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In regards to Thai immigration, is it possible for a 'farang' to travel abroad (Thailand to Europe) with a non related Thai minor (7yrs)?

 

The proposed plan, if possible, is for the Thai child to spend his school holidays in Europe with his Grandparents and that I would accompany him alone, on both his outbound and return flights. I have known the family for many years.

 

The child has a Thai passport, European Visa and letter of travel consent from his parents along with a letter from his Grandparents stating that he will be residing with them, during his vacation.

 

I am a European national that lives and works in Thailand.

 

Ideally, the parents would travel with their child, but due to work and cost implications that unfortunately, is not possible.

 

I have checked with the airline and they say that it is okay, as long as I have the aforementioned documents however, I want to check re the Thai immigration standpoint, prior to the travel date.

 

Both I and the family are aware of the Human trafficking issues and understand that all authorities need to combat this, for which they have our and I am sure all readers, their full support.

 

Has anyone had any experience or knowledge of such issue?

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13 minutes ago, dabhand said:

For Thai immigration clearance they accept a document signed by the local amphur that confirms the parents agreement to the travel arrangements. I  had to do this  (with my wife) when my son (i think he was 16/17 at the time) traveled overseas with an older friend. 

I have heard conflicting reports of what to do when one parent (usually the foreign parent) of a Thai child takes the child on an overseas trip. Some say nothing is needed, others state a signed document from the local amphur.

 

From my own enquiries, it appears that it's possible for a Thai mother to take her Thai child to a neighboring country on a border pass without the other parent (who may be Thai or a foreign national) and no documents are needed from the non-accompanying parent. Both the mother and her child(ren) can get a border pass by presenting the ID card of the parent and tabien baan and birth certificate of the child and that's it. Takes just a few minutes and allows a stay of between 1 and 14 days, depending on the country/border, each one having different rules depending on if your ID card says you're a local resident or you're from another part of the country, and the rules in place in the neighboring country.


Yet if one parent is a foreigner and the Thai parent does not accompany the child, said child can't get a border pass, not even with a power of attorney. The border pass office also doesn't know what immigration will say.

 

Do you know what the procedure is for a foreign national to take his Thai child across to Myanmar or Laos without the other parent? If the child travels on his/her Thai passport, a letter from the amphur and birth certificate? And no border pass option for the child (unless the child is at least 15)? Since Thai nationals normally aren't allowed to use their passports at some Myanmar border crossings if they just want to cross over for a day, that means a foreign parent wanting to visit Myawaddy or Tachilek on a day pass with his/her young child who is Thai, wouldn't be able bring their child along? Only if the child has a visa and is therefore allowed to use their passport?

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On 2/17/2020 at 10:38 AM, spiekerjozef said:

What do you think yourself how it looks for an outsider?

How it looks ???

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On 2/17/2020 at 10:38 AM, spiekerjozef said:

What do you think yourself how it looks for an outsider?

Is this a problem for you!? Or a Problem of your phantasy..

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On 2/17/2020 at 11:06 AM, neeray said:

Only looks bad if one has a dirty or corrupt mind.

Or an enquiring mind as I'm sure many immigration officers do. There may not be a problem at the Thai departure side of things but arriving in Europe may be the difficult part. Hopefully the OP will come across an IO who is fluent in written Thai and confirms what the various letters say.

Personally I'd give this a wide berth. Airlines are well equipped and experienced handling unaccompanied minors travelling.

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I've often been travelling and seen a man with a child on the flight. Never gave it a second thought.

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On 2/17/2020 at 11:24 AM, drbeach said:

I have heard conflicting reports of what to do when one parent (usually the foreign parent) of a Thai child takes the child on an overseas trip. Some say nothing is needed, others state a signed document from the local amphur.

 

From my own enquiries, it appears that it's possible for a Thai mother to take her Thai child to a neighboring country on a border pass without the other parent (who may be Thai or a foreign national) and no documents are needed from the non-accompanying parent. Both the mother and her child(ren) can get a border pass by presenting the ID card of the parent and tabien baan and birth certificate of the child and that's it. Takes just a few minutes and allows a stay of between 1 and 14 days, depending on the country/border, each one having different rules depending on if your ID card says you're a local resident or you're from another part of the country, and the rules in place in the neighboring country.


Yet if one parent is a foreigner and the Thai parent does not accompany the child, said child can't get a border pass, not even with a power of attorney. The border pass office also doesn't know what immigration will say.

 

Do you know what the procedure is for a foreign national to take his Thai child across to Myanmar or Laos without the other parent? If the child travels on his/her Thai passport, a letter from the amphur and birth certificate? And no border pass option for the child (unless the child is at least 15)? Since Thai nationals normally aren't allowed to use their passports at some Myanmar border crossings if they just want to cross over for a day, that means a foreign parent wanting to visit Myawaddy or Tachilek on a day pass with his/her young child who is Thai, wouldn't be able bring their child along? Only if the child has a visa and is therefore allowed to use their passport?

Not really much help for the OP who is inquiring about flying to Europe, not crossing into Myanmar!!

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On 2/17/2020 at 3:36 PM, neeray said:

Only looks bad if one has a dirty or corrupt mind.

Well that's easy to say but it's always possible ignorant people (ignorant of the actual relationship) will say things.

 

I know from 2 real experiences:

 

1. My own Thai son (I am his legal father, his biological mother is 100% Thai), his facial appearance is quite Thai and several times over many years people made ignorant even insulting comments about me being a pedophile. 

 

When this happened, I spoke to them in Thai (where the comment had come from a Thai person) and showed my passport pic on my phone and his passport pic on my phone, highlighting that we have the same family name. 

 

On most occasions we quickly got lots of apologies, then the loudmouth quickly disappeared.

 

2. Today I often take 1 or all of my 3 Thai granddaughters to school, many times comments same as above, but often with a further comment about my wife being a prostitute. Show the passport pics, highlight the same family name, and again a quick apology and they flee.

 

 

 

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On 2/17/2020 at 11:36 AM, neeray said:

Only looks bad if one has a dirty or corrupt mind.

Or if you care about children being trafficked 

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1 hour ago, couchpotato said:

Not really much help for the OP who is inquiring about flying to Europe, not crossing into Myanmar!!

I'm asking for someone I know. Not everyone is interested in the procedures for flying - what about if you're crossing a land border? I ask because this is something that is almost never talked about.

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