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We were referred to an electrician from our builder. When meeting him we asked how many yrs he had been doing the job. He said 20. 

 

We drew a plan (on the 4th floor) outlining all the powerpoints, switches and lights etc. Price was agreed. We made him sign a short 'agreement' (contract) including how much he would be paid at each stage of the work. I didnt think to include the very final step of filling the gaps with silicon at the end of the job. 

 

As it turned out he didnt do any of the work and my wife said he must be a 'manager'. He sub contracted the job to a couple of younger guys. One did some very shoddy work in an area and I asked them to fix it. I said I wanted the job done by Sunday and despite time being tight he refused to help them. 

 

At teh end of the job he basically said its the painters job to slicone the gaps. he said 'they will do a better job than us'. It made me a bit angry to be honest.

 

We paid him and later mentioned we will not be using him for any other work in our building. Back home the sparkie will fill the gaps 100% the norm. Do you agree its the same over here? I was surprised by this guys attitude or am I being too fussy?

 

Finally.... if I use acrylic silicon on the gaps... can I go and put latex (water based) paints on the plastic mounts that cover the wires? The concrete walls have had the 1st coat of sealer and primer paint. Ready for 2 coats of dulux. Can dulux be painted on the plastic mounts that you see in the photos? thanks

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29 minutes ago, advancebooking said:

At teh end of the job he basically said its the painters job to slicone the gaps. he said 'they will do a better job than us'. It made me a bit angry to be honest.

 

We paid him and later mentioned we will not be using him for any other work in our building. Back home the sparkie will fill the gaps 100% the norm. Do you agree its the same over here? I was surprised by this guys attitude or am I being too fussy?

Both points of view are common but while a sparkie may block up large holes it’s not his job to get the areas paint ready, his job is to provide a good electrical install. 
 

A painter will/should know the perfect prepped surface.
 

There is an interesting video from the 10 minute workshop where Peter explains that he always thought he was preparing paint ready furniture (it was always sent out for painting) until 

One time he had to do the paint job himself, he found his “perfectly paint ready” job was a long long way from that.

29 minutes ago, advancebooking said:

Finally.... if I use acrylic silicon on the gaps

Acrylic filler is not silicone and silicone filler is not acrylic, virtually all acrylic fillers are designed to be painted, many silicone fillers don’t take paint well.

 

29 minutes ago, advancebooking said:

can I go and put latex (water based) paints on the plastic mounts that cover the wires?

Yes you can but it may flake off if the surface is too smooth and you don’t prime the plastic.

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Back in the USA electricians did NOT do finishing work.  One would think that after all the $ spent you'd get that but you don't.  They do one thing.

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On 2/27/2020 at 11:33 AM, sometimewoodworker said:

Both points of view are common but while a sparkie may block up large holes it’s not his job to get the areas paint ready, his job is to provide a good electrical install. 
 

A painter will/should know the perfect prepped surface.
 

There is an interesting video from the 10 minute workshop where Peter explains that he always thought he was preparing paint ready furniture (it was always sent out for painting) until 

One time he had to do the paint job himself, he found his “perfectly paint ready” job was a long long way from that.

Acrylic filler is not silicone and silicone filler is not acrylic, virtually all acrylic fillers are designed to be painted, many silicone fillers don’t take paint well.

 

Yes you can but it may flake off if the surface is too smooth and you don’t prime the plastic.

Bosny makes an acrylic sealant with silicone. I've used it quite a bit with good results, and it is paintable.

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You expect to much ! Using any Acryl , gives you a better acsess later , and painting is no Problem .

A Electrichian and Silicone ??? They use Tons of Tape !

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On 2/27/2020 at 5:14 AM, advancebooking said:

At teh end of the job he basically said its the painters job to slicone the gaps. he said 'they will do a better job than us'.

The electrician is right, but it's depending of the painter, i.e. if the painter is a painter, or just some unskilled worker that has been given brush and roller together with the command "paint".

 

Don't expect everything here to be like you home country, remember "same-same but different"...:whistling:

 

You can use acrylic paste instead of silicone. You might need a primer on the plastic before you paint with acrylic paint, but a good primer is always extremely recommendable, if you don't wish to repaint too soon. You might do a better job D.I.Y. than waiting for the painter to do the fillings.

 

A plastic glove and a bit of dish washing liquid (sulfo) on a fingertip, will make a nice surface, sulfo works well on silicone, but also on acrylic; plain water is also a possibility on acrylic paste.

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1 hour ago, bugattiklaus said:

You expect to much ! Using any Acryl , gives you a better acsess later , and painting is no Problem .

A Electrichian and Silicone ??? They use Tons of Tape !

Although wire nuts are readily available here I've never seen any wiring done that used them.

 

Twisting wires together and covering with black tape creates a high resistance union that dissipates power and heats up under heavy current. The heat causes oxidation of the joint, further increasing the resistance and heat dissipation,etc. Wire nuts were not invented to sell plastic. 

 

They also bury wiring underground or in a concrete slab, with or without conduit. If they use conduit they don't glue the joints so water leakage is inevitable. 

 

Earthing, if done at all, consisted of running ground wire that are never actually connected to a ground rod. If it is, it's a short piece of iron rebar buried in the concrete foundation. 

 

For most of the trade work done here there simply are no standards. 

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Built houses for close to 30 years in my past life in Oz, but not Thailand.


Our compadres comments about this ain’t your home country are solid😊🙏
Depends on sparky if they’ll fill gaps. This is pretty much world wide and agreed upon beforehand (but if people don’t know to stipulate and clarify before then it can end up ugly).

in the case of exterior wall

penetrations in Oz (not Thailand) where moisture and flowing water can enter they’ll usually fill, but not so much these days as the standards of skill effort n pride is fast leaving the trades in my country. Here the standards are way different and very loose.

filling is often left to painter ... especially where contractors know they’ll come along after.

But you gotta get all these minor details sorted beforehand!
Internally not unusual for leckies to fill as it’s usually agreed that painters filling is always far superior and uses gap fillers that will take primers and other paints perfectly, so left to them.

in the case of large multiple boring / drilling holes leckies e.g. mistakes and needing to refit/ patch plaster board or chase another cable channel in concert or block walks the site manager or owner has to step up n ask for those large mistakes to be filled by whoever makes em.

if I were you’d I get a decent safe ladder or small scaffold go buy Sika fillers n do the job myself.

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1 hour ago, RocketDog said:

Although wire nuts are readily available here I've never seen any wiring done that used them.

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4 hours ago, RocketDog said:

Although wire nuts are readily available here I've never seen any wiring done that used them.

My whole new-build (in 2010) house is made with them, actually a lot were used, as here are about 150 down-lights, etc...

 

I just asked for it in the job-description.

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14 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

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The only thing acceptable in any electrical installation IMO 🤷🏼‍♂️
 

 

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I am a UK fully qualified electrician

All I can say when I look at the pictures: oh dear oh dear oh dear.

but as stated, standards very different in Thailand.

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15 minutes ago, nickmondo said:

I am a UK fully qualified electrician

Regrettably now you need to say when you became qualified for that to have much significance.

 

Many/most Thai “electricians” would easily qualify under the current system, they would need to make a few changes to procedures but not many.

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