Kuwait is EVACUATING its citizens from Thailand due to coronavirus

[Kinnock]

On 2/29/2020 at 12:25 PM, DannyCarlton said:

  http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/study-72000-covid-19-patients-finds-23-death-rate

 

"Researchers from China's Center for Disease Control and Prevention today describe the clinical findings on more than 72,000 COVID-19 cases reported in mainland China, which reveal a case-fatality rate (CFR) of 2.3% and suggest most cases are mild, but the disease hits the elderly the hardest."

 

2.3%

 

 

Wrong.

 

China does not have enough tests kits, so they are defining cases as anyone with the symptoms.  It's winter, there's a flu epidemic as well.

 

Why do so many people want to misinterpret the stats?  Is is Thanos syndrome, we all subconsciously want to see the human race decimated?

 

Look at Korea, which is a more developed country with fewer drama queens.  Then factor in the unreported cases, as many have mild or even no symptoms.

 

3,786 confirmed cases in Korea.  33.000 suspected cases.  20 deaths.

 

Not every person with the virus will be reported, you can't test everyone, some people don't even know they've got it.

 

So the fatality rate must be less than 0.5% ..... probably a lot less.

 

Which coincidentally is about the same as flu.

 

There's a lot of people in the world (too many!), so the numbers for any pandemic will look high to anyone who does not follow the stats for seasonal flu each year.

[DrTuner]

1 hour ago, Kinnock said:

Why do so many people want to misinterpret the stats? 

Stats from communists are misinterpreted by default. 

[dcnx]

On 2/28/2020 at 5:03 PM, RichardColeman said:

What do they know that we don't ? 

Wake up idiots. 
 

If you didn’t get out of Thailand yet, you might end up regretting it.

[DannyCarlton]

4 hours ago, Kinnock said:

Wrong.

 

China does not have enough tests kits, so they are defining cases as anyone with the symptoms.  It's winter, there's a flu epidemic as well.

 

Why do so many people want to misinterpret the stats?  Is is Thanos syndrome, we all subconsciously want to see the human race decimated?

 

Look at Korea, which is a more developed country with fewer drama queens.  Then factor in the unreported cases, as many have mild or even no symptoms.

 

3,786 confirmed cases in Korea.  33.000 suspected cases.  20 deaths.

 

Not every person with the virus will be reported, you can't test everyone, some people don't even know they've got it.

 

So the fatality rate must be less than 0.5% ..... probably a lot less.

 

Which coincidentally is about the same as flu.

 

There's a lot of people in the world (too many!), so the numbers for any pandemic will look high to anyone who does not follow the stats for seasonal flu each year.

Any evidence? Not a shred. The world according to Kinnock.....yet again.

[pookondee]

On 2/29/2020 at 10:00 PM, zydeco said:

You do realize that the US has tested less than 500 people, don't you?

Would that not be a positive for the US?

 

Would it make people feel better if they tested 10,000 and only 0.05% came up positive?

 

Logically, they will have only tested patients showing the advanced symptoms, who have presented themselves at a hospital. 

 

Not much point wasting the test kits 

on people who obviously haven't got it.

 

Anyway, Id think its preferable for people suspected of having a mild case to stay isolated at home, instead of going to hospital to get tested, potentially putting themselves and others at risk.

 

 

 

[pellets]

On 2/29/2020 at 10:19 AM, A Los for words said:

Just a zero

Or TWO...

[Kinnock]

10 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

Any evidence? Not a shred. The world according to Kinnock.....yet again.

I've now blocked you because your lack of reading ability is irritating, but try using a calculator on the latest figures from Korea.

[DannyCarlton]

44 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

I've now blocked you because your lack of reading ability is irritating, but try using a calculator on the latest figures from Korea.

The figures from Korea have changed radically again today. Do your over simplistic alculations again and you will get a different result. You can only get a realistic result for CFR if infections and deaths have both fallen to zero, ie when it's all over.

Edited March 2, 2020 by DannyCarlton

[Tayaout]

10 hours ago, pookondee said:

Would that not be a positive for the US?

 

Would it make people feel better if they tested 10,000 and only 0.05% came up positive?

 

Logically, they will have only tested patients showing the advanced symptoms, who have presented themselves at a hospital. 

 

Not much point wasting the test kits 

on people who obviously haven't got it.

 

Anyway, Id think its preferable for people suspected of having a mild case to stay isolated at home, instead of going to hospital to get tested, potentially putting themselves and others at risk.

 

 

 

Wrong they just don't have reliable test kit in large amount. The one that the CDC sent a couple weeks ago did not work. Some states started testing in their own labs this week because the test kit from the CDC are simply not coming. 

[pookondee]

6 hours ago, Tayaout said:

Wrong they just don't have reliable test kit in large amount. The one that the CDC sent a couple weeks ago did not work. Some states started testing in their own labs this week because the test kit from the CDC are simply not coming. 

Be that as it may, IMO the testing kits are not really of huge importance.

 

If you are that ill, i dont think there is much they can do, other than treat you for the pneumonia symptoms. 

 

 

If you've ever had the Asian

"90 day flu", or whooping cough, chances are you've had even worse than Corona.

And there is no real cure or treatment for that either.

 

 

Edited March 2, 2020 by pookondee

[christophe75]

22 hours ago, Kinnock said:

Why do so many people want to misinterpret the stats?  Is is Thanos syndrome, we all subconsciously want to see the human race decimated?

 

 

Indeed. I ask you the same question !

????

 

Your calculation is wrong.

 

For one simple reason : it make no sense to calculate a ratio number of cases / deads... when... the epidemic is still going on... when X cases TODAY will die... IN THE FUTURE.

 

Furthermore... and this is a fact.... when this virus can take up to 4 weeks to kill an infected !

 

So when you write that the CFR, based on korean figures, is "0.5% ..... probably a lot less.".... you are wrong.

 

And dishonest from an intellectual point of view.

 

[Mung]

1 hour ago, pookondee said:

Be that as it may, IMO the testing kits are not really of huge importance.

 

If you are that ill, i dont think there is much they can do, other than treat you for the pneumonia symptoms. 

 

 

If you've ever had the Asian

"90 day flu", or whooping cough, chances are you've had even worse than Corona.

And there is no real cure or treatment for that either.

 

 

As a result of COVID-19 you can have secondary respiratory infections, and they can be treated with antibiotics. If untreated such infections can be a make or break scenario for critically or seriously ill people. 

[Mung]

44 minutes ago, christophe75 said:

 

Indeed. I ask you the same question !

????

 

Your calculation is wrong.

 

For one simple reason : it make no sense to calculate a ratio number of cases / deads... when... the epidemic is still going on... when X cases TODAY will die... IN THE FUTURE.

 

Furthermore... and this is a fact.... when this virus can take up to 4 weeks to kill an infected !

 

So when you write that the CFR, based on korean figures, is "0.5% ..... probably a lot less.".... you are wrong.

 

And dishonest from an intellectual point of view.

 

The CFR is only realised properly when everything is said and done. There are too many factors involved so it's too difficult to say, especially since as you pointed out, the incubation period is long and deaths takes a long time to occur after infection has taken place. People who still claim this is no worse than the flu are very shortsighted and illogical, and maybe frightened subconsciously 

[grego49]

On 2/29/2020 at 8:03 AM, RichardColeman said:

What do they know that we don't ? 

That we are being lied too...

[ukrules]

On 3/1/2020 at 11:41 AM, KruZik said:

I think we'd better throw in hot and humid weather into the mix. I know Singapore has similar weather to here..so I don't know. I also think a lack of active testing is another factor.

Singapore hasn't seen an explosive growth of new cases either. The initial cases were largely linked to Chinese / international travel I believe.

 

The number of cases detected depends entirely on who you're testing.

 

If you only test people who have either traveled into a 'hot zone' or those who've been in direct contact with those who are already confirmed ill (due to being in a hot zone) then you will not detect a community outbreak at all.

[anto]

On 2/29/2020 at 6:39 AM, Traubert said:

Very true. 28000 people die every day in China. In nine weeks 2800 have died from Covid 19 related issues. Proportion is called for.

2800?  more like a million plus deaths.All the crematoriums working 24/7 in Wohan for 2 months now.Plus they added 46 more mobile ones .

[Cheesekraft]

CFR 10x flu is only taking into account the current situation: hospitals are almost full; but operational. Death rate will skyrocket once there are no beds, which is almost inevitable at this point. The 18% of people who require 2 weeks of hospital care will largely die without that care

[dcnx]

1 hour ago, Cheesekraft said:

CFR 10x flu is only taking into account the current situation: hospitals are almost full; but operational. Death rate will skyrocket once there are no beds, which is almost inevitable at this point. The 18% of people who require 2 weeks of hospital care will largely die without that care

Secondary deaths are also not being counted. If you need medical assistance due to another reason, you can’t get it when the hospitals are overwhelmed with the virus. 
 

 

[dcnx]

On 3/1/2020 at 7:34 AM, Kinnock said:

Wrong.

 

China does not have enough tests kits, so they are defining cases as anyone with the symptoms.  It's winter, there's a flu epidemic as well.

 

Why do so many people want to misinterpret the stats?  Is is Thanos syndrome, we all subconsciously want to see the human race decimated?

 

Look at Korea, which is a more developed country with fewer drama queens.  Then factor in the unreported cases, as many have mild or even no symptoms.

 

3,786 confirmed cases in Korea.  33.000 suspected cases.  20 deaths.

 

Not every person with the virus will be reported, you can't test everyone, some people don't even know they've got it.

 

So the fatality rate must be less than 0.5% ..... probably a lot less.

 

Which coincidentally is about the same as flu.

 

There's a lot of people in the world (too many!), so the numbers for any pandemic will look high to anyone who does not follow the stats for seasonal flu each year.

Korea’s medical facilities are not overwhelmed yet. What that happens you’ll see a spike in deaths.

[gk10002000]

On my last trip near nana in Bangkok, walking around to go get a bite to eat, the number of burkas, and veils and scarves and arabic like people was the vast majority,