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3 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

President Trump was tied up with the impeachment hearings while the virus was getting going.  Pelosi drained valuable resources from the government at a critical time with her treasonous efforts.  After Trump is reelected, there will be hell to pay for the traitors.

 

Other than his non stop Tweeting, what about the impeachment occupied the President's time?

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1 hour ago, lannarebirth said:

It is hard to understand why the arrival of a hospital ship would require dredging, unless it was sent to a wharf/pier that was unaccustomed to receiving ships of any kind. A hospital ship carries virtually no cargo, so should be relatively shallow drafted.

 

perhaps it was pre-stocked to maximum weight capacity with medical supplies, water, etc etc ??

 

or other possibility you mentioned

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On 3/31/2020 at 7:55 PM, Skallywag said:

Article below says only 2,352.

This is the thing I do not understand.  I grew up with flus, worked in Alaska for 20 years and saw many many people get the flu, only a few went to a hospital.  There is no "treatment" for flu other than fluids and bed rest.  Those who reach the viral pneumonia stage need hospitalization and ventilators. 

 

"In New York, the number of people hospitalized was 9,517, up 12 percent from yesterday. Of those, 2,352 are in ventilator-equipped intensive care rooms"   

 

So why are an additional ~7,200 people being admitted into hospitals if they are not on ventilators?

From March 30.  

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html

 

admission criteria is not limited to requiring a ventilator. comorbid diseases needing support/treatment, some are social= have no help where they live and are too fragile/old debilitated to care for themselves. some require supplemental oxygen short of intubation, etc etc

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1 minute ago, atyclb said:

 

perhaps it was pre-stocked to maximum weight capacity with medical supplies, water, etc etc ??

 

or other possibility you mentioned

 

Maybe, but it can make it's own water and that would be 10's of thousands of tons of cargo and given it is for the use of humans I assume it is mostly empty space. Even a hospital ward is mostly empty space. It's not really important, it just had me wondering. 

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On 3/31/2020 at 9:43 AM, Skallywag said:
On 3/31/2020 at 5:12 AM, webfact said:

1,000-bed U.S. Navy hospital ship arrived in New York Harbor and docked on Manhattan's west side on Monday (March 30) after departing Norfolk, Virginia

 

Hospitals in the city have been overrun with patients suffering from COVID-19, the respiratory illness caused by the virus. New York state accounts for almost half the country's more than 152,000 cases and more than 40% of its more than 2,800 deaths,

Might as well just tell severely infected to visit the local mortuary and lay in a coffin.  1,000 beds is not what is needed.  30,000 ventilators is what is needed.

 

Anyone who does meet the demographic and are currently not exhibiting "severe" symptoms, should not be given a hospital bed, no matter how good their insurance is. 

There are no drugs for a "flu" virus...fluids, rest, and ultimately a ventilator if respiratory system is failing is all that can be done.

 

"There are no drugs for a "flu" virus...fluids, rest, and ultimately a ventilator if respiratory system is failing is all that can be done."

 

Hmmm, no drugs for treatment, ok professor, you should contact mass general hospital, harvard medical school ASAP and inform them their Covid 19 treatment algorithm is wrong.  see below

 

https://www.massgeneral.org/assets/MGH/pdf/news/coronavirus/covid-19_domID_treatmentGuide_figure1.pdf

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1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

Great job by Trump and all personnel to get this ship to NY on time

despite idiots like Rachel Maddow.

 

r maddow is far from an idiot (a rhodes scholar if i recall correctly) but she is paid to follow a specific narrative

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4 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

A hospital ship carries virtually no cargo, so should be relatively shallow drafted.


It carries the hopes and expectations of the nation.

 

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6 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

Great job by Trump and all personnel to get this ship to NY on time

despite idiots like Rachel Maddow.

Rachel Maddow reported the schedule released by the Pentagon.  How did that obstruct the progress of the ship?

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Through all the treasonous efforts led by the main stream media and leftist politicians, President Trump stands tall.

 

Now a cheering New York is on his side.

 

MAGA 2020 is assured and with the help of true American patriots he will make the country even better.

 

Thank you, President Trump!

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52 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Through all the treasonous efforts led by the main stream media and leftist politicians, President Trump stands tall.

 

Now a cheering New York is on his side.

 

MAGA 2020 is assured and with the help of true American patriots he will make the country even better.

 

Thank you, President Trump!

You clearly have a Trump-centric definition of treason that has nothing to do with reality.

 

It takes a small number of people to make noise at a pier.  Let's wait and see a proper poll of New Yorkers before concluding "New York is on his side".

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3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

You clearly have a Trump-centric definition of treason that has nothing to do with reality.

 

It takes a small number of people to make noise at a pier.  Let's wait and see a proper poll of New Yorkers before concluding "New York is on his side".

Disagree.

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8 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

r maddow is far from an idiot (a rhodes scholar if i recall correctly) but she is paid to follow a specific narrative

She should then state the following:  "I'm not an idiot but I play one on this television show."

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On 3/31/2020 at 12:42 PM, TopDeadSenter said:

<snip> That would account for Trump's cool demeanor and message.<snip>

I look on from Australia ... maybe a more objective position from which to listen to POTUS messaging. A different take on cool demeanours and messaging ...

 

A pattern is clear to me ...

 

(a) If Trump speaks "naturally" (as, for example in any of his campaign or fund raising speeches or WH press briefings) he is speaking 'honestly' and 'from the heart'. imo that is a very distorted version of honesty and very dark place, but it's a genuine message. We can believe it reflects his state of mind and his nature as a human being.

I think history will judge him on these messages..

 

(b) If Trump speaks more slowly, many pauses, uses a vocabulary unusual for him, does not pause for effect etc., then he is reading from a teleprompter or script prepared by others. I believe his advisers have told him this message needs to be delivered verbatim to save lives or advance America's vital interest.

I think history will recognise these as simply 'public service' messages.

 

When he is delivering messages in (b) mode, he does not always keep fully to the script, but these departures usual happen after the 'public service' content has been delivered, for example in Q&A session or the next WH briefing or the next tweet. 

 

Of course, about 50% of folk interested in the topic may disagree with me ... but, as with any pattern, there is a simple test ... observe it over time .. see if you can detect it yourself.

 

There will be plenty of opportunities to do that in the coming months as the consequences of delivering the wrong message ... or delivering the right message wrongly ... prove not just politically important but ... literally ... fatal.

 

My guess? Death focusses attention and alters behaviour like nothing else so (a) will tend to diminish and (b) will tend to increase in future.

 

I'm an atheist, but i understand and accept that many US citizens aren't ... so ... God help America.

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