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3 hours ago, spiekerjozef said:

“Once the battery is installed, it must be safe to use and can be recharged repeatedly. Also, the battery must withstand any impact from an accident and should not cause a short circuit during use,” Wanchai said. "

 

Samsung cars

 

 

Well, as long as you do not take your car on a plane .. you be fine 😉 ..... When a EV turn into a big BBQ its always great news. Plenty of YouTube clips to see ....  When an ICE goes up in flames .. its just not the same news ....

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3 hours ago, bluesofa said:

Thanks for that, very interesting.

I've searched for different types of charging connectors. These are the ones I've found so far:

 

There is CCS - Combined Charging System, used in the EU since 2014.

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System

 

Another one is Chademo, which was proposed in 2010 as a global industry standard.

Incredibly, the name comes from a Japanese pun:

"CHAdeMO is an abbreviation of "CHArge de MOve", equivalent to "move using charge" or "move by charge" or "charge 'n' go", a reference to the fact that it's a fast charger. The name is derived from the Japanese phrase O cha demo ikaga desuka, translating to English as "How about a cup of tea?", referring to the time it would take to charge a car."

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHAdeMO#cite_note-general_pr-5

 

They should have called the standard fast charging  : Kit-Kat   (In UK they had a slogan .. Have a break ... Have a Kit-Kat)

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16 hours ago, HuskerDo said:

Now we just need "standards" for Thai drivers.

What do you think about a Thai driver in an electric car from zero to hundred in 4.5 seconds....wow.

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17 hours ago, bluesofa said:

I'm a bit confused about this.

To start with Wanchai says there are already EU specifications covering battery safety. Are the TSI are going to issue their own standards?

Will the TSI mirror the EU standards, or will there be new standards not yet implemented?

 

Do the EU (and UN) have common standards already for, say, connectors, cable size, power requirements, etc., to charge vehicles, so there would be no need to change these if you change your vehicle?

A bit like the standards for mobile phone chargers - even though in the past year or so the connector has been superseded, so there's now not one common standard.

The WHO recommends a maximum level of PM2.5 particulates in the air of 25 micrograms/m3.  The Thai government recommended safety level is 50. That should tell us something.

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Unless these new EVs can prevent microsleeps I can't seeing them having much effect in Thailand.

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7 hours ago, Wiggy said:

Unless these new EVs can prevent microsleeps I can't seeing them having much effect in Thailand.

You mean something like this? It’s been out for years and it has saved a lot of accidents. You can see it take control and avoid collisions. 

 

 

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9 hours ago, madhav said:

You mean something like this? It’s been out for years and it has saved a lot of accidents. You can see it take control and avoid collisions. 

 

 

Technology is all well and good but it has to be 'understood' by the driver .. I mean 'all well and good' if the driver still has a mental understanding that 'I am ultimately responsible' ...

 

If not, accidents will still happen .. driver will go faster .... be on the phone, go to sleep  etc... and when it does go bang .. it will not be 'brake failure' .. it will be .. 'oh the avoidance system did not work'.

 

Real perception of danger is a very good 'safety feature'  to keep you alive ... Very simple 'safety system' ... (Not that it would ever be acceptable 🙂 ...) 

 

Make seat belts illegal - All cars to be fitted with a 1' spike on the steering wheel  😉  ... Pointing straight at your heart.  Now go and drive ... Sure some will get spiked no matter what .. but I bet you that the driver would be very very careful ... 🙂.  Simple and effective ... 

 

You also have driver safety system that scan your face for eye movements and send a audible alarm if non are detected for a short period ... Maybe a more acceptable system 🙂 .

 

 

 

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19 hours ago, Peterphuket said:

What do you think about a Thai driver in an electric car from zero to hundred in 4.5 seconds....wow.

I see lots of spare part 🙂 ...

 

'Lots of accidents' in countries that has the Tesla for just that reason ...

 

Its great for people who does EV conversions as the battery pack can be salvaged and broken up and its cells sold on the 'second hand market' ... Remember the Tesla battery is made up from 1000+ .. laptop batteries (18650 cells) - The chemistry is slightly different as it have a high energy density .. Basically it is considered the 'best' 18650 cell on the market today ...

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5 hours ago, rvaviator said:

I see lots of spare part 🙂 ...

 

'Lots of accidents' in countries that has the Tesla for just that reason ...

 

Its great for people who does EV conversions as the battery pack can be salvaged and broken up and its cells sold on the 'second hand market' ... Remember the Tesla battery is made up from 1000+ .. laptop batteries (18650 cells) - The chemistry is slightly different as it have a high energy density .. Basically it is considered the 'best' 18650 cell on the market today ...

Yes I know about that, but especially with Thai drivers it will be a big problem.

About the 18650, yes I know Tesla use this in his batterypack, but I've got information with the new model they have there own different batterypack.

18650 (18x65mm) cells I use them in everytning in my house, cheap available at Ali.

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Do not confuse the 'generic' 18650 cell which are easily available on Ali with the same Panasonic cell that Tesla are using - The Panasonic cell (LiNiCoAL02) has been used in 3 flavors - from early 2009 to 2019.  They have been reducing the Cobolt content  and mixing in silicon to get the highest energy cell on the market. 

 

It is very easy to get ripped of with fake cells when buying on Ali. Hence popularity with selling  them from 'written off' vehicles ...  

 

Yes you are right that they are looking at a new cell for Model 3 - It still is a Panasonic chemistry - but they are going in a slightly larger form factor 21700.  I think they have been able to get to a cell capacity of 4800mAh.

 

However in China - apparently Tesla have signed a deal with CATL and will use a prismatic cell in the cars made in the Chinese factory - A big departure from the cylindrical form factor (lower cost as the chemistry is no longer based on Cobolt but on Iron Phosphate - Somewhat lower energy density but less volatile chemistry)

 

Maybe the Tesla model sold in Thailand will have a 'Thai' drive configuration ....  0 - 100 in 15 sec .. 😉

 

 

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