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TM28: Thai immigration scraps requirement for foreigners to report when they stay away from home for 24 hours

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15 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Hi Jackdd > We are in agreement that basically nothing changed.

But what is the procedure then now when you move/relocate to a different address and need to notify IO?

The TM-27 title reads < see below >, so to me that looks like the form to use.

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Dear Jackdd and Peter Denis,

 

The only things that changed in the new regulations are as follows:
1: content from the immigration act section 37 is repealed
2: Content from the immigration act section 37 is replaced by:
https://www.immigration.go.th/read?content_id=5e468147cf638702b11f9cb9

To comply with the new regulations there are only 2 documents to follow:
TM27 : Form for aliens to notify their change of adress if different from that stated on their arrival card.

Now that is the tricky part of the new regulation coz: Art 2,1 where as nobody is exempt states:

 

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22 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

But what is the procedure then now when you move/relocate to a different address and need to notify IO?

The TM-27 title reads < see below >, so to me that looks like the form to use.

TM27 is a mess, which is probably the reason why they never used it in the last 40 years.

The law / police order regarding TM27 basically says: If you are unable to stay at the place which you previously told immigration (for example on the arrival card), you have to submit a TM27.

The important bit here is "unable", the original Thai law uses an equivalent wording.

Let's say you write the address of your wife's house on your arrival card:

- If you arrive at your wife's house and it burned down, you are obviously unable stay there, TM27 required.

- If you arrive at your wife's house and see that your mother in law is staying there, so you decide that you don't want to stay there (but you could), then the TM27 is not required.

 

Who knows what immigration will come up with, but i guess TM27 will continue to be ignored.

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3 minutes ago, DavisH said:

They should scrap TM30 because we already report out address every 90 days anyway. 

There is a difference, a 90 day report is you telling immigration your address, a TM30 is a property reporting a foreigner staying there.

 

If you are telling immigration you stay at Acme condos and seaview condo reports that you staying there, there is a discrepancy.

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15 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Hi Jackdd > We are in agreement that basically nothing changed.

But what is the procedure then now when you move/relocate to a different address and need to notify IO?

The TM-27 title reads < see below >, so to me that looks like the form to use.

image.png.9d196bcc9e14c7fdba998a0996cbde27.png

 

Dear Jackdd and Peter Denis,

 

The only things that changed in the new regulations are as follows:
1: content from the immigration act section 37 is repealed
2: Content from the immigration act section 37 is replaced by:
https://www.immigration.go.th/read?content_id=5e468147cf638702b11f9cb9

To comply with the new regulations there are only 2 documents to follow:
TM27 : Form for aliens to notify their change of adress if different from that stated on their arrival card.

Now that is the tricky part of the new regulation coz: Art 2,1 where as nobody is exempt for filing a TM27 for adress change and this within 24 hrs upon arrival + clearly stated to do so at immigration.

The TM47 is still are again there for the 90 day notification.

 

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6 hours ago, lagarto said:

Be careful guys, (Chicken George) Immigration scrap the TM.28 not the TM.30...………….?

this is going to be an intersting forum . when the <deleted> hits the fan .as so many people think the TM30 has gone too DONT BE FOOLED ,,,,,, this forum will then be full of people saying why did i get a 2000b fine ,,,,lets wait for the flack >> 

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22 minutes ago, jackdd said:

TM27 is a mess, which is probably the reason why they never used it in the last 40 years.

The law / police order regarding TM27 basically says: If you are unable to stay at the place which you previously told immigration (for example on the arrival card), you have to submit a TM27.

The important bit here is "unable", the original Thai law uses an equivalent wording.

Let's say you write the address of your wife's house on your arrival card:

- If you arrive at your wife's house and it burned down, you are obviously unable stay there, TM27 required.

- If you arrive at your wife's house and see that your mother in law is staying there, so you decide that you don't want to stay there (but you could), then the TM27 is not required.

 

Who knows what immigration will come up with, but i guess TM27 will continue to be ignored.

@jackdd and @Ratt Thai

I read and understand what you are posting.

But what is the procedure then now when you move/relocate to a different address and need to notify IO???

 

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20 minutes ago, docspinoff said:

this is going to be an intersting forum . when the <deleted> hits the fan .as so many people think the TM30 has gone too DONT BE FOOLED ,,,,,, this forum will then be full of people saying why did i get a 2000b fine ,,,,lets wait for the flack >> 

would be good to here from people who have been fined ....for not changing the date ...via a tm30 or tm28 , or what ever . may be would convince people more. and not the people who keep saying im bigger then immigration and dont do it and seem to get away with it lucky them ... i nearly got caught out but had to creep to not paying afine ,, pattaya 

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6 minutes ago, Megascott said:

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Thanks OP. Good relevant info.

 

Here's the link again, in case it's not intuitive to find from the Thai immi web page. https://www.immigration.go.th/read?content_id=5e468147cf638702b11f9cb9

Good relevant info, when basically nothing has changed???

Except for mega-confusion on what all this is about in previous 250 posts...

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47 minutes ago, DavisH said:

They should scrap TM30 because we already report out address every 90 days anyway. 

where's the logic in that 🤔

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Many  rulings in Thailand appear to be dictums based on a relatively unresearched whim of a nabob. They are often virtually unworkable or inappropriate and undemocratic and have a negative impact upon certain sectors of the population. However as no debate is required to have them implemented, it frequently results in a long and complicated process of kreng jai and face-saving before the situation can be resolved.

In this case we are lucky there has been an announcement - the usual procedure is for these dictums to be nudged gradually undertake carpet until they fall into disuse.

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31 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

@jackdd and @Ratt Thai

I read and understand what you are posting.

But what is the procedure then now when you move/relocate to a different address and need to notify IO???

Why would you notify the IO? Your landlord submits a TM30, then they know that you are there.

I'm aware that some immigration offices asked people to submit a TM28 to them, but this was never an official requirement, just something the immigration office made up. If you didn't do it they also didn't fine you, just asked you to do it while you were there.

Maybe the offices that want such a paper will just continue to use the TM28, or maybe they use the TM27 form, or maybe they will write their own form for this purpose.

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This change of policy is potentially more concerning than the corona virus.........

 

A deadly outbreak of common sense amongst the Thai hierarchy! 

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On 2/20/2020 at 10:27 AM, Yadon Toploy said:

You are entered on arrival at the airport or border crossing.

 

This is good 

Thailand is over 

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