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Divorce, this is always an interesting topic.  I went to Bangkok southern district civil court on a property case and my wife was the defendant. 

She is now a USA citizen and lives there.  I still live in SE Asia, but not Thailan. She came back to testify and the short story is the judge dismissed the case on the grounds that we were married and still had rights and duties to each.  Considering that we have been apart for 8 years, one would think the court would not find that as an impediment. Also, the sitting judge, called me to the front before any testimony was taken and advised me to transfer this case to family court, and he would return all my filing fees which were significant.  In the heat of the moment, I just wanted this over and according to my attorney, we should win. They always say that even in the USA.  Well stupid me for not do what I mostly do, and ask a lot of question. I would love to connect with that judge and ask him some question. I would recognize him and he went to University in Washington DC.  Any ideas on how to find the judge in the southern district family court?????

 

Now I am looking for an attorney, who can speak English, or has a alternative for the communication issue. I recently talked to an American attorney who is the Senior Exec at a firm that uses Thai attorneys to litigate.  Thailand has two level pricing on most things.  If you are Thai you get the real price and if you are a tourist (all foreigners qualify) you get to pay a lot more. In legal firms if there is an English interface you get the tourist price.  The American I recently talked to wants me to send him $3000 for a retainer and then will bill me $170/hour.  He has not provided any statement of work or timing for milestone deliverables. Nice work if you can get it. A friend of mine recently went through a divorce in CA, Silicon Valley, and paid $250/hour. Anyone that can provide typical pricing for divorce in Thailand, please do. this will be very helpful in evaluating legal proposals.

 

What I am looking for is a Lawyer in BKK*, who is competent and charges Thai prices to all clients. If you have recommendations your help much appreciated. Please supply details Name, email and or phone, location, and any why you are recommending him. 

*I no longer live in BKK, so I will consider other options, but no two tier pricing and money grabbers. Just straight up competent attorneys that love to practice law. If it is a pain in the butt to access the lawyers location, I will consider if the reasons are compelling. 

 

Okay, take your shots, have fun, and if you can be helpful.  I stand to lose a lot.

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On 2/28/2020 at 3:40 PM, Gabriel1 said:

according to my attorney, we should win

they always say that... 

in many cases, your demand is (could be) dismissed by a judge, and there goes all the money you paid your lawyer, court fees, etc...

 

lawyers are sharks, they smell blood and you will bleed money

 

indeed, when they see a farang and have to speak some english (did they not have to learn that at UNI ?) , your bill will be DISGUSTING

 

the retainer fee you mentioned is super low ... I got quoted 300.000-500.000 retainer fee and their billing hours with many different prices for different people / work ...  but off course, you can check nothing, just cough up ...

 

you will think, how do thai people ever afford to get divorced ?

 

maybe the murder / suicide rate here has something to do with

 

poor thais don't have to fight over houses they paid for and ending up with nothing, so they can go to the local ampur and get divorced for 20 baht

 

in the worst case, you get screwed over by your own LAWYER

 

the horror stories of your own lawyer co-hooting with the enemy - thais love thai after all - is REAL !

 

don't if you try to get your ex-lawyer to court, you will get an extra defamation lawsuit on top

 

being screwed over by your (ex)wife first and then again by your own lawyer, the courts ...

 

 

 

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Hi Gabriel1,  I have an on-going case in Pattaya, albeit not for divorce.  When started, I was desperate to find an honest and fair English speaking lawyer and eventually, I took pot luck. I appointed a Bangkok lawyer and have been perfectly happy with my choice and would thoroughly recommend her.  Her name is PONGKARN KHUNPHASEE, nickname Aom.  She speaks fairly fluent English and recently returned for getting an additional law degree in the USA.  Aom has her own law company and can be contacted at pongkarn@bancheelegal.com.  Tel: +66(0)894599144 or +66(0)859254941  Address: 229/16 The Regent Orchid, Sukhumvit 101, Bangjark, Prakhanong, Bangkok 10260.  Website: https://bancheelegal.com/.   I you decide to contact Aom, feel free to mention my recommendation,  re- Daniel and Yupha.

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33 minutes ago, colinneil said:

What a crazy comment, i am married to a Thai lady, no better wife could any man want.

There for me 24/7, takes care of my every need, washes me, cleans me, always there ready to help me, night and day, every minute she is not at work, she is there helping me.

Yes and i was also married to a Thai before, worst wife any man could want, deceitful, scheming, dishonest, lying, knife wielding woman., still have the knife scar.

Glad you found a good women but why is his comment crazy when you admitted your first Thai wife sounds basically insane.  I am sure she did not show those signs prior or else you would not have married her.

Women can turn quickly especially here where family and friends are number one. And once they have the house, cars, and motorbikes and know they can own 1/2 of your assets.

So. I guess the odds are 50-50?  Not great in my opinion...

 

 

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8 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Good advice you are certainly an optimist.

90% of the divorces I know turn to hate and they other party does not even want to see your face let alone talk to you.

Hope it works out for the OP.

 

8 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Good advice you are certainly an optimist.

90% of the divorces I know turn to hate and they other party does not even want to see your face let alone talk to you.

Hope it works out for the OP.

Yup. Not a Thai, but my first😜 divorce we were both lawyered up ( and we were both lawyers ourselves but not for divorce stuff) and she had a manhating rottweiler. Virtually put me in chains pending the big day, froze all my assets put on a very modest daily allowance too. Thought I had big money offshore because I'd been spotted looking at at a 50 ft yacht at London boat show! I didn't but there it was. Long and short, in the end sat down with wife, mentioned the astronomical fees so far and did she really think I had millions detached? Did she really want the father of our two children being visited by them in a gritty bedsit? We talked it all through rationally band came up with a deal. Her lawyer was <deleted>, but had to accept it and so court approval. 

 

That ex wife is still a good friend. She got a good deal and knew it, whilst I got to keep a reasonable life style and rebuild. 

 

Of course many divorces are very, very messy and emotionally charged. Luckily mine was not so bad. Think may be I should have stayed with her! 

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22 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Glad you found a good women but why is his comment crazy when you admitted your first Thai wife sounds basically insane.  I am sure she did not show those signs prior or else you would not have married her.

Women can turn quickly especially here where family and friends are number one. And once they have the house, cars, and motorbikes and know they can own 1/2 of your assets.

So. I guess the odds are 50-50?  Not great in my opinion...

 

 

What are the odds in your home country?

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Russell17au

Thanks for your comments.  They make a lot of sense except the judgement regarding my arrogant attitude.  I have never been arrogant with her.  When ever I brought up this subject she just completely tunes me out. I have been divorced previously in the USA.  My ex and I went to mediation and settled the matter for $1000 in fees.  This happened years ago when the average price of divorce in CA was $25K in no kids involved. As a matter of fact those involved in the process of the divorce said they had never experienced such an amicable divorce.  In this case, the woman involved transferred every asset she could to here name. When we moved all household items were stored in her parents home and not accessible to me. The large items were left in the home and the day we left she changed the code on the alarm system and refused to give the new code to me. We went to the USA because she wanted her citizenship, in spite of knowing the financial issues we would have. This woman is a pariya.  Lawyers are the least of the problem for me.  I can handle them. I have studied both Thai property civil code and family law code.  The Thai legal system is not based on issues, arguments and point of authority like the USA system, so things for me to learn there and only by experience. I will continue to find new strategies to do exactly what you are promoting.  

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Scouse123

My lawyer had no say in the action I took related to the judges recommendations.  I made that decision and not I am considering whether it was a poor decision.  I will find the judge, only 4 in central family court and talk with him. Thanks for you interest.

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bkk6060

Thanks for your comments.  50-50 does not necessarily apply.  The home was bought pre marriage.  We bought 2 cars and she did not put my name on the title only hers. I instructed her to include me on those titles.  When we sold the cars she, the thai speaker, handled the transaction and the money went into her private account.  lawyer told me that the 50-50 rule can be broken.  She can make a negative claim about me and ask the judge to compensate her for my poor treatment.  The court could award the entire home to her and we are taking a lot of money.  Thai law for divorce included undisputed and fault. I found at fault on of the litigants can really get screwed.

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Kalasin Jo

No doubt you were very lucky.  I had a similar divorce and we broke though.  However, there must be some moral integrity on the part of both litigants.  The main property in dispute could allow for both of us to buy a seperate home.  However, she has here name on the title and she is not giving an inch. I have an Asian friend that will coach me on the female Asian mind and how to work with that aspect of the case.  We will see, so far I am impressed with the advice. Maybe I will just move to the USA and take up residence in the home there with my wife and daughter.  We will see how that works out. Also, the USA Attorney's office just opened an office focused on nullification of naturalization if fraud can be shown.  That is a really big stick.  Thanks for the comments.

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