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TM28: Thai immigration scraps requirement for foreigners to report when they stay away from home for 24 hours

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5 hours ago, hottrader77 said:

thai immigration have added the exceptions instead of just scrapping them because it saves face , they dont want to look as stupid as they are , the 1st time i used to come to thailand in the 1990s i could get a 1 year multi entry tourist visa or a 1 year multi entry business visa , but then immigration got greedy and less and less time allowed to stay in thailand thats why we are at the 60 day visa and then pay for an extension of 30 days , the message is clear GO SOMEWHERE ELSE WE ONLY WANT YOUR MONEY NOT YOU ! so i will be going somewhere else and they will no longer have my hard earned money !

This movement to Vietnam , The Phils , Cambodia, or simply stay in Europe where less harrassments has begun already for years....

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5 hours ago, mfd101 said:

And after that, the pain-in-the-butt health insurance nonsense. If they could backtrack on that in the next 2 or 3 months, I would feel much relieved.

 

All we need to do is get a petition together and some publicity in Western newspapers ... Now's the time for action, with help from coronaV.

yes, and anyway, most of us have full assistance and hospitalization insurance in our home country for years..Maybe some assistances work only 3 months though..but the hospitalization insurance from my mutuality in Belgium  works 365 days and worldwide !

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Can you believe that the Thai government had started to enforce a cold war requirement for foreigners to report changes of location within 24 hours. What a bunch of incompetents.

 

The problem Thailand has is that the old military people running are not educated in the modern sense. But they are governing a population in which the younger generation have with modern schooling, levels of understanding and demands.

 

The old military men went to school in the 1960s and 70s when Thailand was poor and schools were not much more than day care centres. From that low base they can never grasp the modern world. They can never know how to run a modern country. This is why they are so ridiculed.

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pff only 24 hours.....   what a pittyfull system.  If every foreigner in Europe has to report this way where he is staying the world would not be big enough for all the fuzz that would create. You get access by a visa and still you have to report every freaking step you make. Land of the smiles is not what it used to be.

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I once attempted to do a TM 28 at Chiang Mai. The female IO not only did not understand what a TM 28 was, but became offensive, and used my phone to call the hotel and make the receptionist go to immigration.

In the end I just left and never did the TM 28 then or again.

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5 hours ago, cedel said:

but as tourist in my own condo, I have now to report a TM30 !! Even they asked my adress 2 months before to make the visa and also on the TM6 when coming out of the plane to enter Thailand and pass immigration...another illogical rule !!

If you have a condo, you ain't a tourist. Tourists stay in guest houses or hotels.

Try entering on multiple tourist visas in a year now and one will get the message.

 

It's been a requirement to do TM 30 for many many years.

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5 hours ago, cedel said:

yes, and anyway, most of us have full assistance and hospitalization insurance in our home country for years..Maybe some assistances work only 3 months though..but the hospitalization insurance from my mutuality in Belgium  works 365 days and worldwide !

HI, I am Belgian too - can you PM me the name of that hospitalization insurance please.  Thanks!

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8 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

The article is a disgrace, unless it was meant as click-bait to get everybody reacting on the errors it contains.

 

TM30 is still applicable. 

It stipulates that the owner/possessor of a hotel/guesthouse/house/condo, in short any place where people can reside, has to file a TM30 of any foreigner staying at that place within 24 hours of the foreigners arrival.

For hotels/guesthouses that's quite clear and that's why they ask for your passport (and the TM-6 departure/arrival card) when checking in, so they can report you to IO as staying at their premisses.

If they fail to do so, they can be fined 2.000 THB per foreigner/night not reported.

In case you live in your own house/condo or rent it, TM30 compliance is also applicable. 

And it means that your landlord/lady, or your (girl)friend or yourself - when you are the owner - also need to report you or any foreign guests staying at the house/condo witihin 24 hours (after arriving from a domestic or international trip).

That's all pretty clear.

 

But the confusion starts, when a newbie not aware of the above reads the 'experience' of TVF members on the Forum, boasting that they never ever filed a TM30 and that it is thus not necessary.

It is thai law (and hence necessary), but the point is that it is not always enforced by local IO.

Some IOs are very strict, and require that a TM30 is filed every time you as foreigner return to your own or rental house/condo, within 24 hours after returning from a trip to another province or abroad.  Some IOs only require that you do this after returning from a trip abroad, and some IOs do not even bother at all whether you do it or not.

Furthermore, TM30 compliance is ONLY checked when applying for a service at your local IO that needs your address (e.g. an extension of stay).  And when they check, they are ONLY interested whether a current TM30 of you staying at the house/condo has been filed. 

 

>> So in your case, your partner that owns the house where you are staying needs to file a TM30 of you arriving at the house within 24 hours of you arriving there from a domestic or international trip.

Chances are that this will never be checked/enforced when you report to an easy-going IO.

 

Note: I PM-ed you a step-by-step instruction on how to register on the IO TM30 website, which will allow you to file your own TM30s (as well as those of any foreign guest staying at your house).

Registering and filing your first TM30 will take approx 30' (if you know how to do it) and subsequent ones will take less than 2'.

yes it is a shame that this post wasn't next in line after the article, instead of the noise of the false back patting of a 'successful petition' lol  which drowned out a common sense look at it all.. 

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On 2/20/2020 at 9:31 PM, geronimo said:

The TM 99 will soon follow .. to be completed when you shop at Big C .......

NP there, as long as they do not include 7/11  😅

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3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If you have a condo, you ain't a tourist. Tourists stay in guest houses or hotels.

Try entering on multiple tourist visas in a year now and one will get the message.

 

It's been a requirement to do TM 30 for many many years.

no, this is not true, never for yourself when you come to live in your own condo for 30, 60 or 90 days, I never were asked to "report" myself as soon as I came ..because as I said, they knew already that I was living there (asked before to enter Thailand and leave the plane  on a TM6!!) plus eventually if I stay more than 30 days my adress is asked also to get a tourist visa

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Why anybody ask if you go out of the country? Big deal, you get a stamp when you return. Same as today, but have no longer effect on you if you are on the non-o/a.

 

What I don’t see in the replies here, is another good news: The 90 day reporting is also scrapped.

 

Only requirement now is to report if you change permanent address.

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1 minute ago, Swen said:

What I don’t see in the replies here, is another good news: The 90 day reporting is also scrapped.

 

Only requirement now is to report if you change permanent address.

This is wrong. 90 day reporting still required, TM30 still required, TM27 still required (TM27 has never been enforced so far).

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30 minutes ago, jackdd said:

This is wrong. 90 day reporting still required, TM30 still required, TM27 still required (TM27 has never been enforced so far).

Please read the government document again. 90 day is gone!

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