sapson Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 4 hours ago, smedly said: First reported case of this virus outside China was ..................Thailand back in January, a Chinese National from Wuhan Absolutely .....and how long before Thailand took it seriously and how long did they continue to make the Chinese very welcome. Yet some of the lowest reported initial figures, simply amazing Thailand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecoolfrog Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 6 hours ago, robblok said: They have a huge backlog of tests that have not been done. I believe they test a max of 700+ cases a day. So they are not testing that much yet. So 100 new positives from 700 tests. Even allowing for the fact that only those showing symptoms are being tested , by simple projection the infection rate must be in the many thousands already. That is not conjecture , just basic maths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkerN Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 The USA is presently catching quite a lot of flack for under testing; the major implication of this is that the infection and death rates in the USA both being underestimated. Certainly the latest briefings strongly suggest an acceptance of between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths in the course the next 3 to 4 weeks. Privately this is being revised upwards to somewhere north of 250,000. What America gets this month, Thailand will get next month, and it's worth noting that in Thailand testing and diagnosis have continuously been alleged to have been understated for political purposes. With this in mind, it does seem likely that over the course of the next two months, the infection and death rate in Thailand is going to soar, and there doesn't appear to be anything in the world that the Thai government can do to stop it from happening. Certainly, the number of also-rans who are being wheeled out to comment on social distancing and related matters strongly suggest that something is up. It might well be fingers crossed time quite soon. Something isn't right about the way all this has been handled, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9a9a Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 7 hours ago, mrwinner said: Approx 120 new cases every day. You wonder if this reported linear increase is because the number of tests that can be carried out is limited to a very low number. You would think there should be some exponential increase by now. Someone correct me if I am wrong but I read recently that they are only testing around 500 to 600 people each day. If that is so then those testing positive are around 20% of the ones tested, is this the reason why the numbers show an increase each day around the 120 testing positive. I watched sky news this morning showing the new high speed test taking place in Bangkok, the reporter followed a thai man through the 15 min test process. He was the 8th person to be tested today and the results showed he was positive and the 5th positive result out of 8 tests this morning ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbeemer Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 7 hours ago, Forza2002 said: https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-thailand-trials-15-minute-covid-19-test-11966591 7 hours ago, Forza2002 said: https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-thailand-trials-15-minute-covid-19-test-11966591 I'm sure th8s is an antibody test. It detects if you have antibodies in your blood which is an indication of the presence of a viral infection. If positive, you are sent for further testing to identify the virus. I sell these wholesale made in China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer6969 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rod the Sod said: Whilst I await the avalanche of doubters to comment, I have met up with a fellow inmate at the Condo whose Cousin is one of the World's leading Virologists who was flown in by Singapore to help them at the start of this crisis. I assume therefore he knows more about what he is talking about than me and 99.999% of us on this Forum. To cut a long story short he said that 3 countries were well placed to deal with CV-19 - Singapore, Taiwan and believe it or not Thailand. Whether he is right or wrong, it has given me a little more confidence in what is happening here. BTW I had an Antibody Test this morning and it was negative - booooo! He isn't so clever after all, as he hasn't hasn't foreseen the obvious success of the Republic of Korea.. And, can one get some sort of an epidemiology certification for being the cousin of a leading virologist? Edited April 1, 2020 by Boomer6969 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post joecoolfrog Posted April 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 1, 2020 3 hours ago, fabman5 said: Probably around 60 thousand deaths on the roads including those that didn't die at the roadside so far this year. Yet people are in a panic and closing everything because of a strong flu virus that might kill a few thousand at worst. Look at the UK, On average around 17 thousand people die in England alone from the flu over the last 5 years. The figure for Clovid looks like much less, But the whole country and others like it come to a standstill, costing peoples jobs, causing depression People becoming overweight through being stuck indoors all day. etc etc. Total Madness ( the word sheep springs to mind ) The expression ' head in the sand ' comes to mind. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Christmas13 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 8 hours ago, Forza2002 said: Worldwide infection numbers..https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-the-infection-numbers-in-real-time-11942138 who put the US on number 1 it is a lie, Trump said it all will be over in April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimamey Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 4 hours ago, fabman5 said: Probably around 60 thousand deaths on the roads including those that didn't die at the roadside so far this year. Yet people are in a panic and closing everything because of a strong flu virus that might kill a few thousand at worst. Look at the UK, On average around 17 thousand people die in England alone from the flu over the last 5 years. The figure for Clovid looks like much less, But the whole country and others like it come to a standstill, costing peoples jobs, causing depression People becoming overweight through being stuck indoors all day. etc etc. Total Madness ( the word sheep springs to mind ) I think the point is that the mortality rate is petty low but the infection rate is high. If you can keep the number of infections down then the number of deaths will be low. That's why you need the restrictions. If the infections get out of hand even a low mortality rate will give a lot of deaths. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Niteowl45 Posted April 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 1, 2020 7 hours ago, fabman5 said: Probably around 60 thousand deaths on the roads including those that didn't die at the roadside so far this year. Yet people are in a panic and closing everything because of a strong flu virus that might kill a few thousand at worst. Look at the UK, On average around 17 thousand people die in England alone from the flu over the last 5 years. The figure for Clovid looks like much less, But the whole country and others like it come to a standstill, costing peoples jobs, causing depression People becoming overweight through being stuck indoors all day. etc etc. Total Madness ( the word sheep springs to mind ) When I read your post the word stupidity comes to mind instead, dude It's pointless to quote statistics if you don't understand what they mean. Thousands of people die every year because of many reasons but they don't all go to the hospital at the same time and within a few weeks, or a few days. Few people die of this in the end, if they receive proper medical care (as low as 1% i they receive intensive care, up to 10% if they don't).... if too many get sick many do not get proper care and mortality rates go up. if you let a virus like this go unchecked you'll get what is happening in Italy and Spain...the spike: hospitals filled with people, more people getting sick, doctors and nurses getting sick.... thousands of people getting sick at the same time. Our systems are designed to deal with normal demand, not a sudden surge. And that's not all.... let's say you have an accident, or have other health issues, but the hospitals are too packed to look after you, mortality rate goes up for every kind of issue. And on top of that, the hospital would be filled with sick people and if you are already sick getting Covid could be a death sentence I hate the 'sheep' mentality you described, but unfortunately trying to flatten the curve of a pandemic is necessary regardless of how many blockheads don't get the reasons for it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whaleboneman Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 12 hours ago, wasabi said: Numbers looking good, but is it too soon to start eating some of my frozen food stock pile? yes, thaw it out first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolitian Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 13 hours ago, webfact said: Thailand confirms 120 new coronavirus cases Bad april fools joke. On the 2nd and onward realistic numbers please. Unfortunately we will meet Saint-Glinglin / Sint Juttemis / Sankt Nimmerlein * first before that will happen. * U r free to tell me the English name of that saying. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallywag Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19).pdf https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/index.php Edited April 2, 2020 by Skallywag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 30 minutes ago, Skallywag said: Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19).pdf 27.1 kB · 0 downloads https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/index.php so possibly all those under PUI could be positive if they tested them.....how is under investigation even cleared if not tested and then shown as tested but negative and not infected with COVID-19. i am totally confused by the failure to adequately explain the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod the Sod Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 On 4/1/2020 at 5:36 PM, DrTuner said: Can you tell a little bit about the procedure, was it a blood test from tip of the finger or a swab from the nose? It was a blood test from the tip of my finger. I had to put some in a little plastic test kit and then the nurse added a liquid. Five minutes later there was one line (if positive there are two I believe). Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, ThailandRyan said: so possibly all those under PUI could be positive if they tested them.....how is under investigation even cleared if not tested and then shown as tested but negative and not infected with COVID-19. i am totally confused by the failure to adequately explain the numbers. Last report has a very large drop in pending results. But there was no corresponding hike in confirmations. I take that as a sign they have further tightened the criteria who gets tested and some dropped out of the queue. Which is completely the opposite of what needs to happen. The culprit is the usual combination of the deadly idiotic cultural defect, face, and the political need to keep the hoi polloi sedated. The cost for this idiocy will be lives. EDIT: What the... am I going blind or what, did they remove the pending results from the Thai reports??? https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/situation.php . F.ex. comparing the English version from 29.3 : https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/file/situation/situation-no86-290363.pdf, pending 6,961, and the Thai version: https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/file/situation/situation-no86-290363_4.pdf, pending nowhere to be seen. What just happened? Seriously? They are omitting the number in the Thai results? Or is the virus eating my brain? I remember seeing those numbers in the Thai reports before, but not now. Does anybody have an older report stored locally which has the number and could compare to what is online now? EDIT: Holy mother of all coverups!! Here's Internet archive's version of 21st March: https://web.archive.org/web/20200321193229/https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/file/situation/situation-no78-210363.pdf , stored on that day Here's what online right now: https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/file/situation/situation-no78-210363_1.pdf They have altered the reports post-fact. The one stored in Internet Archives has the pending number, the one currently online does not. Busted red handed. Ziiishus they are brazen, they even added a _1 in the filename. I was just waiting for them to drop into that trap, they didn't know internet archives exist. EDIT: ..... you can't make this up. They didn't even bother to remove the original version from the server. Sometime incompetence plays in your favor. https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/file/situation/situation-no78-210363.pdf - the original with the pending number https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/file/situation/situation-no78-210363_1.pdf - the one now online where pending test number has been redacted. Edited April 2, 2020 by DrTuner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) You can't really make this up .. they have two versions in Thai with and without the pending. https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/file/situation/situation-no89-010463.pdf - with pending ( 2,119, there has been a mysterious drop) https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/file/situation/situation-no89-010463_1.pdf - with pending removed and this is the one being linked to in the main page EDIT: and before you ask, no, there's no report with _2. I guess if they made that one it would be the Xinhua version. Edited April 2, 2020 by DrTuner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelepulse Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Did the numbers for today, April 2nd not get put out? I don't see any updates on a website I look at that shows numbers from every country, and I don't see any new news headline about it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, steelepulse said: Did the numbers for today, April 2nd not get put out? I don't see any updates on a website I look at that shows numbers from every country, and I don't see any new news headline about it here. No, not out from MoPH yet: https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/situation.php Maybe they are still trying to figure out what else they can drop from them besides the pending numbers. Or busy further redacting alrady published reports. The "open government data" at https://data.go.th/en/dataset/covid-19-daily is even older, 'Last updated date March 31, 2020' . Very open indeed. Like a teflon clad bowling ball without the holes. Shame on them. Edited April 2, 2020 by DrTuner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susco Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 55 minutes ago, DrTuner said: You can't really make this up .. they have two versions in Thai with and without the pending. https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/file/situation/situation-no89-010463.pdf - with pending ( 2,119, there has been a mysterious drop) https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/file/situation/situation-no89-010463_1.pdf - with pending removed and this is the one being linked to in the main page EDIT: and before you ask, no, there's no report with _2. I guess if they made that one it would be the Xinhua version. Strange but I don't see any difference between both reports, and both links actually go to the exact same file. Maybe you can point us to the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Susco said: Strange but I don't see any difference between both reports, and both links actually go to the exact same file. Maybe you can point us to the difference? Sure, my pleasure: https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/file/situation/situation-no89-010463.pdf https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/file/situation/situation-no89-010463_1.pdf As you can see, the non-bold portion of that paragraph that has the pending number (2,119) has been deleted. EDIT: Beware they might have added a HTTP redirect from the one without _1. Here are the copies: situation-no89-010463.pdfsituation-no89-010463_1.pdf The one in the wayback machine (internet archive) is not hosted in Thailand and they won't be able to redact it. Nice try. Just put the pending number back, you've been busted. Edited April 2, 2020 by DrTuner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susco Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, DrTuner said: Sure, my pleasure: https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/file/situation/situation-no89-010463.pdf https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/file/situation/situation-no89-010463_1.pdf As you can see, the non-bold portion of that paragraph that has the pending number (2,119) has been deleted. Maybe you should try to click the links you posted in #107, because both links go to the exact same pdf file Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Susco said: Strange but I don't see any difference between both reports, and both links actually go to the exact same file. Very strange, they do have the same link under the actual URL I pasted. A TVF glitch? In my post above they are correct. One more time just to test: https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/file/situation/situation-no89-010463.pdf https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/file/situation/situation-no89-010463_1.pdf EDIT: seems to have worked this time. No idea why the original post has same link for both. Mods could do a favor and correct, I can't edit anymore. Edited April 2, 2020 by DrTuner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkfish Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Think they just don't have the capacity to do more tests so probably don't know how many are infected. I saw this on Twitter some days ago not sure if its accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, monkfish said: Think they just don't have the capacity to do more tests so probably don't know how many are infected. I saw this on Twitter some days ago not sure if its accurate. It's from an individual ( Sippakorn Widsankun ) that works on robotics, among others. He didn't give the source of the lab tests per day number, I would guess he used a formula to derive it from daily PUI change/daily change in pending results. Edited April 2, 2020 by DrTuner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabman5 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 It's also impossible to get an accurate number around the world of deaths from Covid 19 ..some countries are recording illnesses like Cancer etc.. Falling down the stairs.. If you have any kind chest infection, you'll been diagnosed as death from Covid 19 . Whilst more common sense countries only record the death as Covid 19 if that's actually what you died from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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