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Merkel's party, far-right AfD punished in German state vote

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1 hour ago, webfact said:

"Nazis out,"

As I expected. They still have not evolved since WWII.

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Being judgemental - the leader of the Party looks like a radical progressive feminist to me.  The social experiement that is Germany under Merkel's rule and with the EU dissolving, will continue to be a disaster - both economically and socially.  And the big problem with that is obvious - the Germans are not well known for being nice when things get tough.  They danger is that they are likely to elect some left wing radical socialist leader - like they did in the 30s.

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5 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

Being judgemental - the leader of the Party looks like a radical progressive feminist to me.  The social experiement that is Germany under Merkel's rule and with the EU dissolving, will continue to be a disaster - both economically and socially.  And the big problem with that is obvious - the Germans are not well known for being nice when things get tough.  They danger is that they are likely to elect some left wing radical socialist leader - like they did in the 30s.

 

Erm, the fact that the Nazis called themselves the National Socialist Party (or Bocialist if you follow Monty Python) did not make them socialists!! Ask Stalin!

 

However, Hitler was certainly "radical"....

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You know the 4th Turkish city ? Berlin-Kreuzberg.

Little Hanau 96.023 inhabitants (31. Dec. 2018). According a Turkish person, living there - just after the right-wing terrorist attack a week ago - , 20.ooo were of Turkish descent. Not completely integrated. There lies the real problem.

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2 hours ago, blazes said:
8 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

Being judgemental - the leader of the Party looks like a radical progressive feminist to me.  The social experiement that is Germany under Merkel's rule and with the EU dissolving, will continue to be a disaster - both economically and socially.  And the big problem with that is obvious - the Germans are not well known for being nice when things get tough.  They danger is that they are likely to elect some left wing radical socialist leader - like they did in the 30s.

 

Erm, the fact that the Nazis called themselves the National Socialist Party (or Bocialist if you follow Monty Python) did not make them socialists ! ! Ask Stalin !

However, Hitler was certainly "radical"....

How can you expect an Aussie yo have the slightest idea about German politics a 80 years ago ? 

There is a HUGE difference between the Nazi party  even for the beginning of the 30's) and the AfD.

 

While refugees catch the headlines, most migrants come from other parts of Europe. Only 15% of the 20.8 million people (= 25% of all Germans with 82 mln) with an immigrant background came as asylum-seekers. see   https://www.dw.com/en/germany-208-million-people-with-immigrant-background/a-50108141

 

And.. EU dissolving… I expect the UK to split a lot earlier, maybe already this year. 

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4 hours ago, blazes said:

 

Erm, the fact that the Nazis called themselves the National Socialist Party (or Bocialist if you follow Monty Python) did not make them socialists!! Ask Stalin!

 

However, Hitler was certainly "radical"....

True - they were Nationalist Socialists that became Fascists under Hitler once they gained total power and control over the country.   Socialists believe that society and production should be controlled by the 'collective' for the benefit of all - which in practice always ends up being a select few.  But fascists strongly enforce centralised control over society and production, and use nationalism to control the people and extreme force to remove any opposition,  As shown by Stalin himself, the step from communism to fascism takes a simliar path. 

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1 hour ago, AussieBob18 said:

True - they were Nationalist Socialists that became Fascists under Hitler once they gained total power and control over the country.   Socialists believe that society and production should be controlled by the 'collective' for the benefit of all - which in practice always ends up being a select few.  But fascists strongly enforce centralised control over society and production, and use nationalism to control the people and extreme force to remove any opposition,  As shown by Stalin himself, the step from communism to fascism takes a simliar path. 

Just because they called themselves "National Socialists" doesn't mean that they ever were, And in fact, once in power Hitler quickly allied himself with the interests of the major industrialists.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zw6s7p3/revision/3

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On 2/24/2020 at 7:28 AM, blazes said:

 

Erm, the fact that the Nazis called themselves the National Socialist Party (or Bocialist if you follow Monty Python) did not make them socialists!! Ask Stalin!

 

However, Hitler was certainly "radical"....

Erm, the fact that Hitler called him self a Socialist, said he would die for Socialism and made his country Socialist did make him Socialist. Ask Hitler!

 

However, Hitler was certainly not "Far Right"....

 

 

 

 

"Socialism," said Hitler "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.

"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.

"We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one."

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8 minutes ago, toast1 said:

Erm, the fact that Hitler called him self a Socialist, said he would die for Socialism and made his country Socialist did make him Socialist. Ask Hitler!

No, calling yourself something doesn’t make you that. 

 

8 minutes ago, toast1 said:

 

However, Hitler was certainly not "Far Right"....

You really should think twice before posting nonsense. 

 

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