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TM28: Thai immigration scraps requirement for foreigners to report when they stay away from home for 24 hours

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36 minutes ago, jackdd said:

Probably because you can't read.

 

They repealed the old police order from 1979: http://www.ratchakitcha.soc.go.th/DATA/PDF/2522/A/096/1.PDF

Replaced by the new police order (the one which you are reading)

 

It isn't a new regulation, it's merely quoting Thai immigration act section 37.2.

You can find one translation of it in this police order, another translation in the link which you posted in your previous post and the original Thai version here: https://www.immigration.go.th/read?content_id=58b4f72454b2f90a80136447

I suggest reading the Thai version, then you don't have to rely on potentially wrongful translations.

 

Did you see any? I didn't. So i guess there are no exemptions.

 

http://www.ratchakitcha.soc.go.th/DATA/PDF/2522/A/096/1.PDF

TM27 is on page 5

 

A few months ago it actually was there, see my post #19 here:

 

I would say you should find a new lawyer who is able to read laws.

Dear Jackdd, Thanks for the links, they do clarify..

So i can say "i stand corrected" and thank you for that.

 

PS: even a good lawyer would need precise questions to understand what he's been asked about.
Oh well, just another day at the office...

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On 2/20/2020 at 5:31 PM, geronimo said:

The TM 99 will soon follow .. to be completed when you shop at Big C .......

Don't forget to bring your passport if you are paying for groceries at the same time.

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Recently told at the new (ish) Kalasin IO when wife and I went along on Jan. 16th to do TM 30 that this is only required when I  return from outside Thailand to our home, which I had. Moving around for stays/ holidays in Thailand does not require a TM 30 on returning home from such trips. No mention of TM 28 was made by IO  which in 8 years of coming and going in, out and around Thailand I have never done because not aware. In fact this is the first time my wife as the " house master" has ever done one.

 

So wife will have to do TM30 again as this does not actually seem to be covered by this amendment to TM 28 regulations ( as some posters here seem to think) after I return from getting new visa in Savanakhet ( and indeed every time I leave then return to Thailand ) in a few weeks but neither TM 28 nor TM 30 has  had to be done, at least at  Kalasin IO, after recent holiday trip to Phuket returning last Friday.

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On 2/20/2020 at 5:35 PM, rabas said:

But only when wearing a mask!

And only Chinese and Indians, "Europeans" not wearing a mask, will not pass go, and will not collect $200

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On 2/22/2020 at 2:10 PM, Don Mega said:

Ive had to do the TM.30 many times but as my permanent residence has not changed ive never had to do a TM.28.

 

I never filled any form except airport form and will never.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Isaanlawyers said:

Many people seems to complain, not understand, think everything is fine now, etc. Well, it is not as easy.

 

1) TM6 the government already stopped it for Thai people. About 2 years ago. They admitted it was not really used and promised to scrap it. That was after people started to complain about tm30.

 

2) for me, section 37 of the immigration act was more dangerous for foreigners than 38. An idiot who seems clever here by using links and letting people “it was never enforced” forgot to say that TM 30 (section 38 of the law) was also never enforced for maybe 25 years until Phuket decided to enforce it, then in March last year if I remember, Bangkok, etc. And it was applying to all travels inside the province for 24 hours.

 

now, section 37 has been changed, it was a part of the petition made, and a question asked to foreigners at the FCC by myself with a large number saying they never did it. Meaning the law is now applied because the main reason to apply section 38 (TM30) was the law is the law and we must enforce the law.

 

Well, times change, law changes and yes, they did change that.

 

3) as for TM30, in many areas of Thailand, after the protest, the local immigration told many foreigners, maybe not everywhere, you don’t have to do it, only if you leave Thailand, And actually, it is not you but your landlord.

 

so TM6 should be abolished soon.

article 37 was modified.

article 38, not applied unless recently, seems not to matter to all of us.

application online to do 90 days was improved.

government promised another applications next year to make it better.

 

if you have nothing to do and wish to complain or leave the country, up to you. My point, this is positive and without the petition, 7,000 foreigners signing it, help of Richard Barrow and Bangkok Post, it would have never happened. But some people in Thailand can nicely contact immigration, or the government, show them some problems, help the community and make it better.

 

How many keyboard warriors here behind nicknames have changes some laws or regulations in Thailand?

 

And our office does not even do visas. We received a small amount from people who wanted us to do something and we spent it all. My work was volunteer and I have permanent residency and don’t lose time with visa, tm30, 90 days notice.

 

it is unbelievable like people do not know how this project was setup, how it was delivered to immigration, who we talked to, and obviously tourism is down. Still, our initiative worked, maybe not 100%, but moved few things. And for that, I think all foreigners should be grateful instead of useless comments that are normally very negative to Thailand. I do not life this government, but I am happy with this change. What about a committee on dual pricing?

 

Now, what’s next and who wishes to participate? Is there any knowledgeable people here that wish to change parts of Thai law through negotiation or by court decision? Stop the whining and let’s move forward.

 

 

Do you really feel like superman ?

You are so funny to think that you changed anything that was not about to change anyway...

 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, gamesgplayemail said:

 

I never filled any form except airport form and will never.

 

 

That would be ideal however when I need to get a residency certificate they insist on a TM.30 so I don't see any other option than to do a TM.30, which takes only a few moment s to do online anyways.

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5 hours ago, Isaanlawyers said:

2) for me, section 37 of the immigration act was more dangerous for foreigners than 38.

Most foreigners have always been exempt from TM28 (37(3) and (4))

Section 37(2) which does not exempt any foreigners (on temporary stay permits) has not been changed, it even got a new form to use.

We will see how 37(2) will be used in the future, but it could be that your petition made the situation worse in case they try to enforce section 37(2) (form TM27) for all foreigners now, instead of TM28 for just a few.

 

5 hours ago, Isaanlawyers said:

Now, what’s next and who wishes to participate? Is there any knowledgeable people here that wish to change parts of Thai law through negotiation or by court decision? Stop the whining and let’s move forward.

The main purpose of your petition, getting rid of TM30, has thus far not been achieved, so maybe you should try this before you pat yourself on the shoulder?

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On 2/20/2020 at 5:17 PM, BestB said:

I recall a large number of doom sayers who said that online petition was a waste of time and possibly could get you into trouble for signing . Those who were brave enough to start it and sign it can now laugh in your faces. 
 

well done Isaan lawyers and all who signed to get the attention and for something to change 

This has nothing to do with that moron Sebastian--who doesn't even have a proper law degree--did in his completely ignorant act of self-promotion. Anyone who has lived in Thailand for any length of time already knew that this was the way it was going to go. Farang have ZERO effect on law and policy changes in Thailand. It's all based on what the Thai gov't is capable of administering and what Thais in positions of power want.

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6 hours ago, jackdd said:
12 hours ago, Isaanlawyers said:

Now, what’s next and who wishes to participate? Is there any knowledgeable people here that wish to change parts of Thai law through negotiation or by court decision? Stop the whining and let’s move forward.

The main purpose of your petition, getting rid of TM30, has thus far not been achieved, so maybe you should try this before you pat yourself on the shoulder?

This is surely the main point. An amendment to Section 37 and the TM28 makes no difference to the fact that Section 38 and the TM30 regulations have not been changed at all.

 

Lest we forget, the petition was about abolishing the TM30. No one was bothered about the TM28 change of address form, because this is not what immigration were fining people left right and centre over. Every single newspaper article was about abolishing the TM30, and the form was named in practically all the headlines. The TM30 has not been abolished, it's baffling how the opening article has got this so wrong. 

 

 

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On 2/20/2020 at 5:21 PM, Chicken George said:

So.. No more reporting TM30. Which our local IO insisted I do even for one night away from my permanent address? 

Wrong! No more reporting TM28 not TM30

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18 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

 

 

Lest we forget, the petition was about abolishing the TM30. No one was bothered about the TM28 change of address form, because this is not what immigration were fining people left right and centre over. Every single newspaper article was about abolishing the TM30, and the form was named in practically all the headlines. The TM30 has not been abolished, it's baffling how the opening article has got this so wrong. 

 

 

The lad from Issaanlawyers (creater of that TM.30 petition) has been in this thread blowing his own trumpet too !!

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6 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

The lad from Issaanlawyers (creater of that TM.30 petition) has been in this thread blowing his own trumpet too !!

The article this thread is based upon is total <deleted>. Who cares about the TM28, a form very few have ever used?  

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19 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

The article this thread is based upon is total <deleted>. Who cares about the TM28, a form very few have ever used?  

its all about clicks not content.

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