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21 hours ago, webfact said:

Democratic White House contenders Bernie Sanders and Michael Bloomberg stepped up their attacks on each other on Monday, with Sanders accusing the media mogul of trying to buy the election and Bloomberg saying the senator and his fervent supporters were hurting the party.

Bloomberg should be more concerned about the country and less concerned with the Party. 

 That's how the corruption of good people on both sides of the isle starts. The idea that you can't get to the dance without the "party" and all the compromises to stay on the good side of the "party" and before you know it, you don't even recognize yourself, you look in the mirror and all you see is "party". 

You are in the "Bubble" 

The "Party" is not changing Sanders, he still says the same thing he said 2016. Sanders is changing the party, 

and with luck he will live long enough to change the country. To all of you who don't think the country needs changing Vote Bloomberg.  

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10 hours ago, OZinPattaya said:

 

 

My moderate, centrist and staunchly democratic father, who hates Trump with absolute fervor--complete and incurable Trump derangement syndrome--STILL never will vote for Sanders. Ever! That should tell you something about 2020. I mean, come 2020, he just won't show up to the polls. If a radical from the dem party is the candidate. 

Thanks for sharing with the poll of the possibly imaginary Daddy!

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24 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Who'd a though it eh?  a white billionaire Dem buying the election which is not hypocritical of the Dems at all of course ROFL

I recalled that the finest President of my lifetime, President Kennedy was from one of the wealthiest families at the time. I don't believe a canidate is judged from thier wealth by the Democratics!

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21 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

Three bores - Bernie, Bloomberg and Butt****. If ends up as Bloomberg vs. Trump it can at least be billed "the Actual Billionaire vs. the Fake Billionaire"

Won't it be classed as

"once a Republican, then an Independent and when that didn't work now a Democrat" vs Trump?

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2 hours ago, TheAppletons said:

  No, they deride the opposition for being wealthy.  Their own wealth well....harrumph....advocates for the poor....harrumph.

 

  Also...did you die and come back to life?  Were you not alive during the Reagan presidency?

Thank you for the nice complements about my youthful looking age. Reagan was my Govenor. He was by no means a great President. I see that sort of claim about the a wealth issue quite the biased attack and ignore it. Empathy for the poor is not the same as a disdain to monatary success. 

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17 hours ago, TheDark said:

I don't get it why people think Sanders is waayyy left?

 

He is simply promoting society's need to care for it's members. 

 

Think of the military doctrine, no man is left behind. Is there something wrong with that ideology?

 

Now expand your view to a wholesome society which thinks in the similar terms, no man is to be left behind. That military ideology sounds pretty much utopist, doesn't it?

 

That's actual communism. Not even socialism, which is what you can experience in police and fire department forces.  

 

So why the societies we live in, must be so different than the brotherhood experiences in the military or fire departments? Why in our societies there must be people, who will have to be left behind, who then will become bad apples, because they have no other choices?

 

Why don't we all live a society, where everybody are taken care off, an nobody have the need to rob others?

 

Is that because we are so afraid of socialism aka fire departments?

 

 

People think Bernie is "way left" because he calls himself a socialist.  I wish he didn't.  That label will never leave him, and in a negative way.  Bernie is not a socialist.  He's not calling for the abolition of capitalism, nor is he suggesting the gov take over all factors of production.  I totally get his brand of socialism and it's mostly about the gov doing more to take care of its citizens.  But that's not how many Americans see it.

 

The problem is if Bernie is the Dem nominee in the general, Trump and the right-wing machine will absolutely crucify him.  They will equate socialism to a shthole banana republic run by corrupt brown people.  And they will succeed.  Socialism is synonymous with no freedom of speech/religion/choice/press...no freedom at all!  I hope I'm wrong, but this is why Trump has been supporting Bernie and attacking everyone else. 

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41 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

People think Bernie is "way left" because he calls himself a socialist.  I wish he didn't.  That label will never leave him, and in a negative way.  Bernie is not a socialist.  He's not calling for the abolition of capitalism, nor is he suggesting the gov take over all factors of production.  I totally get his brand of socialism and it's mostly about the gov doing more to take care of its citizens.  But that's not how many Americans see it.

 

The problem is if Bernie is the Dem nominee in the general, Trump and the right-wing machine will absolutely crucify him.  They will equate socialism to a shthole banana republic run by corrupt brown people.  And they will succeed.  Socialism is synonymous with no freedom of speech/religion/choice/press...no freedom at all!  I hope I'm wrong, but this is why Trump has been supporting Bernie and attacking everyone else. 

What's really funny is that even if Bernie wins (which I seriously doubt) then he would need to at least hold the house and also takeover the senate to pass any significant changes at all. Which would be almost exactly what all the other democrats would be able or unable to do. I find these internal policy arguments destructive and silly. All democrats have universal health care as the goal. To make any progress at all towards that and also to stop the degradation of progress by 45 of progress already made, we need to WIN, WIN, and WIN some more. Short of that all the policy debate among democrats is mental masturbation. Is Bernie the best chance of beating 45? Some people think so, but most people including me don't!

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5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

What's really funny is that even if Bernie wins (which I seriously doubt) then he would need to have increased majorities in congress and also takeover the senate to pass any significant changes at all. Which would be almost exactly what all the other democrats would be able or unable to do. I find these internal policy arguments destructive and silly. All democrats have universal health care as the goal. To make any progress at all towards that and also to stop the degradation of progress by 45 of progress already made, we need to WIN, WIN, and WIN some more. Short of that all the policy debate among democrats is mental masturbation. Is Bernie the best chance of beating 45? Some people think so, but most people including me don't!

Good points.  Most of what Bernie wants will cost huge amounts of money.  Take the free college idea.  I don't agree.  Firstly, anything free cheapens it.  And is he going to forgive $1.5 trillion in outstanding student loans?  I paid for my college degree!  If the gov is going to give away money, I'd rather they do the Andrew Yang thing and just give everyone $1,000/month.  Anyways, there are some hardcore Bernie supporters out there, similar to the hardcore Trump supporters.  I hope they'll still support the Dem ticket if it's not Bernie.    

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Yes, Bernie supporters worry me. As we saw before, a good portion of them will stay home or vote for 45 if their hero isn't nominated. Sadly the democrats are killing themselves as Obama predicted with the revolving firing squad. There's still hope of course but if 45 is reelected, there is no hope. 

 

I know this will make some people angry but the Bernie movement reminds me of left wing third party spoilers in the past gifting the win to the right wing republicans, but this time happening WITHIN the democratic party. Bloomberg is a weird phenom as well, but frankly if it wasn't for Bernie, I doubt Bloomberg would have even run. 

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5 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Who'd a though it eh?  a white billionaire Dem buying the election which is not hypocritical of the Dems at all of course ROFL

What's worse a white billioniare presidential candidate who backs tax laws that particularly benefit himself or a white presidential billionaire candidate who back tax laws that would actually hurt him financially?

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Just now, bristolboy said:

What's worse a white billioniare presidential candidate who backs tax laws that particularly benefit himself or a white presidential billionaire candidate who back tax laws that would actually hurt him financially?

Exactly. Bloomberg has a very mixed past but he's running as a very real democrat (I would say center left not centrist, these non-Bernie choices are only called centrist relative to Bernie) and he should be more than acceptable to anyone that realizes the grave threat that 45 poses to the very core of American democracy. 

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2 hours ago, Berkshire said:

People think Bernie is "way left" because he calls himself a socialist.  I wish he didn't.  That label will never leave him, and in a negative way.  Bernie is not a socialist.  He's not calling for the abolition of capitalism, nor is he suggesting the gov take over all factors of production.  I totally get his brand of socialism and it's mostly about the gov doing more to take care of its citizens.  But that's not how many Americans see it.

 

The problem is if Bernie is the Dem nominee in the general, Trump and the right-wing machine will absolutely crucify him.  They will equate socialism to a shthole banana republic run by corrupt brown people.  And they will succeed.  Socialism is synonymous with no freedom of speech/religion/choice/press...no freedom at all!  I hope I'm wrong, but this is why Trump has been supporting Bernie and attacking everyone else. 

I do believe it is very possible the hard Left turn might be just what is needed in America after these last almost four years.

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3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

What's really funny is that even if Bernie wins (which I seriously doubt) then he would need to at least hold the house and also takeover the senate to pass any significant changes at all. Which would be almost exactly what all the other democrats would be able or unable to do. I find these internal policy arguments destructive and silly. All democrats have universal health care as the goal. To make any progress at all towards that and also to stop the degradation of progress by 45 of progress already made, we need to WIN, WIN, and WIN some more. Short of that all the policy debate among democrats is mental masturbation. Is Bernie the best chance of beating 45? Some people think so, but most people including me don't!

There's confusion on the part of some who seem to believe that the only way to get to universal health care is via Medicare for all. There are countries that use a mix of private and public health care to provide universal health care. And the fact is that about half of the citizens of the USA get their health care through their employment. And polling shows that they are reasonably satisfied with it although satisfaction is declining as deductibles rise.  And most definitely they mostlly  don't want to be forced into a public plan. Far better to offer Medicaid to people earning significantly more than the current law allows. And increase the subsidies for those who earn over the limit. And, of course, allow those who want to to enrol in Medicare for all. 

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