Hua Hin Immigration making it difficult to get emergency extension.

[GeorgeCross]

2 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

There is a retirement visa in Singapore that a pensioner can access?

Didn't think so.

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Better bring your business to a place like Singapore, they are miles ahead of the Thai. I hope we can move soon.

 

what bit of "bring your business to" made you think he wanted to retire there?

 

 

[ParkerN]

1 hour ago, baansgr said:

I've always said that..traveling around Asia meeting other Asians and telling them I live in Thailand...some of the remarks made are unprintable...definitely viewed as.....there was a German word they used for Russians in WW2

It's not just Asians, in most Western countries that I have any knowledge of, Thais are regarded as most undesirable, even as tourists (note the case of South Korea for example). This is a direct result of the habit of many Thais, while insisting that foreigners observe the most minute of rules in Thailand are yet uncaring of the laws of the other country which they happen to be visiting.

 

In addition, when visiting other countries, many Thais are uncaring of local rules (for example rubbish disposal) and treat the host country almost exactly as they were accustomed to doing when back home.

 

All of this directly contradicts what I expected to find on moving to Thailand. As a tourist, I had the usual 'stars in my eyes', and entering the real world was difficult. There is no doubt that if I were able to relive that time, I would have stayed in Europe.

 

 

Edited April 1, 2020 by ParkerN

[Canuck1966]

23 minutes ago, ParkerN said:

Sad to say I agree, but the principal motivator in the psychology of a Thai is ego. Way down in the porridge that passes for a brain in Thailand, is the awareness that they are a 3rd-world country. Thais know this, and they very much do not like it so an unhealthy proportion of their lives is spent in trying to establish psychological dominance over other people, mainly foreigners, and principally Europeans, anyone in fact who hails from the land which is not a 3rd-world country or whom they suspect of feeling that they are superior to Thais when everybody knows they couldn't possibly be.

So the exercise is not to collect data, the exercise is to oblige the foreigner to jump through hoops, in the process making themselves feel powerful and omnipotent. I've been in this position many times since I arrived in Thailand 16 years ago. Yes it's irritating, yes they should have progressed as people but appear not to have done and no, I don't believe there is an alternative to just sitting down and smiling. A Thai will always support another Thai if in a conflict situation with a foreigner. There will be no help coming from that quarter however ridiculous the situation.

As already noted, sad to say, but imho irrefutable. It gives me no pleasure whatever to say it, but I like many others have fallen victim to the ego games played by many Thais, and I see no alternative explanation

 

Thais were used exclusively in testing Dunning-Kruger's cognitive bias theory

[emptypockets]

4 minutes ago, GeorgeCross said:

 

what bit of "bring your business to" made you think he wanted to retire there?

 

 

I asked a question. Is that not allowed now? Do you make the rules?

I asked the question in the context that a significant number of posters are, in fact, retired.

Can you answer the question? If not move on and perhaps someone with actual knowledge may be able to answer.

Still, I guess you have increased your post count by one. Congratulations.

[GeorgeCross]

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It's not just Asians, in most Western countries that I have any knowledge of, Thais are regarded as most undesirable, even as tourists (note the case of South Korea for example). This is a direct result of the habit of many Thais, while insisting that foreigners observe the most minute of rules in Thailand are yet uncaring of the laws of the other country which they happen to be visiting.

 

they don't have the best reputation around asia for sure

 

 

 

Edited April 1, 2020 by GeorgeCross

[Zikomat]

1 hour ago, darrendsd said:

The only plus point in all this rubbish is that they are not asking for proof of booked or cancelled flights as i'm sure I have read they are asking for in other threads

 

Having to take the house owner is a joke

 

Immi officer : Does this person live at the house

House Owner : Yes

 

What more could they possibly ask them than that? If you have a contract and the owners ID etc then that it is all the proof they need

 

They could use an electric shocker on the owner and to ask the same question one more time. 
To be serious, that “take your home owner with you” is there to justify a refusal for extension. And what kind of wording is that: ‘take the owner with you’? As if the owner was a part of your personal stuff.

[fourpack]

36 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

They probably dream of farangs committing suicide

I thought for a minute this was in some way humourous.

You sad  deluded person

[retayl]

1 hour ago, teatime101 said:

What kind of visa are you on?

90 day non Immigration O, single entry. 

[jackdd]

2 hours ago, retayl said:

all the Immigration Officer repeated was “ must have all forms to send to Head Office”, sadly this is all too believable.

But it's obviously a lie because in for example Chiang Mai this is not required.

[Boomer6969]

The process seems rather straightforward if you are a genuine [stranded] tourist staying at a Hotel.

 

This leads me to believe that they are targeting the people who abused the visa system with endless streams of tourist visas, border runs etc... In other words they don't want to turn Coronavirus into a free lunch for a herd they have undertaken to cull for the last 3 years.

[phetphet]

Those requirements don't seem far short of what is asked for for an annual extension based on retirement.

Surprised they haven't ask for proof of sufficient funds to support oneself.

[jackdd]

5 minutes ago, Boomer6969 said:

The process seems rather straightforward if you are a genuine [stranded] tourist staying at a Hotel.

 

This leads me to believe that they are targeting the people who abused the visa system with endless streams of tourist visas, border runs etc... In other words they don't want to turn Coronavirus into a free lunch for a herd they have undertaken to cull for the last 3 years.

I'm sure the hotel manager is happy to go to immigration together with the tourists who need to extend their visa to be interrogated

[jacko45k]

8 minutes ago, Boomer6969 said:

The process seems rather straightforward if you are a genuine [stranded] tourist staying at a Hotel.

True, if you are simply a tourist... ie not on an O-A, or Extension, unlikely you would have a one year rental, or own a property.

I don't see a provision for those living with a friend or relative either.

Damn you idiots, make some straightforward facility for those stranded here to sit it out!

[teatime101]

10 minutes ago, jackdd said:

I'm sure the hotel manager is happy to go to immigration together with the tourists who need to extend their visa to be interrogated

I was staying in a condo complex with more than 300 units. Imagine how busy the owner must be, presumably travelling from BKK and then going back and forth to the IO day after day.

Edited April 1, 2020 by teatime101

[SteveK]

In the current environment they should be telling people not to worry about overstays of up to 60 days and allowing it to be dealt with at the airport, thus keeping people out of immigration offices. And also, suspending the need for 90 day reporting (still can't get the website to work and went to do mine yesterday, took about an hour plus 3 hour round trip in the car), which would also reduce the number of people coming into the offices. Sounds like common sense?

 

But it seems they are still trying to get 1900 baht out of people who can't physically leave the country, and imposing the usually stupid paperwork requirements. Why on Earth do they need 2-3 photos of the guests at the hotel when they can make a 30 second call to check that they are staying there? The mind boggles. The process of having photos taken, getting them printed at a copy shop (if they are open), then getting them checked by the IO, signed, dated and countersigned takes how much longer than a phone call?

 

And what happens if the person doesn't meet the paperwork requirements? Deported? Detained? How is that going to work?

Edited April 1, 2020 by SteveK

[tropo]

They want to keep as many foreigners cooped up in Immigration offices across the country as possible for as long as possible. Be damned with social distancing. 

 

I'm definitely doing my next extension with a visa agent.

[SpanishExpat]

11 minutes ago, SteveK said:

But it seems they are still trying to get 1900 baht out of people who can't physically leave the country, and imposing the usually stupid paperwork requirements. Why on Earth do they need 2-3 photos of the guests at the hotel when they can make a 30 second call to check that they are staying there? 

The main problem is that NO HOTEL in the current climate will give you a confirmation letter (that was also a requirement at some immigration offices), stating you will stay for XX days/weeks. Hotels have been shutting down with short announcements all over the country, so no general manager will sign you such a letter.

 

The worst thing is that immigration will sooner or later be forced to act like in other countries. But until that happens, Thailand is like always the world leader for making tourists, expats etc suffer. It gets me so super <deleted>, as the IO`s in the different offices mostly think the same. However, being just a robot a the lower end of a hierarchical structure, they rather obey until they get infected, instead of gathering signatures/whatever and forward it to the top level to change the status quo.

Edited April 1, 2020 by SpanishExpat

[The Farang]

2 hours ago, GeorgeCross said:

trat immigration also want to interview the house owner!!

 

This is how it always is when you get an extension that brings you to the 90+ day mark.  They do love paperwork.   Truth is they don't care if you're stuck or don't come back.  They don't like foreigner's staying there for extended periods of time.   I haven't figured out where the disdain comes from but it is just how it is.  Starts from the top in the government and trickles down to the immigration.   One thing I will say is they do get a lot of shady people that come there and do bad things while they are there so maybe that's why.   I lived there for over a year and thats just how it is.  Just know when you're sitting there <deleted> off because you overstay and its out of your control they're are laughing at you.

[SteveK]

6 minutes ago, tropo said:

They want to keep as many foreigners cooped up in Immigration offices across the country as possible for as long as possible. Be damned with social distancing. 

Precisely the opposite of what they should be doing. I guess it's the 1900 baht which is tempting them them to do so. And the further ability to annoy even more foreigners with absolutely ridiculous paperwork requirements. As someone else has mentioned, Thais certainly love making other people's lives as difficult as possible.

 

I remember the first time I went to do my marriage extension, the IO kept asking for additional documents which I knew weren't needed, but I had taken everything I had to the office. You could see her getting more and more annoyed as I was able to produce each document she asked for.

Edited April 1, 2020 by SteveK

[tropo]

What happened about this proposal on Monday:

 

 

[Peter Denis]

8 minutes ago, tropo said:

What happened about this proposal on Monday?

See attached link and appropriate comment by @BangkokReady

 

[Edwin Cameron]

I have been coming to Thailand since 1968, sadly after my experience the last time with an utterly rude, arrogant Thai Immigration officer (female) I will be going to the Phillipines when this Pandemic is finished, Farangs are fleeing Thailand for Vietnam,Cambodia and the Phillipines.

[unamazedloso]

Farangs can count the dead and tell everyone else so best they get out so the chinese human rights abuses, lies, corrupt, etc,.. mentality can continue. 

I tell my family about all this rubbish and they clearly think im joking and i get frowned upon. Thailands a joke but they are the only people that dont know it. 

[SteveK]

I must admit I have started to think about Cambodia, costing up an apartment, motorbike and general living costs it looks very reasonable, plus if I want to do some English teaching or other work to earn some pocket money it's a breeze compared to Thailand.

[stuhan]

2 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

You can not make this stuff up!  Reads like an April Fools Joke.

 

Immigration is ruining this country for tourism and retirement.

 

There are plenty of countries with more to offer than Thailand and welcome visitors and retirees...

 

Take your tons of paperwork to the bank and see how much it is worth...before long that is all you will have left as evidence that foreigners once came and supported your economy...

 

 

Yes many countries and i am moving to one in south america in november $600 a month income required and no money in the bank needed.No visa required for 3 month stay for most countries.Full residency in 5yrs.

[Cricky]

3 hours ago, retayl said:

. They also want a print out of the email received from the Embassy.

Can't see anything wrong here.

It's quite easy to type a letter and print it off.

They're just making sure it's original and not fraudulent. 

[jackdd]

6 minutes ago, VYCM said:

Can't see anything wrong here.

It's quite easy to type a letter and print it off.

They're just making sure it's original and not fraudulent. 

To write yourself an email and print it makes it more difficult?

I think all embassies which are issuing the letters are issuing them to everybody, so there is no point in faking it if your embassy issues it.

If the IO thinks that the embassy of the applicant does not issue such letters, and thus the letter might be fake, he could just call them to confirm it.

Edited April 1, 2020 by jackdd

[tonray]

12 minutes ago, stuhan said:

i am moving to one in south america in november $600 a month income required

Does that include kidnapping ransom or is that a separate charge ?

[Youlike]

1 hour ago, GeorgeCross said:

 

they don't have the best reputation around asia for sure

 

 

 

They do....ask any european where all the sexpats go.....although the phillipines are also hot last years.

[ParkerN]

3 hours ago, Canuck1966 said:

Thais were used exclusively in testing Dunning-Kruger's cognitive bias theory

Hrrrmmm.

 

Possible,

 

That would certainly fit the observable facts though Dunning and Kruger's work is often treated in the same way as Alfred Adler's "superiority complex" though frankly I am not and never have been a fan of Alfred Adler. In my view he was correct to the extent that the superiority complex he describes originates in the need to overcome an inferiority complex, which without a doubt many, perhaps most Thais suffer from, in my judgement a natural consequence of inviting hordes of American military personnel to R&R in Thailand during the Vietnam War; The grunts from USA weren't famous for behaving well.

 

Nevertheless what you say seems to be correct, or at least plausible; at worst, if incorrect, it does seem to fit the facts. Whether Dunning and Kruger really did examine Thais only, I frankly don't know. Still, David Dunning is a sincere and pleasant enough guy who is acutely aware of the misuse to which his and Kruger's work has been subject (mainly by people who lack a formal education in psychology, but who wish to appear otherwise), and that does seem to causes him some genuine disappointment. I may ask him though about the Thai content of his subjects next time we meet - though geography is not exactly a big help i this regard…

 

Some years ago I discovered a paper by one of the first Thai PhD's in psychology. It was really an amazing read, though the scholarship of it accorded pretty much with expectations. I'll see if I can dig out the paper, it was available on the web somewhere.

 

Edited April 1, 2020 by ParkerN