Trump risks blowback from war of words with China over coronavirus

[RJRS1301]

21 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

Some ??  All!  This is a Chinese virus and started there!  Why is that Doctors face never seem on CNN anymore ?? The one that exposed a lot of this?? 

Because Mr Trump is milking this crisis to enhance his profileand prove his competence as the most skilled communicator, medical scientist, and care co-ordinator, and his abilty to say big words

Edited March 26, 2020 by RJRS1301

[Solinvictus]

29 minutes ago, smedly said:

same for technology - we enabled them in return for cheap manufacturing, they reverse engineered it and now they are almost better at it than we are

The neo-liberal Democrats are the main ones responsible for the middle class going to China. Correct?

 

Also, wasn't it under Obama's watch that the Chinese were able to gain access to several US Military computer files along with Obama having a stolen/recovered technology incident with them too.

 

 

Edited March 26, 2020 by Solinvictus

[animalmagic]

5 minutes ago, Solinvictus said:

Also, wasn't it under Obama's watch that the Chinese were able to gain access to several US Military computer files along with Obama having a stolen/recovered technology incident with them too.

The Chinese, Russians and Americans are all trying to steal each others secrets every day, by any means fair or foul.  I do not dispute your quote on one incident where it was discovered, but would suggest there are many more where it wasn't.

It's a bit of a stretch to blame any President/Premier/Dictator for some other country's illegal actions against the country they happen to lead at the time.  Especially as some leaders selectively decline to accept responsibility for some things.

[Solinvictus]

46 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

Fortunately, your opinions, clearly biased as they are, do not constitute the actual reality. 

 

Get ready for another 4 year term. 

I think he will be get another 4 years also. The DEM candidate right now, Joe Hiden Biden, can't even speak. He is clearly in cognitive decline not to mention lacking leadership. Joe Biden represents the Obama, Clinton, and Bush establishments.

 

I previously and still support Bernie but seems like his FDR similar plans were too much change for many MSNBC viewers. Not to mention demonized. Yet 'freebies' are okay for banks and time and time again wallstreet, unaccounted for defense spending.

Edited March 26, 2020 by Solinvictus

[Nyezhov]

I support any effort, even to the point of punitive taxes to bring industry back to the USA, especially pharmaceuticals.

 

One of the reasons that all these critical industries went there in the first place was simple..$$$. The Chinese, with, among other things, low labor costs, vritually no environmental or safety regulations and access to govt cash could make it cheaper.

 

No more. They threatened to withhold medical supplies. Its over for them, the folks arent going to stand for that. Let them make lawn chairs, I want my Tylenol to be made in the USA and Ill pay more if necessary. I want my phone to read made in Thailand. I want the world to guarantee and protect Taiwan because its the nervecenter of the entire world.

 

And I want Trump to keep the pressure on. Maybe he will get some backing from countries who dont want to be chinese satraps. The Chinese need to know the the storm they have unleashed..

[RJRS1301]

Surely this is a time for co-operacy in administration of all, and cease point scoring, including from supports of any political persuasion

Peoples health and future are at risk , and once again the poor, ill, and most disadvantaged will be the victims.

 

[bristolboy]

7 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Surely this is a time for co-operacy in administration of all, and cease point scoring, including from supports of any political persuasion

Peoples health and future are at risk , and once again the poor, ill, and most disadvantaged will be the victims.

 

Cooperate with what? Trump's stated desire to end the emergency by Easter?

[RJRS1301]

5 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Cooperate with what? Trump's stated desire to end the emergency by Easter?

In attempting to stop more becoming infected. I am probably referring as much to suporter and detractors of both parties.

Perhaps less>> me me me and realising we are all in this together. all working together for a common good

 

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

In attempting to stop more becoming infected. I am probably referring as much to suporter and detractors of both parties.

Perhaps less>> me me me and realising we are all in this together. all working together for a common good

 

Which doesn't answer the question how is one supposed to respond to a President who is calling for the emergency measures to be over and done with by Easter? Say nothing? 

[Matzzon]

2 hours ago, LomSak27 said:

 

Things are bad, so just like another country you know, and possibly live in, Donald, needs to blame this on someone or something. Making it clear to his faithful supporters. It is not his fault, nor is it theirs. When you have a person as ignorant and distrustful of science, & extremely disliked by over half of the countries population, as Donald is, the blame game is everything.

I can see you were very happy to be able to put Thailand in the perspective of this as well. Didn´t have anything to do with this news. Did it satisfy you much?

[tifino]

55 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

4 hours ago, PatOngo said:

I don't as rule, agree with much that passes Don de don don's lips, but China should be held to account on SOME level by countries affected by this disaster, the initial coverup that allowed it to get out of hand in the first place and now just total silence from the Chinese "Leadership" that will have negative medical and economic effects on all those countries for a long time to come!

Some ??  All!  This is a Chinese virus and started there!  Why is that Doctors face never seem on CNN anymore ?? The one that exposed a lot of this?? 

 

added to CCPs disappearing citizens...  

 

[LomSak27]

Just now, Matzzon said:

Didn´t have anything to do with this news

Had everything to do with Donald's behavior as referenced by the OP.

 

Just now, Matzzon said:

Did it satisfy you much?

Not really. More concerned with both the offensive and defensive line. Maybe one or two free agent pick ups before the draft and ok, I would rest easier.

[PatOngo]

2 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Think to the future, China has a major achievement here due to a virus, we now live in interesting times.

 

…..and the west watches and procrastinates! ????

[KC 71]

4 minutes ago, Phuketshrew said:

Should have just nuked Wuhan in January ...

Stop licking windows

[PatOngo]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Got any specifics about what the "level" should be?

Let the punishment fit the crime!

[Aspaltso]

4 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

Irrelevant. China has single handedly brought the world to their knees with a virus. The new superpower, people!

Trump is being the antagonist he normally is to China. What did anybody expect? It goes along with what his "base" wants to hear, and he defends his actions by telling us that it was a communist party newspaper who falsely made the claim that the U.S military put the virus in Wuhan for it to spread around. The reality is the quote that I've put above. This virus is just now starting to spread rapidly in the southern hemisphere where Argentina, and Chile have seen large increases in infections, and the U.S is probably going to be the largest epicentre in the world. Where did it come from? China. Did the world get PC in 1918 when the pandemic "Spanish Flu" got passed around? No. People tried to do all they could to survive. It's a flu from China. If the Chinese government can't accept it being called the "Chinese flu" then no one should be taking them seriously.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Solinvictus said:

Up until last night, I have a new view on Trump and it is in a more positive light now. Despite all his very poor qualities and rhetoric. 

 

Basically, he is going to making some arrests and they will include several high profile folks. I hope it's true and if it does turn out to be, Trump defeated the Bush Family, Obama, and the Clintons. The former being actually the least worst of them all. 

 

The Clintons are the ones who actually were involved with the Russians.

ROFL. Are you for real?

[Pedrogaz]

4 hours ago, PatOngo said:

I don't as rule, agree with much that passes Don de don don's lips, but China should be held to account on SOME level by countries affected by this disaster, the initial coverup that allowed it to get out of hand in the first place and now just total silence from the Chinese "Leadership" that will have negative medical and economic effects on all those countries for a long time to come!

Nonsense they should be commended fir the speed and decisiveness of their actions and the spirit of cooperation in sharing information about the virus.

The so-called hero who blabbed ignorantly on social media with a group of friends was an ophthalmologist (an <deleted> eye doctor). He should have followed proper procedures and reported it to the infection disease department of the hospital.....but no straight onto social media to cause a panic.

Before public pronouncements can be made the diagnoses had to be confirmed....and bear in mind there were no specific SRSCovid-2 detection kits are the time. Since then a huge amount has been done, and is being undone by Trump.  

[PatOngo]

4 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

Nonsense they should be commended fir the speed and decisiveness of their actions and the spirit of cooperation in sharing information about the virus.

The so-called hero who blabbed ignorantly on social media with a group of friends was an ophthalmologist (an <deleted> eye doctor). He should have followed proper procedures and reported it to the infection disease department of the hospital.....but no straight onto social media to cause a panic.

Before public pronouncements can be made the diagnoses had to be confirmed....and bear in mind there were no specific SRSCovid-2 detection kits are the time. Since then a huge amount has been done, and is being undone by Trump.  

Nihao ma! ???? Enjoy your bat soup!

[Raven2]

Why are so many frightened of offending China? Just like politicians were frightened of offending Hitler in the in 1930s. China bullies, blusters, and threatens its way around the world. Their incompetence let the virus loose - they should be held to account.

[bristolboy]

30 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

Let the punishment fit the crime!

So, the answer is "no" you don't have any specific ideas of what the punishment should be.

[bristolboy]

17 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

Nonsense they should be commended fir the speed and decisiveness of their actions and the spirit of cooperation in sharing information about the virus.

The so-called hero who blabbed ignorantly on social media with a group of friends was an ophthalmologist (an <deleted> eye doctor). He should have followed proper procedures and reported it to the infection disease department of the hospital.....but no straight onto social media to cause a panic.

Before public pronouncements can be made the diagnoses had to be confirmed....and bear in mind there were no specific SRSCovid-2 detection kits are the time. Since then a huge amount has been done, and is being undone by Trump.  

So much wrong here. For one thing, China had the genetic code of the virus by Jan 2. Yet it didn't release it for a week. That info is crucial to creating test kits.

[PatOngo]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

So, the answer is "no" you don't have any specific ideas of what the punishment should be.

Correct, I don't formulate foreign policy!

[Isaanbiker]

White House trade adviser Peter Navarro, a leading China hawk, is crafting a new “Buy America” executive order aimed at reducing U.S. reliance on Chinese-made pharmaceuticals and other medical supplies.

 

Without the Chinese there wouldn't have been so many drug addicts, who were addicted to codeine products from their dealers in white.

 

Once they're hooked up and the laws were changed, heroin was cheaper than the codeine on the black market. Innocent people became junkies without having much choices. 

 

China produces tons of Fentanyl and it's easy to order via the Dark net.  

 

 . 70,200 people died in 2017. 

 

  The remainder were unknown. Many of the deaths are from an extremely potent opioid, fentanyl, which is trafficked from Mexico. The epidemic cost the United States an estimated $504 billion in 2015. In 2017, around 70,200 Americans died from drug overdose.

 

The Mexicans buy it from China. 

 

Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid_epidemic_in_the_United_States

 

 

 

 

    

Edited March 26, 2020 by Isaanbiker

[bristolboy]

3 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

Correct, I don't formulate foreign policy!

Which stops you from being specific why, exactly?

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, Isaanbiker said:

White House trade adviser Peter Navarro, a leading China hawk, is crafting a new “Buy America” executive order aimed at reducing U.S. reliance on Chinese-made pharmaceuticals and other medical supplies.

 

Without the Chinese there wouldn't have been so many drug addicts, who were addicted to codeine products from their dealers in white.

 

Once they're hooked up and the laws were changed, heroin was cheaper than the codeine on the black market. Innocent people became junkies without having much choices. 

 

China produces tons of Fentanyl and it's easy to order via the Dark net.  

 

 Here's a little remainder. 70,200 people died in 2017. 

 

  The remainder were unknown. Many of the deaths are from an extremely potent opioid, fentanyl, which is trafficked from Mexico. The epidemic cost the United States an estimated $504 billion in 2015. In 2017, around 70,200 Americans died from drug overdose.

 

Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid_epidemic_in_the_United_States

 

 

 

 

    

And if China cracks down on the illegal fentanyl trade, history has taught us that it will be a very effective measure in stopping its manufacture and availability?

[phantomfiddler]

"A dangerous backlash from Beijing" ? could that possibly mean they will stop sending us their junk and inferior products ?

[Nyezhov]

58 minutes ago, Raven2 said:

Why are so many frightened of offending China? Just like politicians were frightened of offending Hitler in the in 1930s. China bullies, blusters, and threatens its way around the world. Their incompetence let the virus loose - they should be held to account.

Easy:

 

Some folks are paid or corrupted

Some folks beleive in the Chinese system.

Some folks are stupid.

Some folks hate captialism or the west.

 

Take your pick.

[RJRS1301]

13 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said:

"A dangerous backlash from Beijing" ? could that possibly mean they will stop sending us their junk and inferior products ?

No they will send more

[Bundooman]

5 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

Irrelevant. China has single handedly brought the world to their knees with a virus. The new superpower, people!

And taking credit for it, by expecting the world to be thankful!