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Goal: to enter Thailand on non-Imm category O family visa then convert it into a marriage based extension while in Thailand.

Question: ways of legalizing the foreign marriage prior to entering Thailand to minimize legal headaches when inside Thailand and following steps to satisfy the extension requirements.

 

I'm pretty clear on what needs to be done to authenticate a U.S. marriage certificate at the Thai consulate in LA.

1. Marriage certificate must be certified by Secretary of State.

then

2. Marriage certificate must be certified by Department of State to satisfy the so-called two step process.

then

3. Marriage certificate must be translated into Thai (no mention of the translator credential requirements)

Upon completion of all the above the Thai consulate will stamp the translated marriage certificate with an official seal making it acceptable for Thai government agencies.

 

I'd like to receive some guidance on the follow-up process when in Thailand.

What needs to be done to make the above-mentioned marriage certificate to satisfy the marriage extension requirements.

Thank you.

 

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4 minutes ago, unheard said:

I'd like to receive some guidance on the follow-up process when in Thailand.

What needs to be done to make the above-mentioned marriage certificate to satisfy the marriage extension requirements.

You take the legalised Marriage certificate and translation to your local Amphur who will register the foreign marriage. For subsequent extensions based on marriage, your Immigration office will probably want a copy of your marriage certificate and an updated Kor Ror 22 from the Amphur.

 

What is a Kor Ror 22?

It's a certificate of marriage registration and only issued if there is no record of divorce since the marriage was registered. In other words your still legally married.

A Kor Ror 22 is issued for foreign registered marriages, a Kor Ror 2 for marriages in Thailand.

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3 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

You take the legalised Marriage certificate and translation to your local Amphur who will register the foreign marriage. For subsequent extensions based on marriage, your Immigration office will probably want a copy of your marriage certificate and an updated Kor Ror 22 from the Amphur.

Are the legalized Marriage certificate and its stamped by the consulate translation only documents required to register a foreign marriage at the local Amphur?

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40 minutes ago, unheard said:

Are the legalized Marriage certificate and its stamped by the consulate translation only documents required to register a foreign marriage at the local Amphur?

Not that I have ever done what you are doing, but I would suspect that once you have your US-based marriage certificate translated to Thai, that you would need to have it legalized/certified at the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MoFA) on Chaengwattana Road, Bangkok... before going to the Amphur. A trip to the US Consulate may also be required prior to the visit to the MoFA.

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58 minutes ago, Gumballl said:

Not that I have ever done what you are doing, but I would suspect that once you have your US-based marriage certificate translated to Thai, that you would need to have it legalized/certified at the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MoFA) on Chaengwattana Road, Bangkok... before going to the Amphur. A trip to the US Consulate may also be required prior to the visit to the MoFA.

Well, that's pretty much the dilemma I'm having at the moment and the reason for seeking out a concrete info on the process.

I'm gonna be spending lots of time and effort dealing with the certification process via the American agencies in order to bring the American Marriage Certificate up to the Thai's LA consulate acceptance standards just to get it stamped with the official Thai seal making it a legal document in Thailand.

My understanding is that by doing all this I should be able to bypass a trip to the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the trip to the US Consulate while in Thailand.

If it's not the case then what's the purpose of the Thai Consulates' official seal?

Doesn't it make the document officially acceptable in Thailand and ready for registration at the local Amphur?

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1 hour ago, unheard said:

If it's not the case then what's the purpose of the Thai Consulates' official seal?

I checked the embassy's and consulate's websites and see no mention of a translation being required to get the documents authenticated by them.

See: https://thaiconsulatela.org/home_th/services-for-thais_th/legalization_th/authentication-of-us-documents_th/

You will need to have the translations done here and then have them certified by the Department of Consular Affairs Department of the MFA in Bangkok.

 

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How about this link?

https://thaiconsulatela.org/en/services-for-thais/legalization/certified-translations/

I don't see anything preventing me (after passing through two stages of authentication as required by them) from submitting the marriage certificate for translation and then authentication?

Unless I'm missing something ...

Will try to email the consulate.

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On that page it states this.

"The document must be submitted in full. Summaries or brief excerpts will not be accepted. The translator will certify official translations with a signature."

 

That will not be enough to satisfy a Amphoe. They will require it to be certified by the Consular Affairs Department.

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ubonjoe,

 

hmm... Now it made me thinking If I should proceed with a marriage based extension.

May I ask if you could list documents required for the extension of stay based on being the parent of a Thai?

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1 hour ago, unheard said:

hmm... Now it made me thinking If I should proceed with a marriage based extension.

May I ask if you could list documents required for the extension of stay based on being the parent of a Thai?

There is a easier way to get your US marriage certificate verified that will be accepted by an Amphoe. You can do a self certification if it by doing a affidavit at the US embassy stating it is a true, correct and valid document. Then having your marriage certificate and the affidavit translated to Thai and then have the translation certified by the Consular Affairs Department. A translation service can do both the translation and then have it certified at the Consular Affairs Department.

Where was you child born at? If the US have you you registered their birth at the embassy or the consulate to get a Thai birth certificate? 

You may find it is equal to or more complicated to apply for an extension based upon being the parent of a Thai as marriage.

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Regarding the child.

She was born in the U.S.,

got the Thai passport already but we've haven't specifically registered the birth at the consulate.

 

Regarding the U.S. marriage certificate acceptance by an Amphoe.

By the consular Affairs Department, do you mean the Consulate in Los Angeles?

If the self certification process could be done at the Consulate and then accepted by an Amphoe along with the translated marriage certificate then that's exactly the result that I've hoped to achieve.

My goal is to get done as much as possible here in the U.S., so preferably I won't have a need to travel to Bangkok after the arrival.

I'll be close enough to Chiang Mai though so as not to be a huge problem.

Wanna avoid traveling in Thailand unless absolutely necessary.

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4 minutes ago, unheard said:

got the Thai passport already but we've haven't specifically registered the birth at the consulate.

They would not of gotten the Thai passport without a Thai birth certificate issued by the consulate in LA that is part of the birth registration.

What needs to be done now here is for you child to be registered in a house book to get a Thai ID number at an Amphoe. The house book registry would be required by immigration.

 

8 minutes ago, unheard said:

Regarding the U.S. marriage certificate acceptance by an Amphoe.

By the consular Affairs Department, do you mean the Consulate in Los Angeles?

If the self certification process could be done at the Consulate and then accepted by an Amphoe along with the translated marriage certificate then that's exactly the result that I've hoped to achieve.

I have edited my post to add that that the affidavit is done at the US embassy in Bangkok or the consulate in Chiang Mai.

The Consular Affairs Department in Bangkok is the only place that a translation can be certified.

 

13 minutes ago, unheard said:

I'll be close enough to Chiang Mai though so as not to be a huge problem.

Wanna avoid traveling in Thailand unless absolutely necessary.

You can do the self certification affidavit at the US consulate in Chiang Mai.

I am sure you can find a translation service in Chiang Mai that can do the translations and then the arrange certification of them by the Department  of Consular Affairs.

The certifications can also be done by mail. 

 

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9 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

They would not of gotten the Thai passport without a Thai birth certificate issued by the consulate in LA that is part of the birth registration.

What needs to be done now here is for you child to be registered in a house book to get a Thai ID number at an Amphoe. The house book registry would be required by immigration.

that would be no problem.

How about other qualifications?

I think I've read some place that I'd need to have a work permit and work in Thailand in order to support my child? I don't think if that is correct though..

 

 

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4 minutes ago, unheard said:

Would the Chiang Mai U.S. consulate work for that purpose?

And if there's no way to avoid traveling to Bangkok.....

Read my last post.

No problem to do it at the consulate in Chiang Mai.

Also no need to go to Bangkok for the translation certifications.

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