Thailand has three new coronavirus cases, for total of 40 -ministry official

[mtls2005]

10 minutes ago, Forza2002 said:

Wuhan is not hot like Thailand. Thais are being are led to believe that the virus is not flourishing in Thailand due to the heat. 

 

Ok, So it's heat and smog? Do I have that right?

 

Can you share with us how that works?

 

 

[sammieuk1]

Here's where I'm at right now in the UK having traveled back last week after self quarantine consequently missing my father's death and now unable to collect his body or sign paperwork at the hospital after public health UK called me to 100% stay away what an epic mess this corona is turning out to be god I hate bat eaters right now????

[TopDeadSenter]

4 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Ok, So it's heat and smog? Do I have that right?

 

Can you share with us how that works?

 

 

A difference between TH and Singers, is the latter has much higher population density and stay in aircon spaces more. Thais travel like 4 to a scooter out in the fresh air, the Singaporeans would probably get 100 lashes for doing that so they all travel in aircon mass public transport. That is a credible reason why the spread has been so different. Well, that or somebody is telling porky pies.

[soalbundy]

40? you'll have to do better than that if you want to be number 1 Thailand.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

fyi, there has been a BIG jump in the number of govt reported "patients under investigation" as inpatient hospital patients this week....

 

On the 24th, the govt reported that number as 420. In their daily report through the end of yesterday the 25th, that reported number had grown to 551, up 131 people in just one day.

 

They don't have an EN version of their daily report for the 25th yet, so here's an excerpt of the TH version below:

 

 

The highlight section shows the 551 patients hospitalized stat as of the 25th.

--243 in private hospitals, 308 in government hospitals.  Again, compared to just 420 the day before.

 

As of  yesterday, prior to today's increase, 37 confirmed cases, 24 already released, 13 still in hospital, including two serious/critical.

 

[Parsve]

And exactly how did they find out that he catch the virus in Japan? Did they ask the virus itself or? Do they not understand the risk they put the people in by trying to just put the problem in other countries

[Megasin1]

it's still my opinion that this is much worse than the thai authorities are reporting...they are playing the 3% game where they are willing to trade off 3% of their population against 20 to 50% of their economy because let's face it if you are 20%"dependant on tourism really it's a lot more than that...its service industry, food industry, transport, building, hotel, virtually everything...its a dangerous game because they could end up banned by many countries, but someone has done the maths and decided it's worth the risk.

[DrTuner]

Only two reference labs in Thailand: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-appointed-2019-ncov-referral-laboratories-7-february-2020.pdf?sfvrsn=c3fa3ec3_4

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6 Thailand Nonthaburi National Institute of Health, Department of Medical Sciences, Ministry of Public Health
7 Thailand Bangkok Armed Forces Research Institute of Medical Science

Both under government control and they are also the closest reference labs to f.ex. Cambodia, that doesn't have a reference lab, and would be shipping it's samples using this form: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/booking-form-2019-ncov-world-courier.pdf?sfvrsn=bec315e3_2

 

Cambodia currently has one confirmed case. Anybody's guess how long the backlog in those two Thai government labs is.

[brommers]

Idiots like this man must not be allowed to get away with this kind of dangerous behaviour. He needs to be sanctioned in a manner that is serious, not a slap on the wrist, and which lasts for the rest of his life and beyond. He could easily have started the kind of outbreak that a similarly idiotic Korean woman created in Daegu where hundreds are now infected because she refused to be tested.

 

 

[AussieBob18]

12 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

Here's where I'm at right now in the UK having traveled back last week after self quarantine consequently missing my father's death and now unable to collect his body or sign paperwork at the hospital after public health UK called me to 100% stay away what an epic mess this corona is turning out to be god I hate bat eaters right now????

It is really not the bat eaters as far as I understand.  Bats naturally have many coronaviral infections, but they dont transmit to humans. It has to go though another animal - cat, dog, etc.  The problem is that another animal - say a dog - gets the virus from the bat - and that virus mutates in the dog and is then capable of being transmitted to humans.  

[DrTuner]

I also noticed there's a wikipedia page up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_Thailand

 

Last update to this image 15. Feb:

Edited February 26, 2020 by DrTuner

[ParkerN]

4 minutes ago, Megasin1 said:

it's still my opinion that this is much worse than the thai authorities are reporting...they are playing the 3% game where they are willing to trade off 3% of their population against 20 to 50% of their economy because let's face it if you are 20%"dependant on tourism really it's a lot more than that...its service industry, food industry, transport, building, hotel, virtually everything...its a dangerous game because they could end up banned by many countries, but someone has done the maths and decided it's worth the risk.

I'm not sure that they did the math at all, that would be tantamount to admitting that Thailand is not under the patronage of a God; which would be the equivalent of saying that Isreal (for example, or the USA aren't - not going to happen and nobody who carries any weight would be allowed to 'do the math for fear of what the math would say..

[ThomasThBKK]

13 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

A difference between TH and Singers, is the latter has much higher population density and stay in aircon spaces more. Thais travel like 4 to a scooter out in the fresh air, the Singaporeans would probably get 100 lashes for doing that so they all travel in aircon mass public transport. That is a credible reason why the spread has been so different. Well, that or somebody is telling porky pies.

Singapore has a budget of over 3,xx billion USD for this, with a small population. 3-4x the size of the US budget.... That's why they find new cases and will likely be able to contain it, here it don't see it happening like that, it will spread everywhere imo. 

 

The only reason we don't have more cases here is because we didn't run tests imo.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

18 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

No. Diagnosis is done by RT-PCR in a level 2 biolab. https://www.who.int/publications-detail/disease-commodity-package---novel-coronavirus-(ncov)

 

There are two WHO reference labs in Thailand and I was surprised to find Chula is not one of them, despite having the capability:

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-appointed-2019-ncov-referral-laboratories-7-february-2020.pdf?sfvrsn=c3fa3ec3_4

 

Both labs are under government control.

 

The Thai Dept of Disease Control has recently posted an EN version of their diagnosis criteria and treatment/handling guidelines for CV... It's worth a read:

 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/guidelines.php

 

[DannyCarlton]

45 minutes ago, NCC1701A said:

what about you TV people?

 

there will be a time in the near future when mandatory isolation will be enforced in Thailand. 

are you going to go to the hospital with flu symptoms to be tested positive and possibly be put into isolation ward?

perhaps for two weeks and then be handed a huge hospital bill. 

or are you going to tough it out at home and hope it does not crash your lungs?

 

The latter 100%. If you are misdiagnosed and hospitalised you will be amongst patients that do have it. If you didn't have it when admitted to hospital, you certainly will before you leave....if you leave.

[webfact]

Three Thais from a family new Covid-19 victims

By The Nation

 

File Photo

 

Three Thais have tested positive for Covid-19, taking the country’s total to 40, Public Health Ministry permanent secretary Sukhum Karnchanapimai said on Tuesday (February 25).

 

The first case is a 65-year-old Thai man who recently returned from Japan. He was hospitalised at the Chest Institute of Thailand. He had high fever and cough, and was found to have pneumonia. He is reportedly in a critical condition.

 

His wife and eight-year-old grandson also have Covid-19. His wife has fever and cough, while his grandson has tested positive even though he did not travel. Both have a mild condition and are in quarantine in negative pressure rooms separately.

 

Fifty classmates of the grandson are now in quarantine for 14 days and must not leave their houses.

 

Meanwhile, two more patients have been discharged after full recovery -- a 35-year-old Thai woman and a 52-year-old Chinese man.

 

Of the 40 confirmed cases in Thailand, 24 have fully recovered and returned home while 16 are hospitalised.

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30382879

 

-- © Copyright The Nation Thailand 2020-02-26

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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

12 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

6 Thailand Nonthaburi National Institute of Health, Department of Medical Sciences, Ministry of Public Health
7 Thailand Bangkok Armed Forces Research Institute of Medical Science

 

Different info from the Thai DDC on what labs they're using as the final confirming entities:

 

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Specimens will be shipped for laboratory analysis at the following laboratory facilities: Coronavirus 2019 PCR will be performed by Thai Red Cross Emerging Infectious Disease Health Science Center (TRC-EID) Laboratory and National Institute of Health (Thai NIH) Laboratory, Department of Medical Sciences (DMSc).

 

The first one is associated with Chula in BKK. The second one is part of MoPH, but not sure on the exact location.

 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/file/guidelines/guidelines-sur_en.pdf

 

[wensiensheng]

1 hour ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

If they are holding back the truth about the actual numbers here, WHY ??

It’s not as if it reflects on the Thai people, after all it started in China !!

 

Or is it some “ Thai people are strong “ or “ we have taken measures to control it “ type of BS ??

I just don’t get it .

 

Visited my local mall just now, maybe 2% of people wearing masks and the gel that was provided at all the entrances now gone .

 

Thai people , everyone actually, deserve to know that the danger is still out there, it is not “ under control “ !!

As a simple guess, originally the decision was to not be at the top of the table of countries with infected cases because tourists would not come if that were the case.

 

thats been somewhat superseded both because the number of cases was too low to be believed and so people werent travelling much anyway, plus now there are many countries with many cases.

 

a gradual rise in Thai infected cases can be expected followed by a “reclassification” to bring numbers up to a more realistic level.

 

meanwhile, Thailand has literally no controls in place to stop the spread of the virus.

 

just this morning my daughters school advised two more countries added to the self quarantine list, Vietnam and Malaysia. I didn’t go to either last week, but I passed through phuket and don Muang airports where I bet plenty of people were going/returning from them. Did they stand in the security queue next to me ????????‍♂️

[smedly]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

and the 50 kids on his class room have "potentially" infected how many people .... we should prepare for a roller coaster ride

not to mention the airport and the plane he was on with other passengers who also arrived in Thailand and the transport he used from the airport - doesn't take long for the infection tree to multiply into hundreds

 

Who visited the bank and had contact with the son - who have they been in contact with - another infection tree

[hsovereign]

This man should be named and shamed for what he has done. Why would anyone lie about that.

[DrTuner]

8 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Different info from the Thai DDC on what labs they're using as the final confirming entities:

 

 

The first one is associated with Chula in BKK. The second one is part of MoPH, but not sure on the exact location.

 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/file/guidelines/guidelines-sur_en.pdf

 

They may use Chula for diagnosis, but for official confirmation to WHO I'd venture to guess it'll have to be the army lab in Bangkok or NIH in Nonthaburi. This way you can diagnose, but not add to the official confirmed tally. DDC's website is giving timeouts today, but I'm familiar with those docs.

 

NIH lab (the one under MoPH) is in Nonthaburi.

[FarFlungFalang]

34 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Both labs are under government control.

As is the Thai media and any media releases will be carefully worded to fit the Thai administration's narrative so expect any media releases to vindicate themselves and to blame anyone or anything or country.Did he deny anything?He reported to healthcare officials as to what he said we have no idea so I suspect he will disappear into quarantine only to succumb to the disease and never be able to defend himself.  

[wensiensheng]

34 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

A difference between TH and Singers, is the latter has much higher population density and stay in aircon spaces more. Thais travel like 4 to a scooter out in the fresh air, the Singaporeans would probably get 100 lashes for doing that so they all travel in aircon mass public transport. That is a credible reason why the spread has been so different. Well, that or somebody is telling porky pies.

You might want to read up on the Singapore cases, full details of which are posted in the Straits Times. One cluster came from a Chinese person who visited a TCM shop and the staff of the shop caught it from them. No pun lick transport involved at all in the transmission.

[stephenterry]

Time to stock up methinks.  A two weeks supply of perishable fruits and veggies. Non dairy milk. Canned beans, chickpeas, tomatoes, whole grain rice and lentils. Assorted frozen foods and various juices. Let the other half buy masks and toiletries and dog/cat biscuits. 

 

If it first hits Chiang Mai in large numbers, expect quarantine very quickly.

[brewsterbudgen]

At least Thailand hasn't (yet) gone into crazy panic mode!  The UK seem to be doing just that (if The Sun can be believed!).

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11036979/coronavirus-school-lockdown-students-italy/

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

16 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

They may use Chula for diagnosis, but for official confirmation to WHO I'd venture to guess it'll have to be the army lab in Bangkok or NIH in Nonthaburi. This way you can diagnose, but not add to the official confirmed tally. DDC's website is giving timeouts today, but I'm familiar with those docs.

 

I'm not aware of any indication of that. We've covered this issue several times before. AFAIK, the two labs I mentioned above in the quote from the DDC document ARE the ones they're using as the final arbiter of declaring a case "confirmed."

 

Those are the two labs they've said they're using, in several different documents at several different points in time. I have no reason not to believe them on that subject.

 

Edited February 26, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Susco]

2 hours ago, gargamon said:

I wonder what "high risk" country the patient visited? Thailand?

You could have started bt reading the post, as it is clearly written in the post, but your eagerness to do some Thai bashing was probably uncontrollable.

[DrTuner]

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I'm not aware of any indication of that. We've covered this issue several times before. AFAIK, the two labs I mentioned above in the quote from the DDC document ARE the ones they're using as the final arbiter of declaring a case "confirmed."

I'm not so convinced. The language in https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/file/guidelines/G_CPG_en.pdf and https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/file/guidelines/guidelines-sur_en.pdf uses "reference laboratory",  but the word "reference" is missing here:

 

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Specimens will be shipped for laboratory analysis at the following laboratory facilities: Coronavirus 2019 PCR will be performed by Thai Red Cross Emerging Infectious Disease Health Science Center (TRC-EID) Laboratory and National Institute of Health (Thai NIH) Laboratory, Department of Medical Sciences (DMSc).

 

The only place I can find "reference" is in the WHO list.

 

There's also an interesting bit of info there..

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2. Probable case is defined as a PUI who has tested positive for genetic materials of 2019-nCoV by PCR from one reference laboratory.

3. Confirmed case is defined as a PUI who has tested positive for genetic materials of 2019-nCoV by PCR from two reference laboratories, or by viral genetic sequencing technique or culture

 

I can't find any numbers on the "Probable cases", ie. those that have tested positive in only one reference lab.

 

There are so many catches in the process it's easy to keep cases in limbo indefinitely. And there's zero transparency into that now after they stopped publishing the backlog figures.

Edited February 26, 2020 by DrTuner

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

10 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

At least Thailand hasn't (yet) gone into crazy panic mode!  The UK seem to be doing just that (if The Sun can be believed!).

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11036979/coronavirus-school-lockdown-students-italy/

 

Thailand has just started doing something similar with its schools...not closing whole campuses yet, but asking any foreign travel returnees from impacted areas to do two-week self-quarantines at home.

 

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On 24 February 2020, the Ministry of Education issued a letter circulated to government agencies and schools nationwide. If teachers or education personnel travel from at-risk countries/regions including the People's Republic of China, Japan, Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China, the Republic of Korea (South Korea), Taiwan, Singapore were requested to stop working, and take a leave of absence to selfquarantine and practice social distancing for 14 days according to the protective measures against COVID-19.

 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/file/situation/situation-no52-240263.pdf

 

At this point, hopefully, they'll be adding a few more countries to that list, including Italy, et. al....

 

[MikeyScars]

I ordered it, but its out of stock!