World must act fast to contain coronavirus: WHO's Tedros

[tifino]

6 minutes ago, WaveHunter said:

BTW, just an interesting tidbit of information.  The word quarantine comes from a seventeenth-century Venetian variant of the Italian quaranta giorni, meaning forty days, the period that all ships were required to be isolated before passengers and crew could go ashore during the Black Death plague epidemic. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarantine

 

Currently, with COVID-19 the quarantine period is 14 days but there is increasing consensus that this is not long enough.  At least 2 studies of coronavirus patients suggest the disease's incubation period could be longer, according to a BusinessInsider report

 

Of course, these studies are not conclusive proof but this is a brand new infectious agent so many things are really not conclusive, but are still very important to consider until more is really known.

 

The useless CEO (or is he really the CFO) of WHO? can spray whatever up wind  

 

It is really going to end up the Individual to self discipline oneself, and self Quarantine. 

If the individual fails that, then enforced discipline ios something the UN is good at...

 

[WaveHunter]

8 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I enjoyed the Gordon Chang video.I also equate trying to stop this virus spreading is like running around with a bucket in a thunder storm trying to catch all the rain drops before they hit the ground with both feet tied together.

He is a pretty well-spoken guy, isn't he?  I've read several of his books.  He is really a prolific author besides being a gifted public speaker.

 

One of his books I really liked was Nuclear Showdown: North Korea Takes On the World.  He wrote it back in 2006 when North Korea was really not that much in the news as it has been during the last couple of years.  The book was a real eye-opener to me, and much of what he said back then is proving to be true today.  Even though it's kind of old in a rapidly changing political world, I think it's still a worthwhile book to read to get a real insight into North Korea.

 

 

[Stargeezr]

Yes so many countries have caught up and passed Thailands magical number of 35.

  Some other countries have had some deaths. Thailand is truly Amazing, with the number

of cases, frozen at 35, and no deaths. Fantastic, or fantasy?

Hmmm.

Geezer

[URMySunshine]

If you'd told me a few weeks ago that this year we would have a pandemic, a famine and a complete meltdown of the financial system I'd have thought you were nuts.  Yet here we are. A pandemic has spread to Europe, Iran, Korea and is causing mayhem in China. A plague of locusts, supposedly from Africa, has somehow migrated to China. And central banks are busy trying to cure a plague by printing money. Maybe we are entering the end times. Thank God we have President Trump leading the way....ARGHHHHHH

 

[3NUMBAS]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/four-uk-covid-19-cases-cruise-ship-evacuees-161100036.html

 

Four of the British and Irish evacuees who landed back in the UK from Japan yesterday have tested positive for COVID-19, England's chief medical officer has said.

The virus was transmitted when they were on the Diamond Princess cruise ship.

It means there are now 13 confirmed cases in the UK.

The new ones are being transferred from Arrowe Park Hospital on the Wirral to specialist NHS infection centres.

They were due to be quarantined for two weeks, having already spent 14 days in isolation on the ship.

Thirty Britons and two Irish citizens landed at Boscombe Down Ministry of Defence base near Salisbury, Wiltshire, before being taken to hospital by coach on Saturday.

Three coaches carried passengers wearing masks and medical professionals in white hazmat suits.

[3NUMBAS]

italian towns in lockdown after a big surge in cases and no idea who patient zero was or its puzzling

[3NUMBAS]

3 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

Yes so many countries have caught up and passed Thailands magical number of 35.

  Some other countries have had some deaths. Thailand is truly Amazing, with the number

of cases, frozen at 35, and no deaths. Fantastic, or fantasy?

Hmmm.

Geezer

italy has passed LOS now

[WaveHunter]

Japan currently has the 3rd highest number of confirmed cases of COVID-19 outside of China, and if you include the number of confirmed cases on the Diamond Princess (which is reasonable to do since Japanese bureaucrats were completely in charge of that fiasco), that means that Japan has more cases than any other country outside of China.

 

And it is no mystery why this is so.

 

It really astounds me how poorly the Japanese authorities handled the Diamond Princess cruise ship quarantine.  By all accounts of leading international experts including the US Center for Disease Control, as well as Japan's own leading epidemiologists, the quarantine was an absolute failure.  Some even referred to it as a "floating petri dish of infection" 

Kentaro Iwata, professor of infectious diseases at Kobe University Hospital, posted a YouTube video after boarding the Diamond Princess on Tuesday. Dr Iwata described a chaotic environment on board with regular violations of infection control.  He alleged there was “no professional infection control person” aboard the ship and said, “Bureaucrats were in charge of everything.”

See Science Magazine news story

See Kentaro Iwata's YouTube interview

 

And then to make matters even worse, these bureaucrats have allowed 500 Japanese citizens to leave the ship and return home, even against the advice of scientific experts such as the CDC. 

 

In light of the fact that the quarantine was a total failure and therefore many of these people could be infected yet asymptomatic, how could this possibly be allowed to happen?  It sounds incredibly irresponsible to say the least.

See New Story:  US warns against releasing Diamond Princess passengers in Japan

 

This is even more disturbing when you consider that nobody really knows for sure what the actual incubation time is for this virus.  The current rule of thumb is 14 days, but there are now studies appearing that claim the incubation time could be significantly longer.

 

At least 2 studies of coronavirus patients suggest the disease's incubation period could be longer. (Click for details and links to studies).

 

If bureaucrats continue to make critical decisions based on fulfilling political agendas, rather than what best safeguards public health, things are going to rapidly get out of control. 

 

We really can't tolerate too many more of these incredibly stupid bureaucratic blunders.  The global community is already on a slippery slope with this global outbreak.  Once the "Window of Opportunity" closes, control will be lost, and all we'll be able to do then is hope for the best.

 

Let the true scientists run the show; not the politicians, not the bureaucrats, not mass media, and most of all, not the WHO! 

 

 

Edited February 23, 2020 by WaveHunter

[ukrules]

Tedros is an idiot, it's far too late to contain this, I suspect he knows this already anyway.

 

When they find the first case in a country it's already been present for weeks while they haven't been doing proper tests, because if they did then they would almost certainly have located dozens more just like it.

 

[Kinnock]

It's lucky it's not as serious as SARS, MERS OR Ebola, as the denial and delays in China, plus the botched controls in many countries has allowed it to become a pandemic.

 

And are we really expected to believe it's spreading in Iran and Italy, but not in Africa or Latin America?

[sammieuk1]

6 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

Yes so many countries have caught up and passed Thailands magical number of 35.

  Some other countries have had some deaths. Thailand is truly Amazing, with the number

of cases, frozen at 35, and no deaths. Fantastic, or fantasy?

Hmmm.

Geezer

You will also be amazed to know the bloke who told you that everything is 100% under control is actually a general masquerading in a suit and masquerading as a PM to????

[URMySunshine]

7 hours ago, WaveHunter said:

Japan currently has the 3rd highest number of confirmed cases of COVID-19 outside of China, and if you include the number of confirmed cases on the Diamond Princess (which is reasonable to do since Japanese bureaucrats were completely in charge of that fiasco), that means that Japan has more cases than any other country outside of China.

 

And it is no mystery why this is so.

 

It really astounds me how poorly the Japanese authorities handled the Diamond Princess cruise ship quarantine.  By all accounts of leading international experts including the US Center for Disease Control, as well as Japan's own leading epidemiologists, the quarantine was an absolute failure.  Some even referred to it as a "floating petri dish of infection" 

Kentaro Iwata, professor of infectious diseases at Kobe University Hospital, posted a YouTube video after boarding the Diamond Princess on Tuesday. Dr Iwata described a chaotic environment on board with regular violations of infection control.  He alleged there was “no professional infection control person” aboard the ship and said, “Bureaucrats were in charge of everything.”

See Science Magazine news story

See Kentaro Iwata's YouTube interview

 

And then to make matters even worse, these bureaucrats have allowed 500 Japanese citizens to leave the ship and return home, even against the advice of scientific experts such as the CDC. 

 

In light of the fact that the quarantine was a total failure and therefore many of these people could be infected yet asymptomatic, how could this possibly be allowed to happen?  It sounds incredibly irresponsible to say the least.

See New Story:  US warns against releasing Diamond Princess passengers in Japan

 

This is even more disturbing when you consider that nobody really knows for sure what the actual incubation time is for this virus.  The current rule of thumb is 14 days, but there are now studies appearing that claim the incubation time could be significantly longer.

 

At least 2 studies of coronavirus patients suggest the disease's incubation period could be longer. (Click for details and links to studies).

 

If bureaucrats continue to make critical decisions based on fulfilling political agendas, rather than what best safeguards public health, things are going to rapidly get out of control. 

 

We really can't tolerate too many more of these incredibly stupid bureaucratic blunders.  The global community is already on a slippery slope with this global outbreak.  Once the "Window of Opportunity" closes, control will be lost, and all we'll be able to do then is hope for the best.

 

Let the true scientists run the show; not the politicians, not the bureaucrats, not mass media, and most of all, not the WHO! 

 

 

TBH when you look at the infectivity of this pathogen and the fact that it is a pandemic (WHO must surely be on the brink of declaring it) it is virtually uncontainable. The next defence is to but time by containment and hope to provide resilience in our health care facilities. We are human all too human after all. What we have seen in China is what is coming to the world now and real soon sadly.

[WaveHunter]

23 FEBRUARY INTERNATIONAL CASE STATISTICS UPDATE

MY COMMENT RE ABOVE NUMBERS:  Many of these numbers are highly suspect, particularly from China, but also USA, Thailand, Vietnam, and Iran.  IMO the most reliable numbers are coming from Singapore, South Korea, and perhaps Italy due to the transparency of their governments in releasing relevant data in a timely fashion, and the fact that they are keeping their citizens and the global community well informed with useful facts, and taking proactive measures to contain outbreaks instead of trying to simply placate everyone with nonsensical "feel good" rhetoric.

 

Of course this is just my opinion but if you look at the static change in numbers over time, lack of data for certain parameters, and derived Serious Complication Rate (serious cases divided by confirmed cases), things just do not add up correctly.

 

 

 

Edited February 24, 2020 by WaveHunter

[WaveHunter]

23 FEBRUARY INTERNATIONAL NEWS UPDATE

Source of news information:  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

ADDITIONAL NEWS REGARDING IRAN OUTBREAK:

Surrounding countries to Iran are shutting down border crossing to/from Iran, and the EU is on heightened alert regarding Italy.

Edited February 24, 2020 by WaveHunter

[DrTuner]

15 hours ago, URMySunshine said:

If you'd told me a few weeks ago that this year we would have a pandemic, a famine and a complete meltdown of the financial system I'd have thought you were nuts.  Yet here we are. A pandemic has spread to Europe, Iran, Korea and is causing mayhem in China. A plague of locusts, supposedly from Africa, has somehow migrated to China. And central banks are busy trying to cure a plague by printing money. Maybe we are entering the end times. Thank God we have President Trump leading the way....ARGHHHHHH

You forgot the drought. 

[WaveHunter]

THE LURKING THREAT THAT NOT MANY PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT:  A POSSIBLE GLOBAL ECONOMIC CRISIS RESULTING FROM SUPPLY CHAIN DISRUPTIONS.

 

Probably more than 50% of people from around the world may be affected by global supply chain disruptions as a result of China manufacturing being shut down or seriously impaired beyond the month of February.

 

Consider this chart, showing China's predominance in world manufacturing:

 

You can't just shut out over 30% of global manufacturing without creating an enormous global economic crisis.  It's not just finished goods coming out of China to consider, but all the intermediate products coming out of China needed for manufacturing finished goods outside of China such as automobiles, aircraft, electronics, pharmaceuticals, etc... .

 

Pharmaceuticals are serious concern since China is the predominant manufacturer in the world of key ingredients in the global supply chain for antibiotics, diabetes drugs, painkillers and antiretrovirals for HIV.

 

Additionally, Indian pharmaceutical companies, which produce over 20% of the world's drugs supply by volume, rely on 70% of the raw materials required for production coming from China.

 

Nobody is really sure at this point how much supply chains will be affected but in the case of pharmaceuticals, some industry sources are saying if China remains shut down beyond February, serious international shortages will become a reality.

 

Edited February 24, 2020 by WaveHunter

[DrTuner]

It's a golden opportunity to exclude China completely from supply chains. Yeah, it'll hurt, but at the end you're no longer dependent on commies. Worth it.

[WaveHunter]

This is a really good interview with Curtis Ellis, policy director with America First Policies on the dangers of over-reliance on China in regard to offshore manufacturing. 

 

It's really one of the best discussions I've heard in relation to potential supply chain disruptions caused by the current situation in China, and how it will affect the entire world. 

 

This guy really knows what he's talking about.  Excellent interview, well worth watching.

 

https://youtu.be/GLJmTnT6JiQ

 

Edited February 24, 2020 by WaveHunter

[WaveHunter]

36 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

It's a golden opportunity to exclude China completely from supply chains. Yeah, it'll hurt, but at the end you're no longer dependent on commies. Worth it.

That would be nice but it's not gonna happen when China is currently providing over a third of manufactured goods to the world, many of them being critical goods or components of finished goods such as pharmaceuticals, electronics related to vital things like finance and commerce, infrastructure management, and industries vital for a country's economic well being and national security like the automotive industry, aircraft manufacturing.

 

Supply chain disruptions can have a huge impact on industries that rely on just-in-time supply chain management  (JIT) such as automobile manufacturing, aircraft production, etc.  For lack of some simple component made in China like a wiring harness for instance, could bring the entire production line for a car manufacturer to a grinding halt.

 

It would be impossible to cut supply from China cold-turkey, but this should be a wake-up call for the world to start reducing reliance on China or any other single source.  That's just crazy.  Apparently we've forgotten the old adage. "Don't put all your eggs in one basket"

Edited February 24, 2020 by WaveHunter

[Rhys]

This guy should be fired.. what a joke.. China's Teddy.

[3NUMBAS]

everybody has become too dependant on china i doubt they could  disconnect now .

anyways here the latest.. the yanks couldnt do without cheap goods from china .3M especially as they trade ultra cheap goods from china and make a big markup

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11024353/coronavirus-italy-dead-alitalia-plane-mauritius/

GHOST TOWNS

Italy sees its SEVENTH coronavirus death as ‘Alitalia plane held after arriving in Mauritius and passengers quarantined’

 

[3NUMBAS]

the future in bangers

 

[3NUMBAS]

A fresh batch of cases have been declared across Europe, as the number of coronavirus infections continue to rise in Italy.

Switzerland, Croatia and Austria have all confirmed their first cases.

Meanwhile 1,000 holidaymakers staying at a hotel in Tenerife are under lockdown after an Italian tourist tested positive and the first possible case in mainland Spain was flagged earlier this afternoon. 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-uk-italy-china-south-korea-pandemic/