candide Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Actually the regime that persecuted Niemöller was founded in lies, misinformation and hate. Which Facebook plays a significant role in spreading. Exactly. The Jews would certainly have welcomed a law against hate speech in German media at that time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, BritManToo said: I'm not sure anyone knows how the EU works. I don't rack my brain with it and don't feel as if I miss something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnapat Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 hours ago, damascase said: Congratulations with a very clear demonstration of your total ignorance of the EU and the way it works. Quite obviously one of the Brexit brigade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, candide said: As mentioned by Chomper, you have no idea of how the EU works. OK, maybe you can confirm exactly who in the EU decides what is hateful and what is valid criticism. What criteria do they use for such a decision. Also, how are they elected and removed from office by citizens of the EU if said citizens are not happy with their performance. Much thanks. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnapat Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 High time Zuckerberg and Facebook were taken down a few pegs. At least the EU have the guts to take it on. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, JonnyF said: OK, maybe you can confirm exactly who in the EU decides what is hateful and what is valid criticism. What criteria do they use for such a decision. Also, how are they elected and removed from office by citizens of the EU if said citizens are not happy with their performance. Much thanks. 1. Check the laws across the EU relating to hate speech for a definition of what would constitute the basis of any legal challenges (Those laws are promulgated by the individual member states). 2. The EU is asserting that it, not Facebook will set the terms of governance. Facebook have made proposals for self governance which the EU are rejection. Oddly, those complaining about the EU, or indeed any government governing these issues complaining about ‘Corporations’ doing the ‘governing’. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 20 minutes ago, rhyddid said: FB can overtrow EU anytime, the power of FB presently is too immense and shall be dramatically reduced. I’m sure FB could muscle individual states, but once again we see the collective power of the EU to challenge a very powerful multinational corporation. Oh wait.... The EU is a globalist puppet of big business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, JonnyF said: OK, maybe you can confirm exactly who in the EU decides what is hateful and what is valid criticism. What criteria do they use for such a decision. Also, how are they elected and removed from office by citizens of the EU if said citizens are not happy with their performance. Much thanks. It certainly doesn't work in the way he thinks it does. Here's a summary on how decisions are made https://europa.eu/european-union/eu-law/decision-making/procedures_en On such issues it would involve consultation of human rights organisations, media, member states, etc.. Then voted/amended by the Council of elected governments, then by elected European MPs. In case of alleged abuse, an appeal can be made to the European Court of Human Rights. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, candide said: It certainly doesn't work in the way he thinks it does. Here's a summary on how decisions are made https://europa.eu/european-union/eu-law/decision-making/procedures_en On such issues it would involve consultation of human rights organisations, media, member states, etc.. Then voted/amended by the Council of elected governments, then by elected European MPs. In case of alleged abuse, an appeal can be made to the European Court of Human Rights. Sounds glorious ????. I'll stick with Freedom of Speech thanks. You can let the media, human rights organizations, European MP's, the EU commission and the European Court of Human Rights decide what you can and cannot say. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jany123 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Tippaporn said: My talking points are neither left nor right but are the talking points of free men (and women) everywhere. Are they indeed? Talking points of free men? Yer right... Your criticizing the most democratic grouping of nations in the world, for not being democratic enough, whilst suggesting that standards from a country that is decimating its ability to effectively manage and implement standards, be adopted (or tolerated).... sort of like devolving to the lowest common denominator. this issue is also about quality control and oversight. The US has recently told the world what it thinks of oversight... it’s to bad that the most democratic grouping of nations cannot be as easily manipulated as your elected officials crikey.... yap yap yap unelected officials moan groan was Bill Barr elected?... sheesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micmichd Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 8 hours ago, ThaiBunny said: Every modern government has laws that are enforced by unelected bureaucrats, often through their own regulations. These include the EPA, various commissions enforcing electoral laws, the FCC and so on Every government has its limits, they are called borders. Facebook is not a European company. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Sounds glorious ????. I'll stick with Freedom of Speech thanks. You can let the media, human rights organizations, European MP's, the EU commission and the European Court of Human Rights decide what you can and cannot say. In most democratic countries, there is already a regulation against hate speech. The EU regulation will not change much about it. The issue here is not so much about regulating hate speech, It's more about holding Facebook responsible or not. In clear: when hate speech regulations are enfreigned, should Facebook be held responsible, or only the author (poster) of the speech? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damascase Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 hours ago, Tippaporn said: Sorry if I object to the concept of unelected bureaucrats. Are bureaucrats elected in your country? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I just checked it. Actually, there is already an EU directive on hate speech from 2018, building on previous member states' regulations, among others. So the issue at stake is wether Facebook should be held responsible, or only the author of the speech. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDark Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: I’m sure FB could muscle individual states, but once again we see the collective power of the EU to challenge a very powerful multinational corporation. Oh wait.... The EU is a globalist puppet of big business. That's the reason why EU exists. To have enough collective balls to say Fruit You to the abusive corporations. EU is actually pretty darn good thing to have around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Tippaporn said: Europe doesn't have a dictator. It has an entire commission of dictators. Must be maddening to be forcefully subjected to the diktats of unelected bureaucrats. Typical Brexiteer: 48 years their country was a member, but still… not the FAINTEST idea, how the EU is organised and works. One thing for sure: in the EU never ever ONE person as the PM in the UK, can force all to his/her demands, and fire whoever is not in line with her/his wishes, called: British democracy. Bye-the-way: are British civil servants elected ? No ! Same for UN, WHO, FIFA, WorldBank, Olympic comittee, and the members of the UK board of ministers, as are not elected on that position - but got at least one vote more as their opponents in their own barony - but are appointed thanks to 100% loyalty to whatever Mr Baboon decides. If he wants a £ 100 Bn statue in the middle of the by totally with explosives poluted Irish sea..so he gets it, whatever the British taxpayer has to sactifise for that. European Commission | Choose your language | Choisir une ... ec.europa.eu Find out more on how we use cookies and how you can change your settings. I accept cookies. I refuse cookies. European Commission logo. български ... European Commission | European Union - Europa EU europa.eu › about-eu › institutions-bodies › europ... EU executive arm, proposing legislation, and civil service, ... The European Commission is the EU's politically independent executive arm. European Commission - Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org › wiki › European_Commission The European Commission (EC) is the executive branch of the European Union, responsible for proposing legislation, implementing decisions, upholding the ... European Council | European Union - Europa EU europa.eu › about-eu › institutions-bodies › europ... Role: Defines the general political direction and priorities of the European Union; Members: Heads of state or government of EU countries, European Council ... European Council - Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org › wiki › European_Council The European Council (informally EUCO) is a collective body that defines the European Union's overall political direction and priorities. It comprises the heads ... Council of the European Union - Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Council_of_the_Europe... The Council of the European Union, often referred to in the treaties and other official documents simply as the Council and informally known as Council of ... Seats: 27 (1 per member-state) Edited February 18, 2020 by puipuitom 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer90210 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Without approving the EU diktat style, the giant GAFA's that rule the world now, need to be now and then put back into place and regulated. If not the powerful four, will get totally out of control and will gain more control on individuals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDark Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, puipuitom said: Typical Brexiteer: 48 years their country was a member, but still… not the FAINTEST idea, how the EU is organised and works. One thing for sure: in the EU never ever ONE person as the PM in the UK, can force all to his/her demands, and fire whoever is not in line with her/his wishes, called: British democracy. Bye-the-way: are British civil servants elected ? No ! Same for UN, WHO, FIFA, WorldBank, Olympic comittee, and the members of the UK board of ministers, as are not elected on that position - but got at least one vote more as their opponents in their own barony - but are appointed thanks to 100% loyalty to whatever Mr Baboon decides. If he wants a £ 100 Bn statue in the middle of the by totally with explosives poluted Irish sea..so he gets it, whatever the British taxpayer has to sactifise for that. Brexiteers don't even want to understand what services EU have been providing to them. Brexiteers simply want to be against all the benefits EU has provided to them over the years. Brexiteers are against all the reduction of restrictions, against all reduction of red tape. Brexiteers are the RED TAPE. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 9 hours ago, GeorgeCross said: and if they don't? EU goes back to its people and says no facebook for you proles. yeah, right A Brit who has any knowledge reaching further as the White Cliffs of Dover... Maybe.. EU companies are no longer allowed to advertise on Facebook ? In one hour, Mr Mark (Data-Star Track) Zuckerberg will follow EU rules, and stop giving any hate crime a podium. What happens in some areas of... Birmingham … is a British problem 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 hours ago, candide said: Exactly. The Jews would certainly have welcomed a law against hate speech in German media at that time. no further comment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 38 minutes ago, puipuitom said: Typical Brexiteer: <snip> I'm European. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheDark Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: I'm European. No you are not. You are Tippaporn and we all know it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Thierry is absolutely right. FB is completely out of control and Zuckerberg knows it. He was almost on his knees asking US authorities to please come up with regulatory measures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDark Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 41 minutes ago, wabothai said: Thierry is absolutely right. FB is completely out of control and Zuckerberg knows it. He was almost on his knees asking US authorities to please come up with regulatory measures. Zuckerberg has had multiple times ability to ask for help. He has not asked for help so far. It's rather straightforward operation for European ISP's to block Facebook, if so required. Couple simply lines to the DNS entries does the trick. I have done this on my private network as I do not wish Facebook to know where I am and which sites I access. There is the limit of access, any site should have. I'm also aware that Google and therefore CIA has pretty much all knowledge what sites and what keywords I use. Hi there, I'm happy you got employed! Each of us can reduce our footprint and which commercial sites are able to see what we do while online. I prefer to offer the true followers some occasional porn. NSA Kleenex usage for the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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