lannarebirth Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said: Those who run the party apparatus, those who provide large donations, man their policy think tanks, and run universities, media heads, etc. Those "elite" you mention could just as easily be Republican. They don't care if Trump or Bloomberg wins. Their situation doesn't change and that is the desired outcome for them. Edited February 23, 2020 by lannarebirth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, WalkingOrders said: She won't be on the Democrat ticket Ironically she (Hillary) would probably be better than any of the others right now. What a pathetic mess the Democratic Party has become. They've been so preoccupied for over 3 years with getting rid of Trump, they forgot about everything else... like actually having policies. During the impeachment hearings they parrotted over and over that Trump is dangerous and needs to be removed, urgently. Careful what you wish for - Bernie Sanders for president! LOL. Where are all the Trump haters now? They're too busy trying to sabotage Bernie. He's the ONLY Democratic candidate with any energy, at 78 years of age... he's amazing! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, lannarebirth said: Those "elite" you mention could just as easily be Republican. They don't care if Trump or Bloomberg wins. Their situation doesn't change and that is the desired outcome for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkingOrders Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, lannarebirth said: Those "elite" you mention could just as easily be Republican. They don't care if Trump or Bloomberg wins. Their situation doesn't change and that is the desired outcome for them. There exists a neocon/neo liberal consensus, Trump has fragmented the Republican party. You do not see it now, as he is an incumbent who has solidified his leadership, but you see them in opposition to his policies. As in 2016-2018. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sucit Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Cryingdick said: Look into working conditions at the post office. It used to be so bad people commonly committed suicide, homocide or whatever and was known as going postal. You mentioned before how your precious 401k may be affected under Sander's free college plan. Why not be upset with your funding of Jeff Bezos workers? You help pay their salary. Why? Because Bezos refuses to pay them a wage they can get by on. Even the right believes this!... Please, tell me... what exactly would happen to Jeff Bezos if he paid his workers well, and did not rely on taxpayers to cover their salary? I am sure he would go broke, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 They are fighting to be the Presidential Candidate to lose... Do not think there is one who would put the party before their egotistic dream of being President. ☹️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sucit Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Cryingdick said: Wish Bernie would releasee his medical records since we are being open and honest about such things. Also where does he get treated? What does he pay? He would take the same care he advocates? Wait his turn in line? That said he is almost more likable than likable Mike. Mike! Mike! A real nice guy we all like! GOOO MIkeeeeyyy. Research. He has released as much as any candidate. Once again, you are believing the mainstream media. You simply cannot watch mainstream media and get any sort of unbiased coverage. I suppose i do not blame you for believing this, they shoveled it to you, and you opened up wide. it the facts are out there man, find them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsall Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 According to the Washington Post, Russia is helping the Sanders campaign. Time to call up Bob Mueller and investigate "Russian Collusion" ???????????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAppletons Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 17 hours ago, sucit said: Tell me, please... What exactly is the average dude sitting on the back of his truck in Texas or in the bayou gonna not like about... -going to the hospital for free -having his kids college debts paid off -not having to worry about trying to pay for his kids college any longer -making a wage that he is actually able to live on at the factory Please do tell. When those candidates get up on the stage, what moron, even right wing moron, id gonna hear that stuff and say "oh man, that sounds terrible". That "dude sitting on the back of his truck in Texas" doesn't want his taxes to increase by 20%, or 30%, or 50%. That's what he's "gonna not like about it". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkingOrders Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, TheAppletons said: That "dude sitting on the back of his truck in Texas" doesn't want his taxes to increase by 20%, or 30%, or 50%. That's what he's "gonna not like about it". And... Don't Mess With Texas ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Mr. Trump became president by the will of the people, as any Potus before him. If Mr.Sanders become president it will be due to the will of the people. i suppose no one can contest this. Now for sure a lot of people are easily influenced, but that is the case in every situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Berkshire Posted February 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 2/23/2020 at 8:42 AM, sucit said: What earth are you on? Who is the most popular senator in the world for years running? Who polls best against Trump? And you have never answered what polls you see that indicate Sanders has a worse chance than Bloomberg, or whoever. You are only saying "I think xyz and am basing it on... well, I am just pulling it out of my ass". That does not hold much water. I can say "there is no pollution in the world"... but the statement is meaningless unless I back it up somehow. You can think what you want but our conversation revolves around influencing voters as far as electability goes. Show me a poll, you can't just state your opinion, that is ridiculous. Bernie is leading the polls in Texas. Have you ever been to Texas? It almost seems like you are not following things at all. They already label him on the news as "socialist" every single minute. That and question his age and Bernie Bros is about all they do. Trump is going to lie and cheat against any candidate. With all due respect i do not think you have made a single statement that makes any logical sense. Man, you're not much different than those hardcore Trump supporters. You don't listen. Let me try again. So where is the next Democratic primary? South Carolina. So what do South Carolina Democrats think of Bernie? ["I do believe it will be an extra burden for us to have to carry. This is South Carolina, and South Carolinians are pretty leery about that title socialist," he said on ABC's "This Week" Sunday.] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/south-carolinians-leery-title-socialist-rep-james-clyburn/story?id=69149373&cid=clicksource_4380645_3_heads_hero_live_headlines_hed 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 41 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said: The perception is, my perception and of others, is he is a communist, now as we all know, leftists constantly deny anyone can be a communist. In fact they regularly deny even the most famous communists were communists. They claim that those communists, were in fact non communists attempting to practice something called communism, that was not really communism, which has never really been put into practice, and only exists in the theoretical as written in Das kapital, a book which real communists have never read. After making this argument which I have been listening to all my life, they always turn to simplistic name calling, and claims of intellectual superiority based upon simplistic college textbook readings of the definitions of communism, or socialism. What is lost on them is how socialism and communism always seem to lead to a group of people who claim a better idea which, through force of will, they intend to push upon the rest of us, whom they like to call stupid and ignorant. We American people who are conscious of ALL leftist movements of the 20th century, however, are quite aware of how they always begin, and how they always end. I am against anyone who belongs to a group of "comrades" no matter the semantics, or obfuscation of the truth of such ideas through the short story given in textbooks, or in dictionaries to give brief exposure to the theory. Behind crazy old Comrade Bernie are a whole lot of younger more dangerous revolutionaries, who unlike you evidently, know damn well what they are about. They are totalitarian, and are interested in making a new world, based upon their "better ideas", and Democracy has nothing to do with it despite claims they make to the contrary. There are only two candidates in the running for the 2016 presidential election with personal ties to authoritarian regimes. They are Trump's ties to Putin and Bloomberg's ties to Xi. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkingOrders Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, luckyluke said: Mr. Trump became president by the will of the people, as any Potus before him. If Mr.Sanders become president it will be due to the will of the people. i suppose no one can contest this. Now for sure a lot of people are easily influenced, but that is the case in every situation. Mr Trump, and all Presidents before him, has never claimed to be a socialist, and never heaped praise on any socialist regime. These facts, and they are facts, etched in stone, are not lost upon the American people. Bernie Sanders is a Communist, an agitator, who like all Communists agitates against the capitalist world. Like other communists before him who came to power in elections, he claims to be pro-democracy. I do not trust anyone who claims to be a socialist. I fear socialism grabbing the reins of power in the USA. This past year Sanders said he wants to throw CEOs of oil companies into jail. He said he wants to nationalize the entire Energy sector. He supports decriminalization of crossing the US border illegally He will decriminalize drug use, beyond legalizing marijuana, presumably decriminalizing crack, meth, and heroin. He wants instant amnesty for 20 million illegal aliens inside the United States. He wants to give free medical to all illegal aliens and non US citizens who manage to step foot into the USA. No I will not tolerate this, nor will the vast majority of US voters, who simply want a stable economy to be maintained, and believe the Founding Fathers were always speaking for the Citizens of the USA, and no one else! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkingOrders Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, lannarebirth said: There are only two candidates in the running for the 2016 presidential election with personal ties to authoritarian regimes. They are Trump's ties to Putin and Bloomberg's ties to Xi. Trump has no ties to Putin, read the Mueller report. Bloomberg is gone after Super Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Some inflammatory and insulting posts and replies have been removed: 7) You will respect fellow members and post in a civil manner. No personal attacks, hateful or insulting towards other members, (flaming) Stalking of members on either the forum or via PM will not be allowed. Forum Netiquette: 9. Please do not respond to insults with more insults but rather use the report button to report inflammatory posts. Continue to post in an insulting and inflammatory manner will be rewarded with a suspension from posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 minute ago, WalkingOrders said: No I will not tolerate this, nor will the vast majority of US voters, who simply want a stable economy to be maintained, and believe the Founding Fathers were always speaking for the Citizens of the USA, and no one else! I am not particularly a fan of Mr. Sanders, and have no idea of laws and regulations in the U.S.A; but I suppose like everywhere, there are some conditions to be able to become a candidate for a high position, in this case the highest. So if Mr. Sanders is allowed to be candidate, he makes a chance to win, the voting people of the U.S.A will decide about it, as it is in a democracy, So, wait and see 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 25 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said: Trump has no ties to Putin, read the Mueller report. Bloomberg is gone after Super Tuesday. Bloomberg's not going anywhere until after the convention. You don't have to have the most votes or be on the ballot to control the outcome. In America, everything is for sale. Speaking of which, I think a major impetus for Bloomberg's run is to offload his media empire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 41 minutes ago, Berkshire said: Man, you're not much different than those hardcore Trump supporters. You don't listen. Let me try again. So where is the next Democratic primary? South Carolina. So what do South Carolina Democrats think of Bernie? ["I do believe it will be an extra burden for us to have to carry. This is South Carolina, and South Carolinians are pretty leery about that title socialist," he said on ABC's "This Week" Sunday.] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/south-carolinians-leery-title-socialist-rep-james-clyburn/story?id=69149373&cid=clicksource_4380645_3_heads_hero_live_headlines_hed You hit the nail on the head. Both 45 and Bernie are movement candidacies with classic elements of political cults of personality. That's not necessarily a negative thing depending on what the specific political movement is about. For example the great president FDR was a cult of personality and all of us Americans not speaking German and getting social security checks should remember him fondly. Of course he had faults as well. I think the core argument of Bernie people is that to beat the cult like 45 movement you need to counter that with an opposing cult like movement. They might be right and they might be wrong. It's looking more likely that we're going to see their theory tested in real life. One thing that can be predicted is that the vast majority of democrats will unite behind Bernie and if it's not Bernie too many Bernie fans will either stay home or even God forbid vote for 45 as happened in 16. The case for choices like Bloomberg, Klobuchar, etc. is that they would get more independents and those numbers would be greater than the lost Bernie fans. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jingthing said: You hit the nail on the head. Both 45 and Bernie are movement candidacies with classic elements of political cults of personality. That's not necessarily a negative thing depending on what the specific political movement is about. For example the great president FDR was a cult of personality and all of us Americans not speaking German and getting social security checks should remember him fondly. Of course he had faults as well. I think the core argument of Bernie people is that to beat the cult like 45 movement you need to counter that with an opposing cult like movement. They might be right and they might be wrong. It's looking more likely that we're going to see their theory tested in real life. One thing that can be predicted is that the vast majority of democrats will unite behind Bernie and if it's not Bernie too many Bernie fans will either stay home or even God forbid vote for 45 as happened in 16. The case for choices like Bloomberg, Klobuchar, etc. is that they would get more independents and those numbers would be greater than the lost Bernie fans. Bernie gets support because he is the candidate that most resembles what the Democrat party claimed to stand for. The working man, pro union, sharing the bounty of a great economy to form a great society, intergenerational improvements in economic and social mobility. If Bernie doesn't beat Trump it will have less to do with him as a candidate than it will have to do the shift of the Democrat party well to the right. That shift is what gave the Republicans license to go full on fascist. BTW, I am not a Bernie supporter, but I will vote for him if he is the Democrat's candidate. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBKK Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 hours ago, lannarebirth said: Bernie gets support because he is the candidate that most resembles what the Democrat party claimed to stand for. The working man, pro union, sharing the bounty of a great economy to form a great society, intergenerational improvements in economic and social mobility. If Bernie doesn't beat Trump it will have less to do with him as a candidate than it will have to do the shift of the Democrat party well to the right. That shift is what gave the Republicans license to go full on fascist. BTW, I am not a Bernie supporter, but I will vote for him if he is the Democrat's candidate. Another Corbyn 1970s rhetoric when people actually come to vote he won't win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 hour ago, BobBKK said: Another Corbyn 1970s rhetoric when people actually come to vote he won't win. Quite possibly, who knows? I can still remember when you yourself said you supported Bernie and then went on to praise everything Trump has done. The internet's a funny place, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkingOrders Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 8 hours ago, lannarebirth said: Bloomberg's not going anywhere until after the convention. You don't have to have the most votes or be on the ballot to control the outcome. In America, everything is for sale. Speaking of which, I think a major impetus for Bloomberg's run is to offload his media empire. Nice try but no cigar. While it's true that electors can jump around, a guy trailing out the end is not going to stand a chance. After Super Tuesday he will be gone. As gone as gone can get. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WalkingOrders Posted February 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2020 8 hours ago, lannarebirth said: Bernie gets support because he is the candidate that most resembles what the Democrat party claimed to stand for. The working man, pro union, sharing the bounty of a great economy to form a great society, intergenerational improvements in economic and social mobility. If Bernie doesn't beat Trump it will have less to do with him as a candidate than it will have to do the shift of the Democrat party well to the right. That shift is what gave the Republicans license to go full on fascist. BTW, I am not a Bernie supporter, but I will vote for him if he is the Democrat's candidate. The Democrat party has shifted well to the left. SO much so that it is different then the way Obama left it. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkingOrders Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 8 hours ago, lannarebirth said: Bloomberg's not going anywhere until after the convention. You don't have to have the most votes or be on the ballot to control the outcome. In America, everything is for sale. Speaking of which, I think a major impetus for Bloomberg's run is to offload his media empire. Offload his media empire? He does not need to run for President to do that. He can just put it all up for sale. Bloomberg fizzles on Super Tuesday. The hushed sound of money vaporizing into thin air. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBKK Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 On 2/24/2020 at 2:03 PM, lannarebirth said: Quite possibly, who knows? I can still remember when you yourself said you supported Bernie and then went on to praise everything Trump has done. The internet's a funny place, what? I did in 2016 that's true but what is not true is you go onto say I then supported everything Trump "has done". I don't support Trump I support justice and it became obvious to me that Dems were pathetic and politicised everything in their quest to overturn the election. Being pro-climate, pro-choice, pro-weed, pro-vegetarian etc. I can hardly be called 'pro-Trump' as I don't agree with his basic premise. However I look at disdain at those dumb Dems who have done nothing in 4 years but whine and wail over their loss which will probably be repeated very soon. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 On 2/24/2020 at 12:54 PM, BobBKK said: Another Corbyn 1970s rhetoric when people actually come to vote he won't win. Corbyn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 29 minutes ago, BobBKK said: I did in 2016 that's true but what is not true is you go onto say I then supported everything Trump "has done". I don't support Trump I support justice and it became obvious to me that Dems were pathetic and politicised everything in their quest to overturn the election. Being pro-climate, pro-choice, pro-weed, pro-vegetarian etc. I can hardly be called 'pro-Trump' as I don't agree with his basic premise. However I look at disdain at those dumb Dems who have done nothing in 4 years but whine and wail over their loss which will probably be repeated very soon. You’ve been caught out with your posting history but don’t grasp that your continuing post history makes a mockery of your claims above. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Sanders seems intent on destroying his own candidacy, his recent comments on Castro more or less guarantee he’ll be wiped out in Florida and the goes on to make totally unnecessary remarks about communist China. There is no doubt at all why he’s Trump’s favorite ‘Democrat’ candidate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBKK Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: You’ve been caught out with your posting history but don’t grasp that your continuing post history makes a mockery of your claims above. Not at all I have made my position clear and it has been consistent for many years and i have repeated it many times. The fact that you, due to political bias, do not accept it does not change the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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