Trump considers reopening U.S. economy despite coronavirus spread

[Chiphigh]

20 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

half of the infected are under 64

Evidence please 

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Yep, I get it China good US bad, remind me to put those glasses on too.

Now that is not putting your objectivity glass on and allow favoritism to cloud your opinion. 

[Nyezhov]

6 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Now that is not putting your objectivity glass on and allow favoritism to cloud your opinion. 

Well that the difference: I think China is universlly bad until they do somehting good, you just think they are Utopia incarnate.

 

Im a joined in my opinion of China by the majority of the folks on this planet, Chinese propaganda on the internet notwithstanding.

 

Wash your hands.

[johnnybangkok]

2 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

So true.

They will still continue with the anti-Trump stories and distortions - which the 'coverted' all lap up and believe, and then put forward as 'facts' on forums like this.

I wonder if any of them on this forum realise that in 2009 under Obama the Swine Flu (H1N1) in USA infected 60.8 million people, put 274,000 under hospitalizations, and caused 12,469 deaths.  I wonder if any of them (not the millenials/antifa in Mum's basement) remeber back then, because if they do then they will realise (maybe) that there was no worldwide panic/closure/economic collapse - and no media outrage against Obama for not stopping it quicker etc etc etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_the_United_States

So far the Trump Admin is doing a much better job than Obama's ever did.

But, but Obama!!!!

The simple truth is Trump has had more than enough time to put measures in place to mitigate this pandemic. His own administration declared a public health emergency back in January but it took Trump until the 13th of March before he declared a national emergency. Even now there is mass confusion as matters that should be mandated at a national level are still left to individual states, creating lots of different scenarios where only 9 states have ordered residence to stay at home and only 31 states have finacial recompense in place. This is of course now growing but it's surely a case of locking the stable door after the horse has bolted.

Initially Trump brushed it all off with a it's 'just the flu' and basically called fears of the virus 'a hoax'. He has constantly undermined his own experts (and WHO advice) and has personally exposed others when he himself could have had the virus. He takes no personal responsibility for closing down the pandemic office or for the lack of testing available. He even lied about a new Google app. that said it would show all Covid-19 outbreaks.

His party is now trying to push a $2 trillion stimulas package wherein $500 billion is for 'discretionary spending' where they don't even have to say where the money is going. Fortunately the Dems are all over this and refusing to let it pass but in turn are being branded un-American for blocking what is obviously a slush fund for him and his cronies. 

His gross mishandling of this crisis will result in more deaths than is absolutley neccessary and this clown of a president just keeps adding fuel to an already blazing fire. He should resign for his serious mishandling of this, but with such a sychophantic following who feels he can do no wrong and defend him at every turn (especially on this forum), this is highly unlikely. 

The only hope now is the American people do not forget his incompetance come November and get rid of this stain on American democracy once and for all. 

[expat1010]

As part of the recovery program anyone found to have the virus but not showing symptoms should be given an all expenses paid 2 week holiday to China. 

[Opl]

"Kushner has counseled Trump that the crisis isn’t as bad as the media is portraying. Two sources said Vice President Mike Pence has complained to Trump about Kushner’s meddling in the work of the coronavirus task force. "

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/as-the-crisis-escalates-trump-experiments-with-a-pivot

[samran]

12 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

I am for it. If a person is vulnerable they can stay home. If everybody stays home for the next 2 months there will be nothing left. Nobody is forcing anybody to go out and nobody is forced to stay in either. 

And overwhelm the health system? Britain thought about that brainwave for about 5 minutes and then changed their mind.

 

I genuinely hope you don't get sick with something else or have a bad accident in the interim. As someone who had a child immune-compromised for a couple of years, I couldn't imagine what we'd do if that particular approach was taken.

[samran]

3 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

So true.

They will still continue with the anti-Trump stories and distortions - which the 'coverted' all lap up and believe, and then put forward as 'facts' on forums like this.

I wonder if any of them on this forum realise that in 2009 under Obama the Swine Flu (H1N1) in USA infected 60.8 million people, put 274,000 under hospitalizations, and caused 12,469 deaths.  I wonder if any of them (not the millenials/antifa in Mum's basement) remeber back then, because if they do then they will realise (maybe) that there was no worldwide panic/closure/economic collapse - and no media outrage against Obama for not stopping it quicker etc etc etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_the_United_States

So far the Trump Admin is doing a much better job than Obama's ever did.

 

At this point, the US has a case fatality of about 1.31%.

https://www.cebm.net/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

 

So lets assume 60.8 million people are infected this time around. So that just under 800,000 people - gone.

 

As a comparison, there were 291,000 US soldiers killed in WW2.

 

 

[metisdead]

A post using a screenshot of another site has been removed as that is not a valid link to the source of information. 

 

Troll posts and the trolling replies have been removed. 

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, Paul Henry said:

Trump must think numerous other countries don't know what their doing. They have closed their  economies in their country and will keep review it until a clear picture is formed. Good or Bad!.They will then set new policies in place to control the current situation. If Trump opens to early i  can see many countries keeping a ban on travel to or from the USA, while they open up travel to other countries that have the virus under control. Trump is only the president of the USA and will have no control over the actions of other countries..He will be responsible for the death of thousands of Americans but will no doubt blame everyone else.

Fortunately I am unmoved by the relative merits of the US media. Fox News does however appear (From a safe distance wearing a hazmat suit) to be a Covid 19 of the brain which has destroyed the grey matter of a significant proportion of the boomer generation, and others aside. 

 

The reality has dawned on many countries as you say, and reflects the best information and reasoned views of 10s of 1000s of professionals in medical, economic, and social disciplines. That it is discounted by a sad fraud of a man who is only interested in re-election to avoid jail, is hardly surprising. Par for the course as he would say. I cannot imagine that he cares how many lives have to be sacrificed to maintain the hollow fantasy of his mountainous ego.

 

This is a world crisis, which is being underplayed by many that it suits to do so. It looks pretty clear that the US has much worse to come yet, delusions of American exceptionalism notwithstanding. Attempting to get the economy back to normal at this stage is way way beyond idiotic. It is a bit like putting on full sail when the storm is still strengthening. The economy should be cautiously stimulated again when the medics say it is safe to do so, otherwise the death toll will be too high a price to pay even for the most ardent capitalist. 

 It will, going by reading on other such major incidents, have a big effect on the world economy for years. However we did recover from 2008 eventually. My deep regret is that we did not eliminate - with maximum prejudice - a large proportion of the bankers who gave us credit default swaps, and similar instruments of financial disaster. Will we ever learn?

 

Sorry, I am not going to lose any sleep over the decreased value of TV members share portfolios. As we say in Scotland, "There are nae pockets in a shroud".

[Nyezhov]

36 minutes ago, Opl said:

"Kushner has counseled Trump that the crisis isn’t as bad as the media is portraying. Two sources said Vice President Mike Pence has complained to Trump about Kushner’s meddling in the work of the coronavirus task force. "

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/as-the-crisis-escalates-trump-experiments-with-a-pivot

Golly and to think there night be differeing opinions in a huge organization.

 

25 minutes ago, samran said:

At this point, the US has a case fatality of about 1.31%.

Any case fatality rates without an asterisk are misleading. 

 

16 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Par for the course as he would say. I cannot imagine that he cares how many lives have to be sacrificed to maintain the hollow fantasy of his mountainous ego.

Dude your whole post is a sad rant of monumental proportions. Face facts: its either destroy the economy with dire predictions and screaming at the evil orage satan that brought it on or pull together, get this thing beat by everyone doing their part and if some folks fall in the trenches, thats the cost of saving society. Joe Biden wants Trump to be a war time president, well let him fight the war then. Or tell me, exactly what would you do if you were leader of the free world.

[Opl]

20 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Golly and to think there night be differeing opinions in a huge organization

On one side of the coin: the opinion as a self-proclamed medical savant ... on the other, the war-time president short term vision .. 

And Jared's expertise..

What else do you need? 

Edited March 24, 2020 by Opl

[Jingthing]

Elections have consequences. 

 

R. I. P. 

[Chiphigh]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

But, but Obama!!!!

The simple truth is Trump has had more than enough time to put measures in place to mitigate this pandemic. His own administration declared a public health emergency back in January but it took Trump until the 13th of March before he declared a national emergency. Even now there is mass confusion as matters that should be mandated at a national level are still left to individual states, creating lots of different scenarios where only 9 states have ordered residence to stay at home and only 31 states have finacial recompense in place. This is of course now growing but it's surely a case of locking the stable door after the horse has bolted.

Initially Trump brushed it all off with a it's 'just the flu' and basically called fears of the virus 'a hoax'. He has constantly undermined his own experts (and WHO advice) and has personally exposed others when he himself could have had the virus. He takes no personal responsibility for closing down the pandemic office or for the lack of testing available. He even lied about a new Google app. that said it would show all Covid-19 outbreaks.

His party is now trying to push a $2 trillion stimulas package wherein $500 billion is for 'discretionary spending' where they don't even have to say where the money is going. Fortunately the Dems are all over this and refusing to let it pass but in turn are being branded un-American for blocking what is obviously a slush fund for him and his cronies. 

His gross mishandling of this crisis will result in more deaths than is absolutley neccessary and this clown of a president just keeps adding fuel to an already blazing fire. He should resign for his serious mishandling of this, but with such a sychophantic following who feels he can do no wrong and defend him at every turn (especially on this forum), this is highly unlikely. 

The only hope now is the American people do not forget his incompetance come November and get rid of this stain on American democracy once and for all. 

Wow, quite a bit of hyperbole and biased opinions here, sprinkled with the obvious emotional outrage and virtue signaling. 

 

Well done. 

 

Do you have a vote in November? 

[albertik]

52 minutes ago, Opl said:

"Kushner has counseled Trump that the crisis isn’t as bad as the media is portraying. Two sources said Vice President Mike Pence has complained to Trump about Kushner’s meddling in the work of the coronavirus task force. "

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/as-the-crisis-escalates-trump-experiments-with-a-pivot

That's Beto's favorite rag.

[Chiphigh]

31 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Fortunately I am unmoved by the relative merits of the US media. Fox News does however appear (From a safe distance wearing a hazmat suit) to be a Covid 19 of the brain which has destroyed the grey matter of a significant proportion of the boomer generation, and others aside. 

 

The reality has dawned on many countries as you say, and reflects the best information and reasoned views of 10s of 1000s of professionals in medical, economic, and social disciplines. That it is discounted by a sad fraud of a man who is only interested in re-election to avoid jail, is hardly surprising. Par for the course as he would say. I cannot imagine that he cares how many lives have to be sacrificed to maintain the hollow fantasy of his mountainous ego.

 

This is a world crisis, which is being underplayed by many that it suits to do so. It looks pretty clear that the US has much worse to come yet, delusions of American exceptionalism notwithstanding. Attempting to get the economy back to normal at this stage is way way beyond idiotic. It is a bit like putting on full sail when the storm is still strengthening. The economy should be cautiously stimulated again when the medics say it is safe to do so, otherwise the death toll will be too high a price to pay even for the most ardent capitalist. 

 It will, going by reading on other such major incidents, have a big effect on the world economy for years. However we did recover from 2008 eventually. My deep regret is that we did not eliminate - with maximum prejudice - a large proportion of the bankers who gave us credit default swaps, and similar instruments of financial disaster. Will we ever learn?

 

Sorry, I am not going to lose any sleep over the decreased value of TV members share portfolios. As we say in Scotland, "There are nae pockets in a shroud".

Ah yes, the large portion of jocks still hoping for the socialist utopian dream while whinging about corporate greed without a clue about why employees require employers. 

[Logosone]

Finally a person able to lead.

 

Let's hope our spineless do nothing governments take a good look and start to bring back normality.

 

Self-isolation is not a long term solution. Testing, identifying and isolating the infected is the only way.

 

Good job America. Lead the way. Show the way out.

[Puchaiyank]

5 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Listen to the doctors, spend some more money on healthcare and social security and less on the army. It ain't rocket science.

Humm...wonder how N Korea...with their fascination with all things military...are handling the virus?

[Nigel Garvie]

6 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

 

Dude your whole post is a sad rant of monumental proportions. Face facts: its either destroy the economy with dire predictions and screaming at the evil orage satan that brought it on or pull together, get this thing beat by everyone doing their part and if some folks fall in the trenches, thats the cost of saving society. Joe Biden wants Trump to be a war time president, well let him fight the war then. Or tell me, exactly what would you do if you were leader of the free world.

How strange, and I thought you were the one given to sad rants, your history of such is impressive by any standards!

 

No Trump didn't develop the Covid virus, or destroy the economy (Yet), I didn't say he had. Neither is he Satan (That's Rupert Murdoch you are thinking of). How could such a shallow, pathetic, neurotic, insecure egoist as Trump ever qualify as the king of darkness. Beware!.......You have embarrassed the supreme awfulness himself by suggesting that there is any possible comparison. 

 

Angela Merkel is leader of the free world, Trump is just a child, playing in the bath with his battle fleets, not fit to clean her shoes.

 

I am not a leader, I have spent a lifetime watching others make fools of themselves trying to do that.

"Don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters"............good enough for Bob, good enough for me.

[FritsSikkink]

5 minutes ago, Puchaiyank said:

Humm...wonder how N Korea...with their fascination with all things military...are handling the virus?

What has that to do with the USA?

[Logosone]

1 minute ago, Nigel Garvie said:

 

Angela Merkel is leader of the free world, Trump is just a child, playing in the bath with his battle fleets, not fit to clean her shoes.

 

 

Angela Merkel is not a leader. She is notorious for being a watch what everyone else will approve and go that way politician.  I've always said this. And now with coronavirus this has become absolutely obvious, even her own state tv says so:

 

https://www.dw.com/en/opinion-germanys-disappointing-lack-of-leadership-on-coronavirus/a-52819158

 

Self isolation is not a long term option, people need to go back to work. In Germany Merkel was lucky that the health system was ramped up and geared up well, despite her failure in 2012 to heed the Robert Koch Institute's warnings about a coronavirus pandemic. She did nothing.

 

Let's hope Trump has the strength to follow through with this and sets an example for everyone else.

 

Larry Kudlow is right, the cure can't be worse than the disease.

 

 

 

 

[Nigel Garvie]

16 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Ah yes, the large portion of jocks still hoping for the socialist utopian dream while whinging about corporate greed without a clue about why employees require employers. 

Wrong there as it happens, I was an employer for near on 30 years. A small manufacturing business, nothing fancy. I tried to take good care of my employees, and appreciated the work that they did for the business.

My dream is an independent anarcho-socialist republic of Scotland, utopias don't exist. You are right about the corporate greed though, round the hedge fund managers up, and send them to the front!!

[Nigel Garvie]

6 minutes ago, Logosone said:

snip

 

Self isolation is not a long term option, people need to go back to work. In Germany Merkel was lucky that the health system was ramped up and geared up well, despite her failure in 2012 to heed the Robert Koch Institute's warnings about a coronavirus pandemic. She did nothing.

 

Let's hope Trump has the strength to follow through with this and sets an example for everyone else.

 

Robert Koch Institute's warnings about a coronavirus pandemic. ...........pretty smart people to not only warn of a pandemic (Many scientists have done that, sooner or later it was inevitable.) but to actually know it was going to be a corona virus specifically, ok maybe they had the 2nd sight.

 

Let's hope Trump .....sets an example for everyone else. 5555555555 best joke on here for a long time.

[EricTh]

If the economy is bad this year, the chances of Trump being re-elected will be lower.

[Chiphigh]

15 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Wrong there as it happens, I was an employer for near on 30 years. A small manufacturing business, nothing fancy. I tried to take good care of my employees, and appreciated the work that they did for the business.

My dream is an independent anarcho-socialist republic of Scotland, utopias don't exist. You are right about the corporate greed though, round the hedge fund managers up, and send them to the front!!

Scotland could never make it as a sovereign nation. But they would go begging to join the EU, but couldn't meet the financial obligations that other countries lied about to get in. 

 

But you can keep dreaming of the socialist dream that never delivers. 

[Nyezhov]

19 minutes ago, Logosone said:

 

 

Let's hope Trump has the strength to follow through with this and sets an example for everyone else.

 

Larry Kudlow is right, the cure can't be worse than the disease.

 

 

 

 

well you will know at 12:30 PM on Fox when a virtual Town Hall with the Pres will go on. Submit your questions. 

 

That should be good for ratings. More and more people everyday falling for the mesmerizing Fox Propaganda, oooooooooeeeeeeooooooooozipzipzip. Soon the entire population will be us FoxMorons, save 1/2 of the folks who watch CNN (about 400,000 when you take out the Aiports) who will still be crying their truth into the darkness.

 

 

 

[Nyezhov]

3 minutes ago, EricTh said:

If the economy is bad this year, the chances of Trump being re-elected will be lower.

Seems the public likes his leadership. And who ya gonna get to fix the economy, Joe Biden?

[AussieBob18]

1 hour ago, samran said:

At this point, the US has a case fatality of about 1.31%.

https://www.cebm.net/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

So lets assume 60.8 million people are infected this time around. So that just under 800,000 people - gone.

As a comparison, there were 291,000 US soldiers killed in WW2.

You are doing what the doomsayers are saying and causing the panic - worst/bad case scenarios. Your numbers are valid enough in a bad/worst case scenario - but that is not the issue I was talking about.  I am stating fact - when 60 million got infected and 12,000 died - the media did not at attack Obama and blame him - the media and most GOP and most conservatives did the right thing (red neck nutters aside) and left politics aside.  It is about time Trump haters did the same.

 

   

[Nyezhov]

Just now, johnnybangkok said:

the average Trump fans aversion to facts,

Are you calling Trump supporters stupid? or brainwashed?

 

How bout me? I support out Pres in this emergency. Tell me what "facts" I am adverse to.

[AussieBob18]

2 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

But, but Obama!!!!

The simple truth is Trump has had more than enough time to put measures in place to mitigate this pandemic. His own administration declared a public health emergency back in January but it took Trump until the 13th of March before he declared a national emergency. Even now there is mass confusion as matters that should be mandated at a national level are still left to individual states, creating lots of different scenarios where only 9 states have ordered residence to stay at home and only 31 states have finacial recompense in place. This is of course now growing but it's surely a case of locking the stable door after the horse has bolted.

Initially Trump brushed it all off with a it's 'just the flu' and basically called fears of the virus 'a hoax'. He has constantly undermined his own experts (and WHO advice) and has personally exposed others when he himself could have had the virus. He takes no personal responsibility for closing down the pandemic office or for the lack of testing available. He even lied about a new Google app. that said it would show all Covid-19 outbreaks.

His party is now trying to push a $2 trillion stimulas package wherein $500 billion is for 'discretionary spending' where they don't even have to say where the money is going. Fortunately the Dems are all over this and refusing to let it pass but in turn are being branded un-American for blocking what is obviously a slush fund for him and his cronies. 

His gross mishandling of this crisis will result in more deaths than is absolutley neccessary and this clown of a president just keeps adding fuel to an already blazing fire. He should resign for his serious mishandling of this, but with such a sychophantic following who feels he can do no wrong and defend him at every turn (especially on this forum), this is highly unlikely. 

The only hope now is the American people do not forget his incompetance come November and get rid of this stain on American democracy once and for all. 

You need to watch less CNN and stop reading WAPO and NYT.  IMO your 'truth' are a load of fake news.  But lets leave politics out of this. The People will decide in November - and I will accept that decision, because there is no right or wrong in political elections - it is what the People decide.  If they decide Trump then that is their decision. If they decide Biden then that is their decision. That is how an election works - the People decide who they want to be POTUS.