Popular Post lirans1 Posted February 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2020 hello i hope i can find here same help because i really dont know what to do so i was in Thailand 5 yer and i have Thai girl friend together we have 1 baby almost 2 yer old in number 4 of February immigration Catch me work without work permit i stay 8 night at idc jail (hell) in Bangkok and after flight to home country in air port immigration told me i have 99 yer black list i told him i have baby why like that ? he tell me you can or change your name and got new passport or talk with Thai embassy in my home country but not sure is can help me maybe someone here can tell me what is my options ? (sory abut my English ) 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Liverpudlian Posted February 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2020 Patience ? 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post albertik Posted February 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2020 Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. 12 2 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SteveK Posted February 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2020 Unless you've got lots of money, I doubt very much that there is much you can do other than live in a neighbouring country so that at least the wife and baby can come and visit you there. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DanielS Posted February 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2020 You can ask wife to take baby and come to your homecountry 13 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted February 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2020 I am not sure you actually have been banned for 99 years for working without a work permit. It is normally much less than that if any. You need to have somebody check with immigration here to confirm it. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lirans1 Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share Posted February 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: I am not sure you actually have been banned for 99 years for working without a work permit. It is normally much less than that if any. You need to have somebody check with immigration here to confirm it. yes that what tham told me thai embassy cannot help me ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 hour ago, lirans1 said: immigration Catch me work without work permit i stay 8 night at idc jail (hell) in Bangkok and after flight to home country in air port immigration told me i have 99 yer black list I always thought it was the labour department looking for illegal foreign workers? Don't they write the blacklist details in your passport? Story seems unlikely. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tayaout Posted February 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2020 If they put your fingerprints in the immigration biometric system then changing your name won't work. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaRoadrunner Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BritManToo said: I always thought it was the labour department looking for illegal foreign workers? Don't they write the blacklist details in your passport? Story seems unlikely. Agreed..... Story seems unlikely. I never heard of immigration getting involved with work permits either??? If true, he can change his name by Deed Poll (or have a solicitor do it), then get a new passport in his new name. Assuming they have not scanned your fingerprints? Edited February 15, 2020 by DaRoadrunner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritManToo Posted February 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Tayaout said: If they put your fingerprints in the immigration biometric system then changing your name won't work. You do understand the fingerprints are only linked to your passport number. To pick a random persons fingerprints and attach a name takes many hours of computer time. The only red flag would be raised if someone with different fingerprints tried to enter on your passport. (Assuming the scanners actually work) Edited February 15, 2020 by BritManToo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 11 hours ago, lirans1 said: yes that what tham told me thai embassy cannot help me ? Who told you about the 99 years? You wrote this that leads me to think it was immigration in your home country. 12 hours ago, lirans1 said: after flight to home country in air port immigration told me i have 99 yer black list A Thai embassy cannot help you with immigration problems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayaout Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 minute ago, BritManToo said: You do understand the fingerprints are only linked to your passport number. To pick a random persons fingerprints and attach a name takes many hours of computer time. The only red flag would be raised if someone with different fingerprints tried to enter on your passport. (Assuming the scanners actually work) It doesn't work like this. The system has been put in place to defeat fake passport. I'm not sure what implementation is used but if a database is too slow then a bloom filter can be used to search a huge amount of data instantly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post darksidedog Posted February 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2020 First off the bat, if what you have told us about yourself is correct, I agree with UbonJoe that a 99 year blacklist seems pretty unlikely. Regardless, you are able to appeal to the Ministry of the Interior a blacklisting when you are married to a Thai, or are the parent of a Thai child. I would recommend your wife/gf find a good lawyer to firstly check your actual immigration status, and to initiate an appeal if found to be necessary. Many in your situation have been sent home, but have been free to return on the next plane, and I have seen some do just that. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 23 minutes ago, lirans1 said: yes that what tham told me thai embassy cannot help me ? TIT (this is Thailand) just because an immigration officer told you something it doesn't automatically mean it is true. people are told untrue things or asked to do things that are not required all the time. Have someone Check with the immigration department to see if what you were told is true. I am not sure is an agent can do that for you, I have never used an agent, but it does not hurt to ask. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedemon Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 21 minutes ago, DaRoadrunner said: Agreed..... Story seems unlikely. I never heard of immigration getting involved with work permits either??? Even though Work Permits are issued by the Department of Labour, working without a WP is an offence against the Immigration Act as well as under the Alien Workers Act. Immigration as a division of the police have more teeth than the Labour Dept. I don't recall a raid on foreign workers without Work Permits that wasn't carried out by Immigration. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ventenio Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 I would like to hear what it's like in jail...........when you are less stressed. I do feel bad for the OP, sincerely bad since he has a kid. I'm at an age no where I realize the love of a child is 100000000000000x more powerful than anything on this planet. I joke a little bit, since I don't have kids. lol. But this is what I think. Yes, just move right across the border and get a plan there...... and best of luck. i don't care if this is a troll or not, because it's a REAL problem that can happen. OK, I don't buy the 99 year thing....but separated from your kid for 1 year would be devastating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovethai123 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 What does your girlfriend say about all this? Is she really worried now? What are the odds of taking her and your child in your home country and getting married to her as per your religious customs and getting the marriage registered with competent authorities. This should ensure a long term visa for your wife and about the child. I might sound dumb but do you have the birth certificate of your child and does it mention your name . This might help you in case you want to pursue the matter with the local Thai embassy. You first need to talk clearly to your girlfriend and explain to her that it's not possible for you now to live in Thailand. She must move to your country and get married or you can find a job in neighbouring countries like cambodia, Vietnam ,Laos, Myanmar , Malaysia etc. Flight fares are generally affordable and she can meet you often. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chickenslegs Posted February 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2020 32 minutes ago, lirans1 said: yes that what tham told me thai embassy cannot help me ? If you post a picture of the stamps in your passport that might help people to advise you. Ubonjoe has asked a very good question. Who told you that you are banned for 99 years? It sounds like you got that information from immigration in your own country, so it could be wrong. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Tayaout said: t doesn't work like this. The system has been put in place to defeat fake passport. I'm not sure what implementation is used but if a database is too slow then a bloom filter can be used to search a huge amount of data instantly. The FBI takes two hours to do a fingerprint search of it's database (55M). You're claiming Thai immigration can do it instantly with all foreigners that have ever entered? And there's 40M a year added to the Thai database. https://www.livescience.com/4843-reality-fingerprinting-tv-crime-labs.html Edited February 15, 2020 by BritManToo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaRoadrunner Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) 99 years.... sounds fishy to me. Most of us don't live that long! get a Thai lawyer to appeal on compassionate grounds as you support the Thai wife n kid? Or bring her to your country. If all else fails, there are those who simply walk in across the Cambodian border and have been here ever since without a Visa. Not recommended but when desperate...... Edited February 15, 2020 by DaRoadrunner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayaout Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BritManToo said: The FBI takes hours to do a fingerprint search for serious crimes. You're claiming Thai immigration can do it instantly with all foreigners that have ever entered? They use an older system. Some airport will pretty soon not need any passport or boarding pass anymore: https://gulfnews.com/uae/transport/new-biometric-system-at-dubai-airport-no-passport-or-boarding-pass-needed-1.66949849 Edited February 15, 2020 by Tayaout 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Just now, Tayaout said: They use an older system. Some airport will pretty soon not need any passport or boarding pass anymore: https://gulfnews.com/uae/transport/new-biometric-system-at-dubai-airport-no-passport-or-boarding-pass-needed-1.66949849 You believe Thailand can get any system to work (new or old) better than the FBI? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tayaout Posted February 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, BritManToo said: You believe Thailand can get any system to work (new or old) better than the FBI? I don't want to derail the thread but yes. I used to program this kind of software. An example is a computer antivirus software. It will match a file against hundred of millions of virus almost instantly. My guess is that the FBI use an older system that is difficult to upgrade, their data point are more complex or there is more bureaucracy involved (it takes them 3-5 days). Airport biometric system doesn't store the whole fingerprint, only a small amount of data point. Also don't forget Murphy law: computing power almost double every 18 months. Thai biometric system is probably a lot more recent than what the FBI use. Edited February 15, 2020 by Tayaout 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaRoadrunner Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 How about small land entry points, do they have fingerprint check? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cyril sneer Posted February 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 hours ago, lirans1 said: he tell me you can or change your name and got new passport good to know this, thanks 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 hour ago, BritManToo said: You do understand the fingerprints are only linked to your passport number. To pick a random persons fingerprints and attach a name takes many hours of computer time. The only red flag would be raised if someone with different fingerprints tried to enter on your passport. (Assuming the scanners actually work) Forgetting the picture they take always …. and now the face recognition thing …? First of all ...did he take legal recognition of the baby ? This could soften his case …? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolkandchance Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 I’m guessing his wife would not like it in the OP’s home country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, norfolkandchance said: I’m guessing his wife would not like it in the OP’s home country. Why not ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Salerno Posted February 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2020 39 minutes ago, Tayaout said: Also don't forget Murphy law: computing power almost double every 18 months. You mean Moore's law (which was about the number of transistors doubling) and no longer accurate. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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