Future Forward accuses Prayut of involvement in Malaysian 1MDB scam

[Mattd]

45 minutes ago, steven100 said:

As I mentioned, Khun Prayut has support across Thailand and especially up country.

I have no idea where you get this notion from, I work with a good cross section of Thais and know a good deal more and not ONE of them likes the man and not one of them think he is doing a good job.

[FarFlungFalang]

27 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

"He has big support up country" really? I'm up country and everbody (Thais) I know hates him.

And turn the pyramid the right way up as it looks very unstable and easily toppled the way they had it.Better to build upon a sturdy board base.

Edited February 24, 2020 by FarFlungFalang

[christophe75]

Unfortunately... this accusation comes just after the court decision.

This simple fact undermines the whole process.

 

2 solutions :

-1-it's fake, and the banished party wants some revenge, to stirr unrest etc.

Fair enough. I mean it's easy to understand their anger.

 

-2- it's true... But the party didn't disclose it before... thinking they could use it as a "trump card".

Then it's a huge tactical (and strategic) mistake.

 

With a corrupted system, you don't "hold" onto damaging information. You don't try to make "closed doors" deal with the corrupted. You use everything you have against it, right away. You destroy your ennemy. And you take the people as witness.

 

So.. sorry, but 1 or 2... it doesn't feel right.

Edited February 24, 2020 by christophe75

[phkauf]

If only they could prove that some money changed hands, then it becomes money laundering and will likely result in serious sanctions by the EU, Swiss and USA. And given the likely amount of Thai money holed up in Swiss bank accounts this could hurt hard. The 1MDB mess is very nasty and involves some of the highest players in the finance industry, so this will not get swept under the rug. Goldman Sachs is looking at a multi-Billion $ fine from the US and mult-Billion $ legal settlement with Malaysia. Najib and his wife are looking at long, long prison sentences and would gladly roll over on Prayut & Company for some leniency. 

For those not familiar with 1MDB, it's an amazing tale. Shocked it didn't happen in Thailand, it's that corrupt and sleazy.

Edited February 24, 2020 by phkauf
Clarification

[rkidlad]

4 minutes ago, christophe75 said:

Unfortunately... this accusation comes just after the court decision.

This simple fact undermines the whole process.

 

2 solutions :

-1-it's fake, and the banished party wants some revenge, to stirr unrest etc.

Fair enough. I mean it's easy to understand their anger.

 

-2- it's true... But the party didn't disclose it before... thinking they could use it as a "trump card".

Then it's a huge tactical (and strategic) mistake.

 

With a corrupted system, you don't "hold" onto damaging information. You don't try to make "closed doors" deal with the corrupted. You use everything you have against it, right away. You destroy your ennemy. And you take the people as witness.

 

So.. sorry, but 1 or 2... it doesn't feel right.

It has many Thais asking the question, "What is 1MDB?". FFP also said after yesterday, "To be continued........" 

[JAG]

52 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

That is the issue - they have all been banned for 10 years in Thailand politics.  Anyone know what happens to those seats they won? Will there be by-elections? If so, that is the chance for another anti-Junta Party and People to stand, and how many votes they get would be interesting.  Or has the Junta just gotten rid of some troublesome members and no one replaces them? 

 

I believe the seats will remain vacant until the next election. No matter, as the people have all those senators to represent their interests...

[phkauf]

10 minutes ago, christophe75 said:

Unfortunately... this accusation comes just after the court decision.

This simple fact undermines the whole process.

 

2 solutions :

-1-it's fake, and the banished party wants some revenge, to stirr unrest etc.

Fair enough. I mean it's easy to understand their anger.

 

-2- it's true... But the party didn't disclose it before... thinking they could use it as a "trump card".

Then it's a huge tactical (and strategic) mistake.

 

With a corrupted system, you don't "hold" onto damaging information. You don't try to make "closed doors" deal with the corrupted. You use everything you have against it, right away. You destroy your ennemy. And you take the people as witness.

 

So.. sorry, but 1 or 2... it doesn't feel right.

I agree with your logic, but I think what happened here is a form of #2. The FFP probably let on they had this info before the ruling, but the gov't didn't ease up. So now they come public and try to burn the whole thing down, instead of playing along and keeping quiet.

Once again, the gov't misplayed their hand and if the accusations are true and verifiable, this could be devastating for them. 1MDB brought down Najib's Gov't in Malaysia against all odds - could happen here.

[WineOh]

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

Tourists keep coming and infrastructure continues to be created. 

enough said.

 

 

Seriously, what planet are you on mate?

[martin3]

51 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

"He has big support up country" really? I'm up country and everbody (Thais) I know hates him.

you are so correct,thats what i have heard also....but of course everyone is entitled to their opion,but lets not forget the election and how none of the numbers added up,and as far as i remember many countries were asking for transparency!

[AussieBob18]

Like many others, I initially thought the Junta in Government was a good thing.  They shut down the riots and they started to impose law and order - so many corrupt practices were starting to be dealt with - the Army started taking control and seemed to be doing a good job.  And then things started to change - both in politics and my opinion.  The police/govt/wealthy corruption started to be overtaken by the military/wealthy corruption and it kept getting worse.  The ethnic nature of the Junta leaders (Chinese Thais) started to show their true intentions - they are Xenophobic to westerners and they are aligned with China. In the past Thailand was able to support both Chinese expansion and USA/EU control while remaoning more of a 'western' country. But this went away after the passing of the King and the Junta went full-blown pro-China and anti-West.  They also decided that in order to maintain this geoblobal direction that they would change the political system so that they could stay in power to ensure 'conversion'.  Unimpinged by any authority (you know what I mean) they strode ahead and convinced enough people that they were the best Party to take the country forward - while never releasing their true nature and intentions. 

 

But that con job is now finished - my Thai wife was right all along - they would never give up their power, they would become more corrupt than was there before, and they would make things worse for ordinary Thai People.  But the good news is that more and more Thais are seeing them for what they are - and IMO they are going to be thrown out in 2021 elections.  But will the Thais wait until then is the big question. I do hope so - but I fear the Junta will try other things to stay in power - all supported by China of course.  If they do then this can only end one way - badly. 

[Isaan Alan]

2 hours ago, Das Boot said:

The solution is simple & obvious (unless individuals have been banned from politics as well) start a new party...  I have to admit, I haven't followed this all that closely, so not sure of the extent of the ban & censure.

That's true and they probably will but 10? 12? key leaders have been banned from politics for 10 years and their seats in parliament are now vacant giving the government more wiggle room in votes. 

Let's see some scrutiny of the government's financial arrangement being the slimy way they banned FF. Oh what am I saying, as the Thai spokesman says, Thailand has it's own culture.

[neeray]

2 hours ago, steven100 said:

give it a break will ya ..... no one is listening or cares as it's just another case of trying to stir up trouble.

Tit for tat (not that TaT) is alive and well. Unjustifiably sh*t on a whole party (and its 6 million supporters) as was done and much more will hit the fan in return.

[scorecard]

22 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

Like many others, I initially thought the Junta in Government was a good thing.  They shut down the riots and they started to impose law and order - so many corrupt practices were starting to be dealt with - the Army started taking control and seemed to be doing a good job.  And then things started to change - both in politics and my opinion.  The police/govt/wealthy corruption started to be overtaken by the military/wealthy corruption and it kept getting worse.  The ethnic nature of the Junta leaders (Chinese Thais) started to show their true intentions - they are Xenophobic to westerners and they are aligned with China. In the past Thailand was able to support both Chinese expansion and USA/EU control while remaoning more of a 'western' country. But this went away after the passing of the King and the Junta went full-blown pro-China and anti-West.  They also decided that in order to maintain this geoblobal direction that they would change the political system so that they could stay in power to ensure 'conversion'.  Unimpinged by any authority (you know what I mean) they strode ahead and convinced enough people that they were the best Party to take the country forward - while never releasing their true nature and intentions. 

 

But that con job is now finished - my Thai wife was right all along - they would never give up their power, they would become more corrupt than was there before, and they would make things worse for ordinary Thai People.  But the good news is that more and more Thais are seeing them for what they are - and IMO they are going to be thrown out in 2021 elections.  But will the Thais wait until then is the big question. I do hope so - but I fear the Junta will try other things to stay in power - all supported by China of course.  If they do then this can only end one way - badly. 

Quote from above:

 

"...But the good news is that more and more Thais are seeing them for what they are - and IMO they are going to be thrown out in 2021 elections.  But will the Thais wait until then is the big question."

 

Agree and yes I hope they are thrown out.

 

But I'm convinced more and more that they will take whatever action is needed, ignoring ethics and morals, to ensure they remain in power. 

 

Becoming frightening.

 

[TheAppletons]

3 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Steven, the Twitter hashtag #1MDB is now at 1.72 million. It's not often you see a hashtag in Thailand go up so quickly. 

  One might say it's gone "viral" but in Thailand nothing, apparently, goes viral.

[sammieuk1]

No room for honest guys at the mob hotel is there????

[5633572526]

2 hours ago, Das Boot said:

The solution is simple & obvious (unless individuals have been banned from politics as well) start a new party...  I have to admit, I haven't followed this all that closely, so not sure of the extent of the ban & censure.

Officials of future forward were banned for 10 years 

[Yadon Toploy]

Morals and ethics are non-existent with this lot.

[Surasak]

2 hours ago, steven100 said:

sorry to disagree ...

I believe Khun Prayut Chan O Cha will be around for a long time yet. He isn't going anywhere.

He has big support up country as I have witnessed on many occasions.

Thais are happy to have the security and stability, they are sick and tired of road blocks and protests and fighting. Farang keep telling us Thailand is going down the drain and it's the final nail in the coffin and bla ..bla ..bla .. but funny thing is Thailand just keeps ticking over as it has done for the last decade and will continue for decades to come. Tourists keep coming and infrastructure continues to be created. 

enough said.

 

 

50% short of your 100 Steven. Many Thais I know are very careful of what they say in public about the present government. And, explain why the military are covertly gathered in force in many parts of the north east?

[Grumpy John]

M first thought was: If you go around making claims like that you had better have a good supply of facts and evidence to back it up!  Getting dragged into court would be the least of your worries.  Getting deposited in a shallow grave next to the late Mr Low would be a higher concern.  Second though was: We foreigners need to be careful who we throw our support behind.  The PM gets plenty of <deleted> thrown at him on here, occasionally from me too, and as much as I detest how the constitution was drafted and the way the election was engineered the fact is we don't get a say in any of it.  We are just temporarily residing  in a country that cares not what we think! 

[PatOngo]

1 hour ago, manhood said:

They must be kicked out of power!

Novel thought, but just who's going to do that??? The next general in line?

[Matzzon]

2 hours ago, Assurancetourix said:

and unless you cut the internet all over the country, you can't sweep it all under the rug ...

Has absolutely nothing to do with cutting Internet. The biggest problem is that there are no rugs in that size available. ????

[spidermike007]

If there is anything that is a sure thing, it is that the army and this administration, is very corrupt. About time the people started accusing them of such. 

 

Thailand has been diminished dramatically in the eyes of the world for many years now. 6 years precisely. You guys have no right to complain, when you act with such fear of competition, and such utter contempt for the average Thai. All Thai sovereignty means in this day and age is letting the army do as they please. Means nothing to the entire planet outside Thailand. And a note to the army. Thailand IS NOT the center of the universe, and you ARE NOT taking care of your people, one iota. You deserve all the criticism you get. It is all warranted.

[monkfish]

3 hours ago, steven100 said:

give it a break will ya ..... no one is listening or cares as it's just another case of trying to stir up trouble.

So what you are saying is they should just ignore corruption?
 

[christophe75]

The 1MDB scam... is nothing new.

 

Why it comes out now ? And why it could be the sign of something much more interesting ?

 

The fact that Thailand has aligned with China, and that a majority of thai people are upset (those 2 facts can't be denied)... could lead to the only thing that could work actually.

 

A "colored revolution", designed/supported by... the USA !

 

During the Vietnam war and until recently.. Thailand was an asset of USA (military etc.)

 

But now ?

 

To weaken China... it would be so easy to weaken Thailand !

 

From my point of view it's now the biggest threat against the junta (let's use real names here).

 

A vote ? An uprising from the people ? Without any help from the outside ? I do not believe it.

 

So when the USA will decide to remove the carpet.... beware mister generals...

 

Your links with China... make you vulnerable. Look at the difference with Vietnam (opposed to China, even the vietnamese people dislike China).

 

USA pivots to Vietnam. And undermine/overthrow Thailand.

 

A brillant double move. ????

Edited February 24, 2020 by christophe75

[soalbundy]

Surely not ????

[TheAppletons]

"Future Forward Party spokesperson Pannika Wanich....."

 

  Yeah, I would.  ????

[The Deerhunter]

3 hours ago, steven100 said:

sorry to disagree ...

I believe Khun Prayut Chan O Cha will be around for a long time yet. He isn't going anywhere.

He has big support up country as I have witnessed on many occasions.

Thais are happy to have the security and stability, they are sick and tired of road blocks and protests and fighting. Farang keep telling us Thailand is going down the drain and it's the final nail in the coffin and bla ..bla ..bla .. but funny thing is Thailand just keeps ticking over as it has done for the last decade and will continue for decades to come. Tourists keep coming and infrastructure continues to be created. 

enough said.

 

 

Tourists keep coming eh?  And food exports also selling as easily as before with the baht so high?  Not on the  farms owned by people I have had contact with!!!!!   I suggest you do your homework. before coming a fan boy for the incumbent "Thai Democracy".  

[Metropolitian]

I am happy with Steven100 and his posts here.

It shows that forums can run well with opposites.

And remembering ourself what we are standing for.

Something that is missing in the current parliament.

[PatOngo]

59 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

About time the people started accusing them of such. 

While ever there's rice for their next meal, I don't think they'll bother!

[steven100]

51 minutes ago, monkfish said:

So what you are saying is they should just ignore corruption?
 

no i'm not saying that, but it works both ways, farang like it when it gets them off the hook like a speeding fine or a get out of jail card.  This is Thailand so we can whinge about it until the cows come home but it ain't gunna change a thing,  Thailand is what it is and that's why most choose to live here because of the freedom and not the nanny state that I came from. imo.