British man launches Go Fund Me page to help with legal bills after fatal traffic accident in Thailand

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Shrewsbury man in plea for funds after death of pensioner in Thailand collision

By Keri Trigg | Shrewsbury | News

 

Clive Everall, 54, was teaching English in Thailand

 

A plasterer from Shropshire who hit a 77-year-old and killed him while riding his motorbike in Thailand is appealing for help to pay his legal bills so he can return home.

 

Clive Everall, 54, from Shrewsbury, had been teaching English at a school in the country.

 

He said the Thai authorities had accepted the incident was accidental, but when he had attempted to return to the UK he was arrested, and has since been asked to pay compensation to the man’s family.

 

Mr Everall had been volunteering in the country for four months when he hit the 77-year-old on January 29.

 

He had been teaching English at Uttaradit High School on the morning of the incident, and says he was fully sober and driving safely but “could not avoid” the man.

 

Mr Everall says he was told by police that he had not been at fault.

 

Full story: https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/local-hubs/shrewsbury/2020/02/13/shrewsbury-man-in-plea-for-funds-after-death-of-pensioner-in-thailand-collision/

 

-- Shropshire Star 2020-02-14

[CelticBhoy]

A better photo with the article may garner some sympathy, methinks.

 

[bkk6060]

I can see this type of accident happening here.

And of course he needs to pay.

Good luck to him sure hope his fellow Brits come thru with sufficient donations.

[scubascuba3]

missing information as usual i.e. did the police try to negotiate compensation to the mans family at the time, maybe the Brit just ignored demands

[sammieuk1]

Looks like he is doing the right thing but when money is smelt it may never be enough when the relatives start demanding good luck ???? 

[BobbyL]

They love blood money here. Even if he is in the clear they still won't let up it seems. 

[Surelynot]

Insurance??? 

[Moonlover]

So what's the compulsory insurance for then if it's not for compensating 3rd parties?

[RotBenz8888]

19 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

Looks like he is doing the right thing but when money is smelt it may never be enough when the relatives start demanding good luck ???? 

And I bet there are more people "behind the scene" that want their share of the 200 000b cake....

[richard_smith237]

If he’s not being charged with an offense, I don’t see what legal reason they (the BiB) have to keep him here. 
It seems there is a lot missing from this story. 

[steven100]

is he going to finish that bottle of beer

[sammieuk1]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

If he’s not being charged with an offense, I don’t see what legal reason they (the BiB) have to keep him here. 
It seems there is a lot missing from this story. 

Money and an easy target by the sound of it ????

[Roy Baht]

If you read the full story (of course it's his version) it sounds like he's being railroaded:

 

He was told by police he was not at fault.

Then he was called to the police station and told to pay compensation.

He was told to go back home raise funds, come back and renegotiate with the family.

Then he was stopped at the airport and detained.

He refused to sign paperwork (in Thai) he did not understand

Then he said he was "tagged on the leg" (I assume an ankle bracelet) with an appointment to appear in court next Wednesday.

 

The very first thing this guy (or anyone else in his situation) should have done is call a lawyer.

 

His gofundme page for legal funds is: https://www.gofundme.com/f/ukcsz-help-me-get-home

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 14, 2020 by Roy Baht

[Peterw42]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

If he’s not being charged with an offense, I don’t see what legal reason they (the BiB) have to keep him here. 
It seems there is a lot missing from this story. 

There is a court date/summons, then there must be charges. As you say, a lot of missing information

[Preacher]

Volunteering? I understood he was employed.

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

If he’s not being charged with an offense, I don’t see what legal reason they (the BiB) have to keep him here. 
It seems there is a lot missing from this story. 

You remember how OJ dodged the bullet in the CRIMINAL case but came a cropper in the CIVIL one?

 

Same same... but different.

[Youlike]

Why the insurance doesn't pay? Did he have a driverslicense?

[monkfish]

In Thailand It's normal to pay compensation to the family in case of death and even if it's not your fault and even if the insurance pays out and it's better to negotiate out of court.
It's the way things are done here my wife tells me 100-200k is the acceptable amount.
If you don't pay compensate the family will probably sue and you could end up like this.
it's not only Farang thing but also happens to Thai's.

 

[Grumpy John]

It's a screwed up system!   I understand if it's a worker the Thai family rely on for their income but a 77 year old is unlikely to be holding done a 9 to 5 job.  Part time maybe.  

[rgrdns]

I wonder how one even negotiate the compensation outside the court....who decides/sets the final price RTP?

There must be a law with a minimum and maximum compensation?

Any input?

[geriatrickid]

As I understand the facts, the man was driving his motorbike and he hit a pedestrian who was crossing the road.

Sorry folks, even if he was driving within the limit and "safely", the driver of a vehicle will almost always be held responsible. Yes, I believe it was an accident, but it does not relieve the man of his liability.

 

The question asked is where is his insurance? Well, where is it? I expect he rented  a motorbike from an entity that did not provide the insurance. Elsewhere, the vehicle owner is liable for what happens with its vehicle. Why isn't the vehicle owner involved?  I do sympathize and I wouldn't be surprised if the owner of the vehicle is Thai and it's smiles all around as the UK  guy gets tossed to the dogs.

[monkfish]

5 minutes ago, rgrdns said:

I wonder how one even negotiate the compensation outside the court....who decides/sets the final price RTP?

There must be a law with a minimum and maximum compensation?

Any input?

100-200k is the norm but if you are super rich more will be expected but you can always let a Court Judge decide.

[monkfish]

9 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

As I understand the facts, the man was driving his motorbike and he hit a pedestrian who was crossing the road.

Sorry folks, even if he was driving within the limit and "safely", the driver of a vehicle will almost always be held responsible. Yes, I believe it was an accident, but it does not relieve the man of his liability.

 

The question asked is where is his insurance? Well, where is it? I expect he rented  a motorbike from an entity that did not provide the insurance. Elsewhere, the vehicle owner is liable for what happens with its vehicle. Why isn't the vehicle owner involved?  I do sympathize and I wouldn't be surprised if the owner of the vehicle is Thai and it's smiles all around as the UK  guy gets tossed to the dogs.

Even if the insurance pays you will also be expected to pay something from your own pocket as well i you refuse you'll probably be sued.
If the bike has road tax then it has basic insurance which will be paid out in the event of death.

[Bassosa]

He's an English teacher but by the looks of the GoFundMe-page he's not a native speaker/writer. How does that work?

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 minutes ago, Bassosa said:

He's an English teacher but by the looks of the GoFundMe-page he's not a native speaker/writer. How does that work?

Not sure I'd go so far as to say he doesn't sound like a native speaker but for an English teacher he shows a shockingly poor grasp of punctuation and grammar. Maybe he was only teaching conversational English but I would pity any Thai taught to write English by him.

[AllThaiedUp]

Clearly he is a good man. He loves birds

[FritsSikkink]

So what about his insurance when riding a bike?

[Yadon Toploy]

5 minutes ago, AllThaiedUp said:

Clearly he is a good man. He loves birds

That is what brought many of us here in the first place.

[rgrdns]

1 hour ago, monkfish said:

100-200k is the norm but if you are super rich more will be expected but you can always let a Court Judge decide.

Thx...one of the reasons I avoid as much as I can to drive a car or motorcycle here, a scary thought if it happens to you!

[mick220675]

when my wife's grandmother was hit and killed by a drunk motorcyclist, the police told the family you can go to court and get nothing or accept money the drunk driver was offering.

 

Negotiations started at 20,000 and finished at 50,000. It was agreed as she was 80 years old her life was worth no more than 50,000 baht as the drunk had damaged his bike running over the old woman.