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5 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Pattaya is already a concrete jungle, Sihanoukville wasn't. 

 

I know what you are implying.  The Chinese will be everywhere here with bars and restaurants and will completely change the complexion of Pattaya.  That is possible, but I am thinking instead of bus loads of cheap Chinese package holiday makers, there will be bus loads of wealthy Chinese gamblers staying in big hotels that have gambling facilities.  

 

These wealthy Chinese would not be interested in going to see anything around Pattaya, because they have seen better elsewhere, they would be here only for the gambling. 

No need to worry about that because that would years away, at best... 

 

They are gonna need to find a quicker solution... 

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2 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

No need to worry about that because that would years away, at best... 

 

They are gonna need to find a quicker solution... 

You are correct, if casinos haven't been allowed to date, fair chance they will not be for some time.

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1 hour ago, balo said:

China will lose more economic power after the crisis, big companies in Japan and other countries already said they want to move their production out of China.

There are many alternatives, Vietnam, Taiwan, India to name a few.  I think the world have had enough of China.  All that cheap <deleted> plastic they try to sell , enough is enough. 

And all that high tech. gear, phones, computers et al. Rubbish! 🤣

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33 minutes ago, Leaver said:

You are correct, if casinos haven't been allowed to date, fair chance they will not be for some time.

First they would have to pass legislation, at national level

 

Then they would have to make a deal with some big foreign casino operator (Wynn, MGM...) 

 

Then they would need to build the casinos

 

Then they would need to train very specialized professionals

 

And so on... 10 years minimum... 

 

Much easier to use what's already there, and clean, clean, clean... but they are not able to do it, the corruption runs so deep they are not even able to think straight anymore... 

 

The city could very well enter a very long economic depression... 

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the reduction in traffic jam is welcome for me, ditto for available parking slots,

i hope for a big reduction of inhabitants.

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3 hours ago, Brunolem said:

First they would have to pass legislation, at national level

 

Then they would have to make a deal with some big foreign casino operator (Wynn, MGM...) 

 

Then they would need to build the casinos

 

Then they would need to train very specialized professionals

 

And so on... 10 years minimum... 

 

Much easier to use what's already there, and clean, clean, clean... but they are not able to do it, the corruption runs so deep they are not even able to think straight anymore... 

 

The city could very well enter a very long economic depression... 

I believe many hotels have been built with this in mind.  Some floors have na open floor plan, no rooms.  The elevator doesn't stop on these floors.  So, I doubt all casinos would need to be a new build.

 

Also, 10 years to be up and running, I doubt it would take that long.  It didn't in Sihanoukville.   

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There are huge swathes of land vacant and ready for development. The best example I see is on 2nd Road between Klang and Alcazar on both sides of the road. Grand Sole and Imperial hotels have been closed 2 years for refurb.

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As the OP, of course I kept in touch with "my Pattaya-Folks" as things unfold. Worse than I expected.
What strikes me most is the fact that even "well to do" Thai's in Pattaya that I know, have very little financial "buffer" to bridge over hard times. They may have accumulated some assets over time, but they can not be turned into cash quickly (as I gather).
- Not to speak of some Thai-Friends that are left without any "assets" at all. Very depressing.
Maybe the concept of "Karma" and "tomorrow is far away and out of sight" has come to haunt my Thai friends.

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On 4/10/2020 at 10:07 AM, Leaver said:

What would lure the wealthy to Pattaya?  It's certainly not the beach. 

The vast majority of condo owners and visitors to Pattaya are Thai.

They do not associate the place with vice and crime, to them it is

a resort with malls, water parks beachfront eating and many other

forms of entertainment that don't involve bars and bar girls.

 

The Chinese who visit are much the same, they may take a flag led 

amble along walking street to see the goings on, but they too are more

interested in shopping, eating and going on an island trip.

 

I admit that it was the seedy side of the town that initially attracted me

as a middle aged divorcee, and I still enjoy a few days in town every now

and then, but away from WS and the bar complexes there is so much more

to the place for non mongers.

 

The dynamic may well change, with modern technology you don't need to

go to a bar to find company for the night, perhaps the generation of old

guys propping up bars will fade away not to be replaced, but the town's 

location close to Bangkok and infrastructure plans mean that it will still

be a thriving destination.

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16 hours ago, Leaver said:

They could swap cheap package holiday Chinese for wealthy Chinese who want to gamble. 

Why the hell don't they open them in China and stay over there!

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16 hours ago, Leaver said:

You are correct, if casinos haven't been allowed to date, fair chance they will not be for some time.

The current puritan military government don't want any alcohol, drugs or sex ...........

You think they'll suddenly change course and let gambling start?

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4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

The 'straight down to it sex', which is essentially what you buy online I can get from my gf.

Yes me too..........:ph34r:

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23 hours ago, Dexlowe said:

You must be kidding. There's nothing wrong with sensible precautions, especially when you're a young female. Do you lock your front door when you go to sleep at night?

Sometimes, but all the windows are open.

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