this subject you said that the insurer did offer you a replacement car!  You said...

"...they said they will only cover the repair cost and cant take any responsibility for the replacement car (unless, I agree to take the car which is badly damaged to one of their enlisted garage rather than to the dealer body shop). 

 

It's "quite ridiculous" that you now say it refused you a replacement car.

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12 hours ago, gunderhill said:
12 hours ago, roufma said:

I can share your frustration. My insurance company, the market leader of the country who is charging me the most expensive insurance for the last three years refused to arrange a rental for us or help me in negotiating with the condo admin for ensuring a rental. Quite ridiculous!! 

Welcome to the land of  no responsibility.

The insure did not refuse a replacement car (see his original thread on this subject) and it is not the insurer's responsibility to negotiate an alternative replacement on his behalf.

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13 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

unless, I agree to take the car which is badly damaged to one of their enlisted garage

The person/business paying for the repair has the right to chose the business who does the repair. Normally you are asked to get three quotes? 

 

If the policy does not specifically state "rental" car then...

 

 

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21 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:
36 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

unless, I agree to take the car which is badly damaged to one of their enlisted garage

The person/business paying for the repair has the right to chose the business who does the repair. Normally you are asked to get three quotes?

"The person/business paying for the repair has the right to chose the business who does the repair".

That will be the insurer, the OP will not be paying.

 

"Normally you are asked to get three quotes?"

You think?  I've had three substantial repairs done here through Viriyah and I was never asked to get three quotes.  The insurer does all that because it's agent is there on the spot.

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Some insurance ask if you want a repair at one of "their" appointed repairers or your own, the premium goes up for your own..

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48 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

That will be the insurer,

Exactly but the OP would appear to have taken the car to Mazda?

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2 hours ago, Just Weird said:

In your first thread on this subject you said that the insurer did offer you a replacement car!  You said...

"...they said they will only cover the repair cost and cant take any responsibility for the replacement car (unless, I agree to take the car which is badly damaged to one of their enlisted garage rather than to the dealer body shop). 

 

It's "quite ridiculous" that you now say it refused you a replacement car.

not at the cost of agreeing to take it to a back street garage!

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22 hours ago, roufma said:
On 2/13/2020 at 12:29 PM, Just Weird said:

In your first thread on this subject you said that the insurer did offer you a replacement car!  You said...

"...they said they will only cover the repair cost and cant take any responsibility for the replacement car (unless, I agree to take the car which is badly damaged to one of their enlisted garage rather than to the dealer body shop). 

 

It's "quite ridiculous" that you now say it refused you a replacement car.

not at the cost of agreeing to take it to a back street garage!

Viriyah made no suggestion that it would be taken to "a back street garage" and the truth is that most repairs are completed by non-dealers at body shops that are reputable and approved.

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On 2/13/2020 at 12:01 AM, Kwasaki said:

Yes.

A true statement.

However, would it be a competent and effective repair, in continuance with structural integrity?

If you repair the damage by auspice of your own insurance, there's at least an element of control on your part.

Abrogating that responsibility to an unknown entity wouldn't be my recommendation.

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32 minutes ago, alacrity said:

A true statement.

However, would it be a competent and effective repair, in continuance with structural integrity?

If you repair the damage by auspice of your own insurance, there's at least an element of control on your part.

Abrogating that responsibility to an unknown entity wouldn't be my recommendation.

It's roof damage, the roof section can be replaced and alignment of doors can be re-achieved. 

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I think it is repairable but roofs can be tough.  It is hard to push the roof up without proper hydraulic extensions which a good repair shop should have.  You need to be careful what you are pushing against, and it is easy to deform or damage the car floor or whatever they are going to push up against unless you prepare and brace properly, lay some 2x4s or metal all across the floor pans to push up against, etc.  My faith in such Thai thoroughness and advance planning is low.   On the other side it is hard to pull up and shape the roof with dent pullers, slappers, etc.  Thai labor may be cheap enough for them to say the repair cost does not exceed the car value, in which case they will only authorize to repair it.  The door and window "joints" will probably never look or work quite as good as new unless the body repair shop is very very good.  Lots of bondo and they can make the roof look smooth cosmetically.    It is not a 2 1/2 month job, but definitely not a two day job either. 

 

   A couple of days to bend and straighten, tack weld where needed. Door jam and hinges are probably a bit out of whack and those can be a pain to get straight as new again.  Order the replacement glass, assuming the window risers and electrics are OK.  Line up and fine tune the door jam, window gaskets, etc.  Roof interior, roof liner will need work, and maybe a little electrical work for dome light and what not.  Then lots of bodywork, then re paint the entire roof, and for color matching probably the entire car.  Oil can nature of the roof can be tricky.

 

It will take some teamwork i.e. more than one person working to pop up and straighten and align things.

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You do not "push up" the roof. You cut out all the damaged section and weld in a repair section which in the case will be the whole rear half of the roof. 

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17 hours ago, Lancashirelad said:

You do not "push up" the roof. You cut out all the damaged section and weld in a repair section which in the case will be the whole rear half of the roof. 

Nope

 

On 2/14/2020 at 10:28 PM, gk10002000 said:

I think it is repairable but roofs can be tough.  It is hard to push the roof up without proper hydraulic extensions which a good repair shop should have.  You need to be careful what you are pushing against, and it is easy to deform or damage the car floor or whatever they are going to push up against unless you prepare and brace properly, lay some 2x4s or metal all across the floor pans to push up against, etc.  My faith in such Thai thoroughness and advance planning is low.   On the other side it is hard to pull up and shape the roof with dent pullers, slappers, etc.  Thai labor may be cheap enough for them to say the repair cost does not exceed the car value, in which case they will only authorize to repair it.  The door and window "joints" will probably never look or work quite as good as new unless the body repair shop is very very good.  Lots of bondo and they can make the roof look smooth cosmetically.    It is not a 2 1/2 month job, but definitely not a two day job either. 

 

   A couple of days to bend and straighten, tack weld where needed. Door jam and hinges are probably a bit out of whack and those can be a pain to get straight as new again.  Order the replacement glass, assuming the window risers and electrics are OK.  Line up and fine tune the door jam, window gaskets, etc.  Roof interior, roof liner will need work, and maybe a little electrical work for dome light and what not.  Then lots of bodywork, then re paint the entire roof, and for color matching probably the entire car.  Oil can nature of the roof can be tricky.

 

It will take some teamwork i.e. more than one person working to pop up and straighten and align things.

And Nope Again!

 

Proper way is swap entire roof panel. Front and rear windows and headlining come out. Detach roof where it was originally spot welded to the A, B and C posts and window frames. Left rear door will need frame straightening or new door, the rest of it will probably line up ok.

 

Straightening out the existing roof would be a Thai bodge.

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