Leading Thai doctor in dire warning: Deadly Italian strain of Covid-19 now set to wreak havoc in Thailand

[Logosone]

1 minute ago, englishoak said:

Mainstream literature is 2 - 3 months late in publishing... go read some white papers for yourself, im sure you know how to research, im not your tutor. 

 

That's a good thing, because you're completely wrong.

 

The Chinese research postulating two strains, one more violent than the other, has been debunked.

 

 "A paper published by Lu Jian of Peking University and colleagues on 3 March in the journal National Science Review analyzed 103 virus genomes and argued that they fell into one of two distinct types, named S and L, distinguished by two mutations. Because 70% of sequenced SARS-CoV-2 genomes belong to L, the newer type, the authors concluded that virus has evolved to become more aggressive and to spread faster.

But they lack evidence, Rambaut says. “What they’ve done is basically seen these two branches and said, ‘That one is bigger, [so that virus] must be more virulent or more transmissible,’” he says. However, just because a virus is exported and leads to a large outbreak elsewhere does not mean it is behaving differently: “One of these lineages is going to be bigger than the other just by chance.” Some researchers have called for the paper to be retracted. “The claims made in it are clearly unfounded and risk spreading dangerous misinformation at a crucial time in the outbreak,” four scientists at the University of Glasgow wrote in a response published on www.virological.org."

 

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/mutations-can-reveal-how-coronavirus-moves-they-re-easy-overinterpret

 

[DrTuner]

https://nextstrain.org/ncov

 

Press "Play" in the transmission graph.

Edited March 23, 2020 by DrTuner

[peixotorms]

2 hours ago, newatthis said:

or a Thai coming home from Italy.

 

no way... Thai would never do such thing.

[Mung]

It might be that the virus mutated in Italy or Iran to be more virulent, but everybody needs to remember (including the Thais) where this virus originated and why. If it were not for the incompetent Chinese government, trying to cover it up and play it down, this would never have happened in the first place. 

[Eric Loh]

10 minutes ago, topt said:

read where? link please.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-strange-pneumonia-seen-lombardy-112931229.html

[Logosone]

6 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

https://nextstrain.org/ncov

 

Press "Play" in the transmission graph.

Interesting.

[soalbundy]

3 hours ago, darksidedog said:

It's great in retrospect to be able to see the sense in shutting the stable door, while you still have a horse, though he is simply uttering what many of us have been saying for nearly two months now, that Thailand should have had a strict immigration procedure in place a long time ago. Keeping the arms open in welcome for so long to save tourism numbers, was bound to have consequences sooner or later.

I didn't see any scientific evidence above to back up his claim this is a different strain, so hope he has that at least partially wrong.

Both Spain and Italy have noticed that the DNA of corona had evolved from the Chinese strain but that it hadn't made it any more dangerous. It isn't uncommon for a virus to evolve especially when it crosses continents but this usually doesn't make it more virulent and in the case of the Italien strain it hasn't according to experts who have examined it.

[Curt1591]

The outrageous numbers in Italy may also have something to do with the tens of thousands of Chinese workers producing all those expensive "Made in Italy" designer goods, in Italian sweat shop. Estimates run between 50,000 to 100,000 workers.

 

Add to that the older population, and you will also have a higher death rate.

Now, more deadly, or not, the number of infected will soon explode in Thailand with all the unemployed heading all over the country. Unfortunately smaller provinces, cities and village may not take actions as Bangkok has.

Edited March 23, 2020 by Curt1591

[sahibji]

has the corona virus mutated to another strain, being referred to in this article as Italian strain?

[dave moir]

When is he going to be arrested for scare mongering!!!! 

[marquis22]

3 hours ago, aqua4 said:

You think?How about a bus load of super spreaders heading for the rural areas. If there was ever an argument against globalism then this virus must be it.

 

I can't see anyone coughing and sneezing and temperatures where taken before they boarded the buses.

[topt]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-strange-pneumonia-seen-lombardy-112931229.html

Thanks. Interesting also that published in the South China Post originally.........

[Zack61]

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

That's been pretty apparent for some time... But good luck in getting the government to admit to that failing.  He may be an infectious disease expert. But the government is expert at leaving the barn door half open months after the horses have all bolted.

 

 

And the front door which opened onto Xi Ping boulevard. 

[Chazar]

3 hours ago, newatthis said:

or a Thai coming home from Italy.

 

From the dirty foreign country

[zhounan]

Does this doctor take responsibility for these words? Especially about accusing in Italy in this paranoid story? Where is the proofs?
 

[mac1970]

Chinese government knows how to create confusion and lead direction of discussions towards wanted goals as Western world is very much trusting media, internet and false data without control/censorship likewise in China where all the information can be controlled. Russia is doing the same and they know how effective and easy it can be. We are actually feeding it by jumping one fact to the other even without thinking and just believing that everything is true out there. They have hundreds or even thousands people working on this field in Internet, they pay some people to make it look more reliable information like propably now in this case, the problem needs to come somewhere else. They use soft power to convince some Westerners to publish wrong info and most likely some threats as well, which have been seen coming out from Chinese embassies. Reason why we see high deaths in Italy has the background as already mentioned here, Iran has different reasons which are based on the culture and religion. In other countries reasons are potentially different like Thailand tourism and not serious attitude generally in public, same as seen among youngsters in Western world. So we have lot of things flying around and some of those are true and some false by purpose or ignorance. 

[RichardColeman]

they'll be firebombing pizza hut next

[Surasak]

We now have a Thai expert, or should that be eggspert, who can distinguish between the strains of Covid-19? Another very clever supposed doctor, like the one who told me my venous insufficiency would kill me if it got into the blood stream. What the hell did he think venous insufficiency was?

[peterkroll]

North Italy is where most Chinese live in Italy, Lombardy and Milano are centres of their business activities.

 

After Lunar New Year more than 100000 returned.

 

First the Italien authorities did not care, afterwards the infections seemingly exploded. The truth is probably not that there is anything really different with the Italien strain, but may be more that infected people could spread it for weeks.

 

Now the health system is completely overwhelmed. 

 

 

[Ricebarnandrooms]

3 hours ago, Chazar said:

 

confirmation the dirty Farang brought it here

 

It did not say it was a farang. It said a relative coming back from holiday and who has relatives in the boxing area. Not many farangs have relatives in Thai Boxing. Irresponsible to wrongly target farang and potentially cause unrest among the population 

[tandor]

3 hours ago, darksidedog said:

It's great in retrospect to be able to see the sense in shutting the stable door, while you still have a horse, though he is simply uttering what many of us have been saying for nearly two months now, that Thailand should have had a strict immigration procedure in place a long time ago. Keeping the arms open in welcome for so long to save tourism numbers, was bound to have consequences sooner or later.

I didn't see any scientific evidence above to back up his claim this is a different strain, so hope he has that at least partially wrong.

...he may be a Physician, but that doesn't make him a Virologist and what he says is in contradiction the W.H.Os top world Virologists..for what its worth.

[hotchilli]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

If closures had been ordered before the beginning of March, it could have been averted. Likewise if all people at the boxing - and there were 5,000 attendees - were quarantined it could have been contained. 

Or the contact returning from Italy had actually "self isolated" and I do mean ISOLATE not share the family home as if nothing was wrong!

Good luck Thailand as I would estimate 99% of those now going home will be sharing facilities, mealtimes etc etc with the kin back home.

Watch the numbers explode next week.

[natway09]

It looks like many of the Thai Visa readers are still in denial (because they are still healthy )

If they had shut the airports & not allowed this returnee to get in (as suggested)

ie: 6 weeks pain may save 6 years pain) this "supa spreader would not have brought this strain into the country.

Obviously this Dr knows his business & just maybe the Government has asked him to go public to exonerate them with his statements

[PaDavid]

3 hours ago, timendres said:

I was not aware of this.

 

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236544-coronavirus-are-there-two-strains-and-is-one-more-deadly/

I’ve read the article. Very informative. There are indeed two almost identical strains of Covid-19, the L and S type. But the article concludes there is nothing to suggest either strain is more deadly than the other

[puipuitom]

3 hours ago, newatthis said:

or a Thai coming home from Italy.

 

Impossible.... Never a Thai can do something wrong.

[A Los for words]

You're only supposed to blow the stable doors off!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_PX1cVuaVA

 

[Letseng]

What a load of bulldust. Problem in Italy is the social structure (2nd oldest population), too many non-symptomatic young ones live with older family members, social distancing wasn't taken too serious either. A month ago they still had a soccer match with 44thou spectators in Milan. What do ppl expect would happen. Everywhere they close the barn after the horse bolted. Same in Thailand.

With the public statement of this above medic Italians wont be too popular now. 

[Skallywag]

3 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Good luck Thailand as I would estimate 99% of those now going home will be sharing facilities, mealtimes etc etc with the kin back home.

So all these working guys and gals in Bangkok and Pattaya were infected like the Northern Italians from the Chinese? 

From the Muay Thai boxing tournament in Bangkok? 

 

Where were the working Thai getting infected for the last 1-5 weeks?   

 

There have been no large numbers of Chinese here in Thailand for over 5 weeks

[Logosone]

7 minutes ago, PaDavid said:

I’ve read the article. Very informative. There are indeed two almost identical strains of Covid-19, the L and S type. But the article concludes there is nothing to suggest either strain is more deadly than the other

No there are not. That research has now been debunked.

 

 "A paper published by Lu Jian of Peking University and colleagues on 3 March in the journal National Science Review analyzed 103 virus genomes and argued that they fell into one of two distinct types, named S and L, distinguished by two mutations. Because 70% of sequenced SARS-CoV-2 genomes belong to L, the newer type, the authors concluded that virus has evolved to become more aggressive and to spread faster.

But they lack evidence, Rambaut says. “What they’ve done is basically seen these two branches and said, ‘That one is bigger, [so that virus] must be more virulent or more transmissible,’” he says. However, just because a virus is exported and leads to a large outbreak elsewhere does not mean it is behaving differently: “One of these lineages is going to be bigger than the other just by chance.” Some researchers have called for the paper to be retracted. “The claims made in it are clearly unfounded and risk spreading dangerous misinformation at a crucial time in the outbreak,” four scientists at the University of Glasgow wrote in a response published on www.virological.org."

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/mutations-can-reveal-how-coronavirus-moves-they-re-easy-overinterpret

 

[A Los for words]

3 minutes ago, Logosone said:

No there are not. That research has now been debunked.

 

 "A paper published by Lu Jian of Peking University and colleagues on 3 March in the journal National Science Review analyzed 103 virus genomes and argued that they fell into one of two distinct types, named S and L, distinguished by two mutations. Because 70% of sequenced SARS-CoV-2 genomes belong to L, the newer type, the authors concluded that virus has evolved to become more aggressive and to spread faster.

But they lack evidence, Rambaut says. “What they’ve done is basically seen these two branches and said, ‘That one is bigger, [so that virus] must be more virulent or more transmissible,’” he says. However, just because a virus is exported and leads to a large outbreak elsewhere does not mean it is behaving differently: “One of these lineages is going to be bigger than the other just by chance.” Some researchers have called for the paper to be retracted. “The claims made in it are clearly unfounded and risk spreading dangerous misinformation at a crucial time in the outbreak,” four scientists at the University of Glasgow wrote in a response published on www.virological.org."

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/mutations-can-reveal-how-coronavirus-moves-they-re-easy-overinterpret

 

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