Russia is trying to help Trump win in 2020, lawmakers warned

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 minutes ago, looking on the bright side said:

No Russia meddling,

 

You really have to stop basing your opinions on those of an inveterate liar who wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the a**.

 

The Russian meddling was spelled out at length in the Mueller report and the various criminal indictments that his investigation produced, and those findings have been supported and endorsed by the judgments of the various U.S. intelligence agencies as they've publicly stated any number of times.

 

Whether Trump and his campaign knowingly participated in or encouraged that meddling is the only question that's reasonably open for debate.

 

 

 

Edited February 22, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[emptypockets]

On 2/21/2020 at 6:53 AM, bkk6060 said:

 

Dems have no good candidates and would destroy the economy. Americans are smarter don't want our country like liberal Euro nonsense.

Trump in landslide I guarantee it.

Followed by his daughter four years later.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, Chiphigh said:

Nonsense. There is zero evidence that Russia had any effect on the votes cast. 

 

ZERO. 

 

Accept it and move on. The same thing for his reelection. Zero Russian influence on the vote. 

 

Stop the madness 

There is also zero evidence that Russia did not affect the election.  However there is evidence that some people believed the outrageous lies about Clinton (a pedophile ring run out of a pizza restaurant, a murder conspiracy theory promoted by Russia https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-disinformation-campaign-helped-push-conspiracy-about-murdered-dnc-staffer-seth-rich/) so your claim Russia had zero influence on the vote is false.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, looking on the bright side said:

To Mr. Heybruce    -Doesn't matter how many posts I have put in Thai visa forum ,what matters is real ,true facts. You may have your opinion and stick to it. I will base my opinion only on the facts confirmed to be correct and true. Hillary Clinton lost the elections in 2016 because people voted for Trump to be the president. That's it.  Get over it. No Russia meddling, they don't need to meddle at all. 

And the losers repeat and repeat their stupid story, they seem to be insane . No wonder Trump is getting more popular, and you can't accuse Russia for that.

Have a nice day 

Your claim that there was no Russian meddling has been proven false, repeatedly.  Your claim that you aren't taking sides is obviously false.  Your concept of what qualifies as "real, true facts" is clearly lacking, or biased.

 

Number of posts is of interest because there have been many newbies joining the forum to defend Russia.  Some post with the clumsy English of a Russian who has not quite mastered English, some do better.

[metisdead]

A post using a trolling meme has been removed.

 

A post containing links to articles behind a paywall has been removed. 

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, Chiphigh said:

Nonsense. There is zero evidence that Russia had any effect on the votes cast. 

 

ZERO. 

 

Accept it and move on. The same thing for his reelection. Zero Russian influence on the vote. 

 

Stop the madness 

So let me get this right:

 

Russia meddled in the 2016 election - Fact.

 

You claim their meddling had no impact on the result.

 

Russia are now meddling again in the run up to the 2020 election - Fact.

 

It would be madness for Russia to spend money, effort and risk reprisals if there was no effect from their efforts.

 

I agree, stop the madness.

 

Unfortunately, Trump and the GOP are going out of their way to block and/or restrain efforts to combat Russian and other foreign influence on the election.

 

The question is why? 

 

We are are told by Trump and his supporters that he will walk the election with a landslide, combatting foreign interference in the election would protect the result from accusations of foreign interference and in any case is the right thing to do.

 

I don’t see many Trump supporters supporting protection of the election from foreign interference, let alone questioning why Trump and the GOP are getting in the way of efforts to do so.

[evadgib]

51 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So let me get this right:

 

Russia meddled in the 2016 election - Fact.

 

You claim their meddling had no impact on the result.

 

Russia are now meddling again in the run up to the 2020 election - Fact.

 

It would be madness for Russia to spend money, effort and risk reprisals if there was no effect from their efforts.

 

I agree, stop the madness.

 

Unfortunately, Trump and the GOP are going out of their way to block and/or restrain efforts to combat Russian and other foreign influence on the election.

 

The question is why? 

 

We are are told by Trump and his supporters that he will walk the election with a landslide, combatting foreign interference in the election would protect the result from accusations of foreign interference and in any case is the right thing to do.

 

I don’t see many Trump supporters supporting protection of the election from foreign interference, let alone questioning why Trump and the GOP are getting in the way of efforts to do so.

Trump will be re-elected due to lack of credible opposition.

 

Are Russia behind that too?

Edited February 23, 2020 by evadgib

[Tug]

55 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So let me get this right:

 

Russia meddled in the 2016 election - Fact.

 

You claim their meddling had no impact on the result.

 

Russia are now meddling again in the run up to the 2020 election - Fact.

 

It would be madness for Russia to spend money, effort and risk reprisals if there was no effect from their efforts.

 

I agree, stop the madness.

 

Unfortunately, Trump and the GOP are going out of their way to block and/or restrain efforts to combat Russian and other foreign influence on the election.

 

The question is why? 

 

We are are told by Trump and his supporters that he will walk the election with a landslide, combatting foreign interference in the election would protect the result from accusations of foreign interference and in any case is the right thing to do.

 

I don’t see many Trump supporters supporting protection of the election from foreign interference, let alone questioning why Trump and the GOP are getting in the way of efforts to do so.

Ditto chomper what really alarms me is the active weakening of our institutions that protect us and the placement of inexperienced yes men in their place the active attacking of patriots looking out for us trying times indeed

[URMySunshine]

7 hours ago, heybruce said:

Your claim that there was no Russian meddling has been proven false, repeatedly.  Your claim that you aren't taking sides is obviously false.  Your concept of what qualifies as "real, true facts" is clearly lacking, or biased.

 

Number of posts is of interest because there have been many newbies joining the forum to defend Russia.  Some post with the clumsy English of a Russian who has not quite mastered English, some do better.

If Russian troll farms are joining TVF to try and influence the next US election then they are sadly deluded. The true answer may just be much closer to home. Anyway if this was an issue one could imagine not allowing posters on the news threads until they had made say a 100 posts elsewhere on the forum. I can't see that happening though.  

[Chiphigh]

8 hours ago, heybruce said:

There is also zero evidence that Russia did not affect the election.  However there is evidence that some people believed the outrageous lies about Clinton (a pedophile ring run out of a pizza restaurant, a murder conspiracy theory promoted by Russia https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-disinformation-campaign-helped-push-conspiracy-about-murdered-dnc-staffer-seth-rich/) so your claim Russia had zero influence on the vote is false.

So in a perfect leftist example of the tactics of guilt by accusation, 

 

You say that there is no concrete proof that your conspiracy theory is false. 

 

There was no effect on the election or the votes cast. NONE 

 

Get over it. 

 

He won even with the media parroting the dnc talking points 24/7.

 

 

[Chiphigh]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So let me get this right:

 

Russia meddled in the 2016 election - Fact.

 

You claim their meddling had no impact on the result.

 

Russia are now meddling again in the run up to the 2020 election - Fact.

 

It would be madness for Russia to spend money, effort and risk reprisals if there was no effect from their efforts.

 

I agree, stop the madness.

 

Unfortunately, Trump and the GOP are going out of their way to block and/or restrain efforts to combat Russian and other foreign influence on the election.

 

The question is why? 

 

We are are told by Trump and his supporters that he will walk the election with a landslide, combatting foreign interference in the election would protect the result from accusations of foreign interference and in any case is the right thing to do.

 

I don’t see many Trump supporters supporting protection of the election from foreign interference, let alone questioning why Trump and the GOP are getting in the way of efforts to do so.

This is hilarious. 

 

OK, can you please tell us what this "Russian meddling" is? Can you tell us what you think they have done and precisely how it effected the vote? 

 

So in your delusional theory, Russia has meddled in the election in 2016, but magically did not meddle in the 2018 elections that went your way. 

 

And how is the GOP "getting in the way" 

 

It is a sad thing to see that you have to justify not getting your way with this kind of delusional theory. 

[heybruce]

6 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

So in a perfect leftist example of the tactics of guilt by accusation, 

 

You say that there is no concrete proof that your conspiracy theory is false. 

 

There was no effect on the election or the votes cast. NONE 

 

Get over it. 

 

He won even with the media parroting the dnc talking points 24/7.

 

 

I'm saying there is no way to prove this counterfactual.

 

You are saying the counterfactual has somehow been proven.  That makes you look foolish to anyone smart enough to know what a counterfactual is.

[Chiphigh]

8 hours ago, heybruce said:

Your claim that there was no Russian meddling has been proven false, repeatedly.  Your claim that you aren't taking sides is obviously false.  Your concept of what qualifies as "real, true facts" is clearly lacking, or biased.

 

Number of posts is of interest because there have been many newbies joining the forum to defend Russia.  Some post with the clumsy English of a Russian who has not quite mastered English, some do better.

You just can't let it go. 

 

Can you answer this :

 

2018 midterms went your way with leftists being elected, and there was no Russian election meddling when you agree with the result. 

 

Did they meddle in 2008 or 2012? Of course not, they went your way. 

 

Can you see the trend? 

[Chiphigh]

4 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I'm saying there is no way to prove this counterfactual.

 

You are saying the counterfactual has somehow been proven.  That makes you look foolish to anyone smart enough to know what a counterfactual is.

Your opinions are not facts Bruce. And thank you for the pseudo intellectual preening. 

 

Using the word counterfactual, while stating something is a fact when it isn't is quite an accomplishment. 

 

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

Trump will be re-elected due to lack of credible opposition.

 

Are Russia behind that too?

If that's true, why won't Trump and the Republicans take aggressive action to prevent Russian meddling, thus ensuring the credibility of his re-election?

[pmarlin]

21 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

And, no, CNN hasn't backed off the notion that all of this is Russia working on behalf of Trump:

 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/21/politics/bernie-sanders-russia-election-interference/index.html

 

Russia apparently has used this same exact Trump-Sanders playbook before.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html

 

Using CNN as a source won't prove your point

[heybruce]

11 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

You just can't let it go. 

 

Can you answer this :

 

2018 midterms went your way with leftists being elected, and there was no Russian election meddling when you agree with the result. 

 

Did they meddle in 2008 or 2012? Of course not, they went your way. 

 

Can you see the trend? 

You clearly can't see the trend.  Russia has been meddling, or attempting to meddle, in US elections for a long time.  They upped their game significantly in 2016, and according to US intelligence agencies they are attempting the same in 2020.  I'm sure they did what they could in 2018, but Presidential elections are of greatest interest to them.

 

When did I or anyone else ever claim that Russian only meddled in the 2016 election?

[heybruce]

8 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Your opinions are not facts Bruce. And thank you for the pseudo intellectual preening. 

 

Using the word counterfactual, while stating something is a fact when it isn't is quite an accomplishment. 

 

The only fact that I stated is that there is no way of knowing how the 2016 election would have turned out if there had been no Russian meddling.  You stated as fact that the meddling had no affect.  That is wrong.

[harriott456]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

You clearly can't see the trend.  Russia has been meddling, or attempting to meddle, in US elections for a long time.  They upped their game significantly in 2016, and according to US intelligence agencies they are attempting the same in 2020.  I'm sure they did what they could in 2018, but Presidential elections are of greatest interest to them.

 

When did I or anyone else ever claim that Russian only meddled in the 2016 election?

Dream on, you just cant accept the loss..and upcoming win again for Trump

[heybruce]

22 minutes ago, harriott456 said:

Dream on, you just cant accept the loss..and upcoming win again for Trump

Lots of newbies posting pro-Trump stuff here. 

[looking on the bright side]

To Mr.Haybruce  -  The number of posts here is not an intellectual achievement, everybody can have his or her say.  You may think or believe what you want . What I said was the Russians couldn't and didn't influence the elections in the US. They wouldn't even try.  Hillary Clinton -the worst candidate ever . Also ,it seems something is wrong with her. If she can't get over her defeat, and  if she blames some other country for her shocking loss, it is a sign she may need medical help. All this Russiagate  blah-blah is to cover her trickery and corruption.

Have a nice day !

[WalkingOrders]

On 2/22/2020 at 9:05 AM, Sujo said:

Why do candidates advertise, its because it works. Why do they post on social media, because it works.

How would you know if what you heard and believe was from a russian bot.

 

Even trump said he gets his message out on social media.

 

Then again, some will be happy enough to vote the putin/trump ticket in november.

There is no such ticket. Obviously proved by US foreign policy, and the Mueller report, more to come with Durham. Standby for heavy rolls!

[simple1]

20 minutes ago, looking on the bright side said:

What I said was the Russians couldn't and didn't influence the elections in the US.

<SNIP>

You're making a claim without evidence and contrary to the advice of the US Intelligence agencies community. Would be helpful to see your your credible sources links, otherwise one assumes just trolling nonsense.

 

For the meantime, as retired US Admiral William McRaven has stated regards trump's administration efforts at suppressing truth concerning Russian interference.

 

“When good men and women can’t speak the truth, when facts are inconvenient, when integrity and character no longer matter, when presidential ego and self-preservation are more important than national security – then there is nothing left to stop the triumph of evil,”

 

Edited February 23, 2020 by simple1

[WalkingOrders]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

If that's true, why won't Trump and the Republicans take aggressive action to prevent Russian meddling, thus ensuring the credibility of his re-election?

They have. What do you have in mind? Shutdown of the internet? A military attack on Russia? 

[WalkingOrders]

14 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

You really have to stop basing your opinions on those of an inveterate liar who wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the a**.

 

The Russian meddling was spelled out at length in the Mueller report and the various criminal indictments that his investigation produced, and those findings have been supported and endorsed by the judgments of the various U.S. intelligence agencies as they've publicly stated any number of times.

 

Whether Trump and his campaign knowingly participated in or encouraged that meddling is the only question that's reasonably open for debate.

 

 

 

According to the Mueller report, that debate is over!

[Gene1960]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

If that's true, why won't Trump and the Republicans take aggressive action to prevent Russian meddling, thus ensuring the credibility of his re-election?

What aggressive action do you have in your mind?

 

[WalkingOrders]

19 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Still can’t differentiate between socialist and communist. By the way, is subsidy a socialist act? 

They both call each other comrade. No other distinction is needed. They are both my enemy. Neither will be President of my country. Take that to the bank!

[mlmcleod]

No wonder Trump fired his intelligence chief and appointed a loyal hack to the job!  The truth has no business anywhere in his administration.

[candide]

3 hours ago, Chiphigh said:

You just can't let it go. 

 

Can you answer this :

 

2018 midterms went your way with leftists being elected, and there was no Russian election meddling when you agree with the result. 

 

Did they meddle in 2008 or 2012? Of course not, they went your way. 

 

Can you see the trend? 

Who said there was no interference in 2018?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/01/mattis-confirms-russia-interfered-in-us-midterm-elections-putin-trump/

 

Edited February 23, 2020 by candide

[candide]

54 minutes ago, Gene1960 said:

What aggressive action do you have in your mind?

 

Just listen to experts, and look at the election security bills the TOP rejected.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/19/17023240/election-2018-russia-interference-stop-prevent

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/482569-senate-gop-blocks-three-election-security-bills