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2 minutes ago, pdtokyo said:

I look on from Australia ... maybe a more objective position from which to listen to POTUS messaging. A different take on cool demeanours and messaging ...

 

A pattern is clear to me ...

 

(a) If Trump speaks "naturally" (as, for example in any of his campaign or fund raising speeches or WH press briefings) he is speaking 'honestly' and 'from the heart'. imo that is a very distorted version of honesty and very dark place, but it's a genuine message. We can believe it reflects his state of mind and his nature as a human being.

I think history will judge him on these messages..

 

(b) If Trump speaks more slowly, many pauses, uses a vocabulary unusual for him, does not pause for effect etc., then he is reading from a teleprompter or script prepared by others. I believe his advisers have told him this message needs to be delivered verbatim to save lives or advance America's vital interest.

I think history will recognise these as simply 'public service' messages.

 

When he is delivering messages in (b) mode, he does not always keep fully to the script, but these departures usual happen after the 'public service' content has been delivered, for example in Q&A session or the next WH briefing or the next tweet. 

 

Of course, about 50% of folk interested in the topic may disagree with me ... but, as with any pattern, there is a simple test ... observe it over time .. see if you can detect it yourself.

 

There will be plenty of opportunities to do that in the coming months as the consequences of delivering the wrong message ... or delivering the right message wrongly ... prove not just politically important but ... literally ... fatal.

 

My guess? Death focusses attention and alters behaviour like nothing else so (a) will tend to diminish and (b) will tend to increase in future.

 

I'm an atheist, but i understand and accept that many US citizens aren't ... so ... God help America.

 

I wonder what you might conclude if he spoke like Joe Biden.

Slow, stuttering, confused, with advancing dementia.

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3 hours ago, heybruce said:

Rachel Maddow reported the schedule released by the Pentagon.  How did that obstruct the progress of the ship?

 

It makes her an obstructionist, negative moron.....like the rest of the liberal networks.

 

In no way did she mention on air that she was quoting the pentagon. She framed it as her opinion.

She shot her mouth off once again.

 

They have gotten out of control in their trump bashing....not even waiting for deadlines to expire before pronouncing

failure...anti American to the max.

 

She shot herself in the foot.

 

Good...now even more people agree how biased and messed up they all are.

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Posted (edited)

Australia currently trying (imo in a not very humanitarian fashion) to repel various cruise ships dotted about it's coast ...

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/01/coronavirus-calls-to-repatriate-15000-crew-members-from-cruise-ships-off-australias-coast

 

Maybe a quick paint job (yay! jobs for Australians!!), plonk a few tradies on board* to knock up partitions (yay! more jobs!!) to re-configure as isolation vessels and set sail for NY ...

 

... arrive to cries of 'Morrison Morrison Morrison'. 

 

Maybe.

 

 

 

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* US pay for charter flight to get tradies back of course
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1 minute ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

It makes her an obstructionist, negative moron.....like the rest of the liberal networks.

 

In no way did she mention on air that she was quoting the pentagon. She framed it as her opinion.

She shot her mouth off once again.

 

They have gotten out of control in their trump bashing....not even waiting for deadlines to expire before pronouncing

failure...anti American to the max.

 

She shot herself in the foot.

 

Good...now even more people agree how biased and messed up they all are.

So, no obstruction to the progress of the ship, and the time she reported was the time the Pentagon announced (she never stated the time required was her opininon).  Got it.

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Just now, heybruce said:

So, no obstruction to the progress of the ship, and the time she reported was the time the Pentagon announced (she never stated the time required was her opininon).  Got it.

 

You'll never get it.

Another promise made and kept.

Maddow just delivered Trump another wining campaign advert.

Keep it up Rach!

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9 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

I wonder what you might conclude if he spoke like Joe Biden.

Slow, stuttering, confused, with advancing dementia.

Thanks for your considered response which quoted my post in full, but otherwise did not discuss any of it. My post related entirely to POTUS ... suggest your response is a great example of 'whataboutism'.

 

 

 

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On 4/1/2020 at 1:33 AM, Iron Tongue said:

What is your point in trying to turn every bit of news, even if good, into a US-bashing or Trump-bashing diatribe?  

Never let a crisis go to waste, and the net just echos their propaganda masters. The American people know whats what.

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2 minutes ago, pdtokyo said:

Thanks for your considered response, but my post related entirely to POTUS ... suggest your response a great example of 'whataboutism'.

A great example of truth you mean.

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5 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

You'll never get it.

Another promise made and kept.

Maddow just delivered Trump another wining campaign advert.

Keep it up Rach!

You have a very distorted view of reality.

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

A great example of truth you mean.

That response in itself is another great example of 'whataboutism' ... imo you really need to google it ...

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7 hours ago, donnacha said:
11 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

A hospital ship carries virtually no cargo, so should be relatively shallow drafted.

9 hours ago, atyclb said:

perhaps it was pre-stocked to maximum weight capacity with medical supplies, water, etc etc ??

or other possibility you mentioned

or possibly funds diverted from the Drain The Swamp Initiative ?

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29 minutes ago, pdtokyo said:

That response in itself is another great example of 'whataboutism' ... imo you really need to google it ...

No, I dont, but thanks for your efforts.

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https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Japan-quietly-reopens-as-much-of-world-locks-down

Give out antivirals and keep the elderly and at-risk people isolated.  Japan, China, Cuba all have anti-virals that could help with some of the symptoms

 

Extra health care facilities and PPE will not help if you cannot staff them or distribute them, because you have infected these "essential" workers

 

Health care workers and the general public are facing unnecessary risk from uninformed people entering facilities.   1400 or 1.6% of 83,000 cases have died in new york, yet 10's of thousands are seeking treatment.  Triage is needed before allowing these people into any health care facility

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1 hour ago, heybruce said:
1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

You'll never get it.

Another promise made and kept.

Maddow just delivered Trump another wining campaign advert.

Keep it up Rach!

You have a very distorted view of reality.

 

isn't that why we are all on the thaivisa form.  hehe

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On 3/31/2020 at 6:58 AM, TopDeadSenter said:

I think it's time some of the blatant fake news outlets have their broadcasting license revoked. In these stressful times there is no excuse for the likes of MSNBC's Maddow to say the hospital ship due to arrive at New York is "nonsense". As per the OP we can see Maddow is 100% wrong, and has probably (unnecessarily)caused panic and fear among her loyal viewers.

 

 

She said that trumps statement that the ship "will be operational next week" was nonsense, and she was correct the ship wasn't operational the next week.

On march 19th, Trump said it will be operational next week in new york. The ship was "not" operational in new york the following week,  the statement by trump that it would be operational, was nonsense.

She didnt say its not coming, or not due to arrive, she said it wont be in new york next week, and it wasn't.

 

Thank you for posting the clip as it is proof what she said.

Quote: "its nonsense, the ship will not be operational next week"

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