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Is it common practice for a Thai government employee to "purchase" their work contracts?

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I am married to a Thai woman who works as an administrator in an elementary school in Bangkok. She wants to transfer to Roi Et to be closer to our 6 month old daughter who is being cared for by her mother. The problem is that she must purchase a 20 year contract for 250,000 baht. This is for a job that pays 200,000 annually. Is this normal practice? If so, then how does any regular Thai afford it? Are there any workarounds for this? Are there shorter contracts perhaps (for less money)?

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i knew an american/thai couple, the thai lady's education, up to doctorate level, had been paid for/subsidised by the dept. of education and she had to work X years before she could change her job. i do know her american bf, and later husband, paid to get her out of that commitment, so it does/can happen. i'm afraid i dont know how much it cost but i guess there will be some sliding scale based on amount loaned and time already worked

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I would see  250k as a real bargain for anyone who loves his kid and wants to take care of her himself. I'd try to bargain down a bit, but not to the extent where I'd run the risk to lose a golden opportunity.

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5 minutes ago, samsensam said:

 

i knew an american/thai couple, the thai lady's education, up to doctorate level, had been paid for/subsidised by the dept. of education and she had to work X years before she could change her job.

I don't think that's the case here. My wife is 40 (so any debt should be covered by now) and actually began her career in Roi Et before transferring to Bangkok. The Bangkok contract was for 6 years and expired last summer. She has stayed thus far in Bangkok at her current boss's request. I guess I need to ask her if she had to purchase the Bangkok contract. This was before I met her.

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2 minutes ago, Boomer6969 said:

I would see  250k as a real bargain for anyone who loves his kid and wants to take care of her himself. I'd try to bargain down a bit, but not to the extent where I'd run the risk to lose a golden opportunity. 

Oh we will pay. It will be cheaper in the long run...lol. At the prices I'm paying Air Asia for weekend flights we will break even in about 1.5 years. 🤔

 

My main concerns are whether this is normal practice and if so then is the price justified. 250,000 contract price for a 200,000 per year job seems high to me. That's 15 months earnings. How would any normal Thai be able to pay that? 

 

 

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Afaik there are two types of government workers in Thailand, "temporary" and "regular" ones.

The "regular workers" have a job with the government guaranteed for life, and have to do a request somewhere in this system if they want to work somewhere else, so that they will be transferred to the new location if there is a job available.

The "temporary workers" are basically like any person working in a private company, they have a contract and if this contract should be finished and not extended they are without a job, so i guess your wife is into such a temporary employment situation.

The 250k is pure corruption, so this is of course negotiable. You will have to compare it to what she could earn in a private company, take into account the job security and so on and decide what makes sense. That people pay for government jobs is quite common, but usually these people expect to get more money through "tips" than they paid for the position.

 

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10 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

I have moved this from general topics where it did not belong to one covering jobs, business etc, as it is the closest I could offer without closing you down.

It is not for no reason that the global transparency index rates Thailand poorly on corruption and graft, and this seems the sort of thing that has become endemic in society. Sadly, all the time people pay it, it renews the cycle.

I strongly suspect a job, if indeed she really needs the money, could be found once back in Roi Et, at a decent salary, without the outgoings and 20 year commitment, for a similar sort of money. Good Luck regardless.

 

Thank you. I didn't know which forum was appropriate.

 

About the money, it's not really important. I've already told her she could quit working but I understand that's not something she would even consider. The biggest drawback in my view would be the loss of her medical benefits.

 

I am assuming that most of her coworkers/friends from 6 years ago will still be there when she returns. This is probably part of her incentive to stay in her current position/niche.

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10 minutes ago, samran said:

It’s out and out corruption. But yes, people purchase promotions usually with a view for the new position to pay it back. 

This is a lateral move. Her salary will not change. 

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Ok. Just spoke to my wife and she did not have to purchase a contract when she moved to Bangkok 6 years ago. 🤔

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10 hours ago, shootrrdave said:

This is a lateral move. Her salary will not change. 

 

9 hours ago, shootrrdave said:

Ok. Just spoke to my wife and she did not have to purchase a contract when she moved to Bangkok 6 years ago. 🤔

Someone clearly believes there is some sort of upside for you wife - salary or otherwise - and is willing to leverage and monetize that. 

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53 minutes ago, samran said:

 

Someone clearly believes there is some sort of upside for you wife - salary or otherwise - and is willing to leverage and monetize that. 

The cynical side of me thinks they found out about her American husband. We're all rich, don't you know?

 

Jokes on them. I ain't got that kind of cash laying around. I'm just a self-employed long haul truck driver. It takes me 3 months to come up with enough extra to spend the next month in Thailand and when I go home I'm broke and have to start all over again.

 

She is going to have to sell some (maybe all) of the gold I have managed to buy her over the last 5 years. This includes her Sin Sot from the wedding a little over a year ago. 

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The RTP sell their commissions for the lucrative nightclub areas of Thailand where the "brown envelopes" are collected every month,

The "bid fees" are well into 8 figures 

Where & how this money ends up along with the monthly income or "divi" process I have no idea

 

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Feudal corruption.. pay for a job and work free for a year or so.. maybe a promotion.. pay more.. it stinks..

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