No ‘hidden’ virus cases in Thailand, official insists

[Traubert]

9 hours ago, Fex Bluse said:

China spent nearly 2 months trying to cover up the virus. Only when it was impossible to cover up did they start instituting measures.

 

China is the cause of this.

Three weeks actually but whats 40 days between friends?

[Assurancetourix]

The scientific community has so far estimated that the maximum incubation period for covid-19 is 14 days.

 

But 

 

A Chinese septuagenarian from Hubei contracted coronarivus that appeared at the end of last year in this province of China but did not develop the symptoms until 27 days later, local authorities announced on Saturday 22 February.

A longer incubation, during which an individual carrying the virus can be contaminating without being aware of it, could complicate efforts to contain the spread of the epidemic which has so far claimed more than 2,300 lives in China and foreign.

According to the Hubei provincial government, the 70-year-old man was in contact with his sick sister on January 24. He had a fever on February 20 and the virus was detected in his body the following day.

 

There is therefore a good chance that the 14-day quarantine will therefore be considered insufficient

[Traubert]

2 minutes ago, Assurancetourix said:

 

There is therefore a good chance that the 14-day quarantine will therefore be considered insufficient

Not by anybody in the scientific world.

[Assurancetourix]

4 minutes ago, Traubert said:

Not by anybody in the scientific world.

So I guess the "scientific world" is stronger than the Covid-19?
Explain to me what is currently happening in Italy ...

[ukrules]

7 minutes ago, Assurancetourix said:

According to the Hubei provincial government, the 70-year-old man was in contact with his sick sister on January 24. He had a fever on February 20 and the virus was detected in his body the following day.

 

There is therefore a good chance that the 14-day quarantine will therefore be considered insufficient

Being in Hubei I would not be surprised if he didn't catch it from his sister but from someone else more recently.

[Eindhoven]

On 2/19/2020 at 12:34 PM, Yinn said:

Jingthing, no need panic.

you lucky you live in thailand. We prepared and nobody die in Thailand from corona. 

 

Sorry, but your statement is totally false. When I arrived at the airport, there were no precautions taken. Everyone, including the Chinese flights arriving, were having to place their fingers on an unclean fingerprint scanner. No cleansing was noted whilst I was there.

This during the period when the virus was known worldwide. Many passengers in the queue wore masks.

So what preparation was in place?

In fact, they were simply helping to spread it with the use of uncleaned fingerprint scanners.

You clearly do not have a clue and are happy to believe any rubbish that is printed, that supports your blinkered viewpoint.

 

Annoying when people try to spread propaganda, either ignorantly or deliberately.

 

Edited February 23, 2020 by Eindhoven

[Cake Monster]

On 2/19/2020 at 8:21 PM, Dumbastheycome said:

Yes, I do understand the potential for transmission. What I  am trying to refer to is that it is little different in outcome to other existing viral infections in terms of  transmission  and morbidity.

Why is it that  MERS is  now publiclly  ignored to the point of irrelevance? It is still out there! Morbidity rate horrendus! Is there  any proposal to  ban  movement of people from  incident localities?

There  need  be some  better  consideration of the possible politerization of  what is ongoing re' Covid19 !

 

 

Yes ! MERS is still out there, with its horrendous mortality rate.

One of the main fears over this Covid19 Virus, is that it will mutate into something more sinister than it is at the moment.

Although that is not to say that it is not already sinister .... it is.

Infections are now popping up within people that have no prior contact with  China, Wuhan, or have not traveled from their homes, and there appears to be a longer incubation period than the first published 14 days.

That makes this thing very scary indeed

[Assurancetourix]

17 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Being in Hubei I would not be surprised if he didn't catch it from his sister but from someone else more recently.

It would surprise me that the Chinese authorities wanted to shoot themselves by revealing this.
To reveal to the whole world that the silent contamination of Covid-19 can be more than 14 days seems to me a gesture or a word of common sense even if it can hurt some ego.

[sanemax]

17 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

 

Sorry, but your statement is totally false. When I arrived at the airport, there were no precautions taken. Everyone, including the Chinese flights arriving, were having to place their fingers on an unclean fingerprint scanner. No cleansing was noted whilst I was there.

This during the period when the virus was known worldwide. Many passengers in the queue wore masks.

So what preparation was in place?

In fact, they were simply helping to spread it with the use of uncleaned fingerprint scanners.

You clearly do not have a clue and are happy to believe any rubbish that is printed, that supports your blinkered viewpoint.

 

Annoying when people try to spread propaganda, either ignorantly or deliberately.

 

I recently arrived on a Air China flight from Peking and we were all required to disinfect our hands and get tested for a fever upon arrival 

[Assurancetourix]

17 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

You clearly do not have a clue and are happy to believe any rubbish that is printed, that supports your blinkered viewpoint.

 

She is a kid who has no knowledge of the world around us.
She lives on her little pink cloud;
she was formatted from a very young age to believe only what the elders or those who are of a caste superior to her say.
She is unable to weigh the pros and cons

[tifino]

saying there are No Hidden cases...

is like that U.S. pollie that had to drink a glass of what was supposedly no longer polluted water

[Eindhoven]

8 minutes ago, sanemax said:

I recently arrived on a Air China flight from Peking and we were all required to disinfect our hands and get tested for a fever upon arrival 

 

I am writing about mid Jan.... What happens now is long after the horse has bolted.

Edited February 23, 2020 by Eindhoven

[sanemax]

Just now, Eindhoven said:

 

I am writing about mid Jan.... What happens now is way after the horse has bolted.

I was talking about late January 

[rabas]

On 2/19/2020 at 8:21 PM, Dumbastheycome said:

Yes, I do understand the potential for transmission. What I  am trying to refer to is that it is little different in outcome to other existing viral infections in terms of  transmission  and morbidity.

Why is it that  MERS is  now publiclly  ignored to the point of irrelevance? It is still out there! Morbidity rate horrendus! Is there  any proposal to  ban  movement of people from  incident localities?

There  need  be some  better  consideration of the possible politerization of  what is ongoing re' Covid19 !

-- MERS can barely transmit H2H, many get it from camels, thus numbers are very low.

-- SARS spreads easily but only long after symptoms appear thus it's relatively easy to stop.

-- NCOV is a nightmare, super stealth, H2H during long variable incubation, hard to test for reliably, and now cases of reinfection after recovery. 

 

Case fatality rates are not that low (just hard to measure while new cases are increasing) and some young people are dying. Another Wuhan doctor died yesterday, she was 29.

Edited February 23, 2020 by rabas

[rabas]

2 hours ago, Traubert said:

Three weeks actually but whats 40 days between friends?

Patient zero was diagnosed Dec 1, 2019 so 31 days till first peep. Later, lots of cover up like no sign of human to human, must be just animals. In truth, patient zero was never at the Wuhan market, so still no information on where it came from.  International experts should have been on the scene early December. Even now the CCP is still preventing anyone from inspecting critical areas = full blown cover up.

 

Edited February 23, 2020 by rabas

[Eindhoven]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

I was talking about late January 

 

That's still up to two weeks and we don't know which flights were screened and how effectively.

Even one day without everyone sanitising their hands prior to scanning and/or cleaning the scanners was too much.

 

[Dutyfirst]

10 hours ago, christophe75 said:

 

Fair enough.

 

But why we do not apply basic common sense with the documented cases we already have on our hands ?

 

There was tropical heat and humidity inside the conference hall of the Hyatt Hotel in Singapore where a dozen of people got infected ?

 

And inside the "hell" cruise ship in Japan... they had a "desert" climate ?

 

And what about the few... taxis were drivers where infected (Japan, Thailand...) ? Well, yes, I agree, sometimes it is really hot in taxis in Bangkok ????

 

I think promiscuity, density are very important factor too. Furthermore we all focus on "droplets", and airbone way... But what if... the virus spreads more by fecal/urine contacts ? AKA by touching ?

 

Those 2 ways start to be studied in China.

 

Like a family who share a.... meal (with pots) (Hong Kong).... like a buffet shared (boat, conference : you use the spoons in the buffet, or the barman pour you a glass, you take the glass, then you take some peanuts even with a spoon, many people before you used the same spoon etc.)

 

In a taxi you exchange bills and coins. Sometime the driver gives you the "toolway receipt"... He touches your fingers...

 

Or public and unisex toilets (airplane for instance.)

 

For that matter, the thai motto "wash your hands" might be spot on. Anyway, with other germs and viruses we know hands are.... moving disaster !

I think you missing the point. 

Coronaviruses THRIVE in cold and dry conditions and the warmer and more humid the air the less effective it comes. The examples you gave are perfect examples of the type of ideal conditions the virus can be transmitted.  So im not sure im following your points about the Hyatt, the cruise ship and an aircon taxi? Your essentially got people crammed into a space with the exact conditions that allow for the best transmission. This is also 1 factor to why the coronavirus has such a high infection rate inside hospitals. 

If we look at most of the cases and hotspots they are all currently in cold dry climates. So with any hope the hot muggy weather in SE Asia will help to control the spread and contain any spreads. 
 

[Mung]

I've been trying to work out exactly what has happened here. It takes basic logic to question how over 80,000 tourists from Wuhan this year alone, and tens of thousands more from mainland China can arrive and not cause major infection issues. Professionals around the world have come out and have said the numbers don't add up, and that official in Phuket did say that they were under orders to restrict info to the public.  

But still, I did consider the whole 'hot humid climate' stance, but then Singapore has had a few outbreaks, albeit not that problematic at the moment. Then again Singapore is taking this very seriously. I also then took into account that a new virus can mutate to become more or less virulent, and assumed it could have become less contagious. But recent events in Italy, Korea and Iran suggest otherwise. 

So what's left? Either limited to no testing is being undertaken, numbers are not being told transparently, or Thailand has some magic luck potion running through their water supply. It just baffles me how so many possibly infected people from China can come here, and there isn't a mass infection situation yet. Thailand was one of the first, if not the First Nation outside of China to have cases if I recall, so what gives? 

[ukrules]

1 hour ago, Dutyfirst said:

If we look at most of the cases and hotspots they are all currently in cold dry climates. So with any hope the hot muggy weather in SE Asia will help to control the spread and contain any spreads. 

That is the one hope, the WHO and other disease control specialists from various countries around the world will no doubt be running tests on virus samples in every temperature and humidity range that's applicable to their locations.

 

They will have been doing these tests since they first got their hands on the samples and they probably have the results already.

 

Why else were the likes of the UK government rushing to export patients from Wuhan when little was known, they wanted the samples.

 

It's notable that they haven't been quite so forthcoming with expensive evacuation flights since they got the initial people out of Wuhan.

Edited February 23, 2020 by ukrules

[Mung]

1 hour ago, Dutyfirst said:

I think you missing the point. 

Coronaviruses THRIVE in cold and dry conditions and the warmer and more humid the air the less effective it comes. The examples you gave are perfect examples of the type of ideal conditions the virus can be transmitted.  So im not sure im following your points about the Hyatt, the cruise ship and an aircon taxi? Your essentially got people crammed into a space with the exact conditions that allow for the best transmission. This is also 1 factor to why the coronavirus has such a high infection rate inside hospitals. 

If we look at most of the cases and hotspots they are all currently in cold dry climates. So with any hope the hot muggy weather in SE Asia will help to control the spread and contain any spreads. 
 

The UK had it's first case on the 1st of February, which is now 22 days ago. As of now it only has 9 cases, and the weather has been cold as is expected in Winter. Singapore has had more cases and with a vastly smaller population. 

[CGW]

2 minutes ago, Mung said:

Singapore has had more cases and with a vastly smaller population.

The population in Singapore is condensed in very small areas, just like China, public areas in Singapore tend to be AC, all offices and the like certainly are AC, not sure if the air in large office blocks and shopping centres is recirculated?

[Dumbastheycome]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

-- MERS can barely transmit H2H, many get it from camels, thus numbers are very low.

-- SARS spreads easily but only long after symptoms appear thus it's relatively easy to stop.

-- NCOV is a nightmare, super stealth, H2H during long variable incubation, hard to test for reliably, and now cases of reinfection after recovery. 

 

Case fatality rates are not that low (just hard to measure while new cases are increasing) and some young people are dying. Another Wuhan doctor died yesterday, she was 29.

Would  be  very interested in  any  link to confirmation  of  re infection !

I am/have not tried to minimize the significance of  this  new contagion rather than to refer to the relative mortality rate when compared  to  existing seasonal contagions. Yes, as with  any such there is the  risk of  a mutation that changes that aspect. Putting that into the perspective of  initial reaction to the  variants  of influenza which also present such  mutative potential but  for  which effective  or  semi effective  vaccination programs have alleviated the same will eventuate in  response  to  Corvid-19 in probably  about the same or similar time frame.

And keeping that perspective in mind it need  be acknowledged  that  to  date even without  any available  vaccine it has not demonstrated a greater  morbidity  rate  than conventional  influenza despite vaccine  availability for that. In real terms actually  less than  outside of  China as to date which is  most likely due to timely medical intervention because of public awareness and concern. It is  also almost inevitable that deaths  from  influenza will be  less for same related awareness and concerns.

That some people who are outside the profile attributed to the majority of  deaths may be attributable to factors such as  fatigue ( over tired  doctors) or  multiple infection ( again  doctors treating patients of viral infection). Is it the  age or the  circumstances  of  underlying  health fitness that creates the anomaly ?

If  this  new easily transmitted virus  also demonstrated  a morbidity  factor similar to SARS  or MERS I would suggest  retreating  to a  bunker as I descended  the steps of my own !

I and  numerous others  around me have already been a victim of a current influenza infection  that was  not pleasant and in many ways similar symptomatically to  this  CORVD-19 in that it  targeted the lungs, preceded  by strange  fatigue and fleeting aches and pains  without  initial  fever for at least  10  days.After onset of  fever and some  respritory  distress for 4 days then  4 weeks to be free of a hacking spontaneous cough. I sought and was  provided  symptomatic  relief  for the cough. I live. I fit the  profile of  those who commonly succumb to  influenza  and apparently  to CORVID -19.

The  fact is  that in reality only practical self caution and avoidance of unnescesary placement  of risk to limit  exposure to infection is all that is  possible. 

Or, as some  might say. what does  not kill you  might  make you stronger. Nature  can be  like that I think.

 

 

 

 

 

[christophe75]

1 hour ago, Dutyfirst said:

I think you missing the point. 

Coronaviruses THRIVE in cold and dry conditions and the warmer and more humid the air the less effective it comes. The examples you gave are perfect examples of the type of ideal conditions the virus can be transmitted. 
 

 

Well you need to explain to us how an "in door" environment, with air conditioning (cold)... becomes "hot" during... summer season ?

????

 

For that matter, and that was precisely my point, the Hyatt Hotel in Singapore seems to be the perfect ground for a virus... all around the year.. whatever the season outside.

 

Some people continue to believe that "hot" weather, out door, is the best protection.

 

In the african savanna perhaps... But in a modern urban environment, where we have air con everywhere... it's less likely...

[Mung]

22 minutes ago, CGW said:

The population in Singapore is condensed in very small areas, just like China, public areas in Singapore tend to be AC, all offices and the like certainly are AC, not sure if the air in large office blocks and shopping centres is recirculated?

So London isn't condensed, with the underground tube system, office blocks and close living quarters? 

[MikeyScars]

18 minutes ago, christophe75 said:

 

Well you need to explain to us how an "in door" environment, with air conditioning (cold)... becomes "hot" during... summer season ?

????

 

For that matter, and that was precisely my point, the Hyatt Hotel in Singapore seems to be the perfect ground for a virus... all around the year.. whatever the season outside.

 

Some people continue to believe that "hot" weather, out door, is the best protection.

 

In the african savanna perhaps... But in a modern urban environment, where we have air con everywhere... it's less likely...

I agree with Christophe75.  

The number just does not make sense at 35 in Thailand.  I am saying way too low.

I am begining to suspect that the British actor who was confirmed NOT infected probably had it.  Of course I am speculating. 

 

https://www.thephuketnews.com/british-actor-confirmed-not-infected-with-wuhan-flu-74476.php

[ukrules]

6 minutes ago, MikeyScars said:

I agree with Christophe75.  

The number just does not make sense at 35 in Thailand.  I am saying way too low.

I am begining to suspect that the British actor who was confirmed NOT infected probably had it.  Of course I am speculating. 

 

https://www.thephuketnews.com/british-actor-confirmed-not-infected-with-wuhan-flu-74476.php

Did he since return to the UK - I can't see anything in the news about it?

Edited February 23, 2020 by ukrules

[CGW]

34 minutes ago, Mung said:

So London isn't condensed, with the underground tube system, office blocks and close living quarters? 

True, wonder what causes the contagion then?

[dayward1]

On 2/20/2020 at 12:46 PM, Sonhia said:

What ever!

 

 

 

 

Like....

[dayward1]

1 hour ago, CGW said:

True, wonder what causes the contagion then?

Hygiene. Soap NOT in the restrooms. Blowing the ole nose off in the sink area that everyone has to use to wash hands. Dirty, filthy people. White people are whom I'm referring to of course.

 

Edited February 23, 2020 by dayward1

[3NUMBAS]

thats what the italians thought ,now they have numerous towns in lockdown and no patient zero has been found and the streets are very quiet all over the north