Weinstein found guilty of sexual assault, rape, in turning point for #MeToo movement

[sanemax]

13 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

so bar girls who think your a fat ugly barsteward and dont want to sleep with you but want the money so have to are being raped?

No, agreeing to accept money for sex, is giving consent 

[FritsSikkink]

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Another travesty of justice in the land of the free.

Are you for real? Beginning to understand why you have issues with women.

[BritManToo]

3 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Are you for real? Beginning to understand why you have issues with women.

And you're gone.

[FritsSikkink]

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

And you're gone.

You explain why you support a rapist.

[Cereal]

I'm betting the casting couch is still alive and well in Hollywood, just a lot more discrete. 

[Chivas]

Reckon he'll end up with a 8 stretch on his convicted cases to date. Course with more to come he'll die inside for sure

Should have stuck with Soi 6..................

[Chomper Higgot]

57 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

Blokes will have to get consent forms off women now to prevent them regretting it afterwards and crying to the cops, after they cashed the cheque of course

Well this conviction is certainly a message to rapists and sexual abusers.

[Emdog]

This trial was at a New York court, not federal court, right?

Correct me if I am wrong on this, but fairly sure president can only pardon federal crimes. This was a state crime & Trump cannot pardon.

[Chomper Higgot]

43 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I once attended a lecture (1974) given by a lawyer about avoiding the risk of false rape accusations in the UK.

His conclusion was to be entirely safe, you would need a signed consent form witnessed by two impartial people who could attest not only to her willing consent but her mental state and sobriety at the time.

I don’t think being accused of rape was bothering many men in 1974, though I suspect many were getting concerned about women demanding justice and dominion over their own bodies.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, Emdog said:

This trial was at a New York court, not federal court, right?

Correct me if I am wrong on this, but fairly sure president can only pardon federal crimes. This was a state crime & Trump cannot pardon.

Correct, and the convicted rapist will serve his sentence at Rikers Island.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

53 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I think there's a 10-20 year waiting period before they can claim rape.

The evidence suggests 10-20 years for victims of rape to obtain justice.

[cyril sneer]

can't say i'm a fan of this #MeToo movement

 

not sure about the US but in UK men get jailed for rape because the women had a few drinks and regretted it the next day

 

wolf whistling is also now classed as sexual assault 

[IAMHERE]

4 hours ago, stevenl said:

Seems the law disagrees with you.

Sort of; mostly it means 12 dumb sh*ts can be conned by mass media and a forceful prosecution backed up by Billions of US dollars. It'll be over turned on appeal.

[Sujo]

13 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

Sort of; mostly it means 12 dumb sh*ts can be conned by mass media and a forceful prosecution backed up by Billions of US dollars. It'll be over turned on appeal.

Why shouldnt a prosecutiin be forceful.

 

Why evidence did the jury consider important to give a guilty verdict do you disagree with.

 

I cannot find where this trial costs billions of dollars.

[Krataiboy]

forced himself on her orally, yanking out her tampon.

 

So now we know - vampires are real.

[sanemax]

33 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

can't say i'm a fan of this #MeToo movement

 

not sure about the US but in UK men get jailed for rape because the women had a few drinks and regretted it the next day

 

 

No, its when they have drank so much they are unable to give consent , then it becomes rape 

[Berkshire]

Just a thought.  So what message is this verdict sending?

 

1.  That people in power cannot abuse power to obtain sex.

Ok, I agree.

 

OR

 

2.  Women can change their mind about "consent." 

Hmmm, that may be a problem.

 

I don't think #2 is what happened here.  But I hope some women don't view it that way.   

[Berkshire]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

1 hour ago, ivor bigun said:

so bar girls who think your a fat ugly barsteward and dont want to sleep with you but want the money so have to are being raped?

No, agreeing to accept money for sex, is giving consent 

Is agreeing to accept a movie role for sex giving consent?  Just saying...

[BritManToo]

15 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Why shouldnt a prosecutiin be forceful.

In which case.

Why shouldn't you be forceful in getting consent?

 

Most negotiations for anything are forceful, buying a house/car/insurance/corporate takeover/buyin foreign oil all involve a modicum of coercion. Why is it access to a 'woman' should have to follow a different set of rules? It's just business.

 

If coercion or force are wrong in any situation, surely they should be wrong in all situations.

Edited February 25, 2020 by BritManToo

[sanemax]

4 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Is agreeing to accept a movie role for sex giving consent?  Just saying...

That isnt what happened though

[Dap]

9 hours ago, davehowden said:

He sure didn't do himself any favors by looking like a bag of sh..t at every court appearance !!

Looked to me exactly like the sleaze he was portrayed as being.

[Berkshire]

Just now, sanemax said:

6 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Is agreeing to accept a movie role for sex giving consent?  Just saying...

That isnt what happened though

I agree.  I believe he was found guilty of actual rape.  But it seems "the movement" is suggesting that the other cases of quid pro quo sex for a movie role was also considered criminal.  Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but that's what Weinstein was mostly engaged in (in addition to the rape(s)).  It's sleazy and evil as heck, but perhaps not criminal. 

[FritsSikkink]

8 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Why shouldn't you be forceful in getting consent?

 

Because decent people don't do that. It has something to do with respect for your fellow humans.

Hope it sinks in but I doubt it.

[tifino]

just come out on the News, the perp is continuing his Act...

not just the Pusher, but had himself just now rushed to hospital

 

He really doesn't 'have' to Act anymore... he's already got the starring role 

 

[malibukid]

9 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

No way he is the only producer type person doing this type of thing, probably see more cases now

are you listening Prince Andrew?

[cyril sneer]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

No, its when they have drank so much they are unable to give consent , then it becomes rape 

that's not what they will admit in court 

[JustAnotherHun]

So according to some "hang him higher" fanatics here it is quite common for victims of a rape that they meet their rapist later to have sex with him. Or send love messages to their rapist. Or ask their rapist for jobs/help/free flights.

A bit strange, isn't it?

Benefit of the doubt? Ahh, for what! Jail him!

 

[Scot123]

If you can not see this is the final nail in being a male. The precidence this has set is so scary yet men scream their vertue and kill kill kill without opening their eyes. A woman can now twist this against anyone they choose. I am so pleased I'm not a young man of today where you can't even go out on the town have a great night and wake up with a girl next to you. The fear she can cry rape when ever she chooses and now this. Have a works night out and have sex with someone who may be lower than you in the company and now can cry rape even though she instigated it all..... Sleep well men because a woman scorned has even more ammo to screw your life with. 

[Scot123]

1 hour ago, JustAnotherHun said:

So according to some "hang him higher" fanatics here it is quite common for victims of a rape that they meet their rapist later to have sex with him. Or send love messages to their rapist. Or ask their rapist for jobs/help/free flights.

A bit strange, isn't it?

Benefit of the doubt? Ahh, for what! Jail him!

 

I do not often agree with what you say but you hit the nail on the head. Men sleep well. 

[ivor bigun]

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I think there's a 10-20 year waiting period before they can claim rape.

or if the cheque bounces.