China tapped for more masks to protect medics

[Selatan]

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[Selatan]

2 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

bad quality batches out of how many?  even so, seems even the usa is fighting for chinese masks.

 

but who to blame for this one?  the americans for paying double the contract value, in cash, or the chinese for welching on a deal.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/france-us-coronavirus-masks-china

 

Should be less of a problem from now on:

China moves to ensure quality of medical supply exports
 

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Starting Wednesday, exporters of medical products including COVID-19 testing kits, medical face masks, medical protective suits, ventilators and infrared thermometers need to provide extra documentation when they go through customs clearance, according to the commerce ministry.

The document, in either print or digital form, should contain a declaration that the products have been officially registered in China and meet the quality-control standards of respective export destinations, the commerce ministry said in a notice on its website.

Unregistered medical face masks effectively banned from export.

[Selatan]

3 hours ago, rkidlad said:

What does that have to do with Taiwan? 

The Taiwanese are Chinese too. The Chinese have very strong family values. Look at that story:
 

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When Chinese-born businessman Luca Zhou flew home from China on Feb. 4 to rejoin his wife and 28-year-old son in Prato, he put himself straight into quarantine in his bedroom for 14 days, separated from his wife and son.

"We had seen what was happening in China and we were afraid for ourselves, our families and our friends," said the 56-year-old, who has a business exporting Italian wine to China.

Maybe you don't realise this - the Chinese traditionally do not hug or kiss each other (not even own family members), or even shake hands. That should tell you something about the Chinese and their long history of dealing with disease outbreaks. 

[rkidlad]

7 hours ago, Selatan said:

The Taiwanese are Chinese too. The Chinese have very strong family values. Look at that story:
 

Maybe you don't realise this - the Chinese traditionally do not hug or kiss each other (not even own family members), or even shake hands. That should tell you something about the Chinese and their long history of dealing with disease outbreaks. 

I’m talking about Taiwan. I recognize Taiwan as its own Independent state/country which has democracy. That democracy voted in their leader which was a huge message to Beijing that they want nothing to do with the CCP. Going back to my original point of why Taiwan is doing so well during this pandemic. The reason being they know the CCP better than anyone. They took this novel virus very seriously and dismissed and ignored Beijing’s lies.

[Selatan]

5 hours ago, rkidlad said:

I’m talking about Taiwan. I recognize Taiwan as its own Independent state/country which has democracy. That democracy voted in their leader which was a huge message to Beijing that they want nothing to do with the CCP. Going back to my original point of why Taiwan is doing so well during this pandemic. The reason being they know the CCP better than anyone. They took this novel virus very seriously and dismissed and ignored Beijing’s lies.

Again the same answer - it's a Chinese cultural thing. You farangs will never understand the inscrutable Chinese. No wonder all the so-called China experts of the West that predicted the fall of China for decades have failed miserably.

Chinese society is based on Confucian values. The state is considered as an extension of the family unit. 

China did so well in containing the epidemic within its borders so of course the West have to conclude that it must be lying. How about the West coming to the conclusion that the West had been taking things too lightly? The Prato story that I gave earlier is a microcosm about how the world deals with the pandemic.

[rkidlad]

1 hour ago, Selatan said:

Again the same answer - it's a Chinese cultural thing. You farangs will never understand the inscrutable Chinese. No wonder all the so-called China experts of the West that predicted the fall of China for decades have failed miserably.

Chinese society is based on Confucian values. The state is considered as an extension of the family unit. 

China did so well in containing the epidemic within its borders so of course the West have to conclude that it must be lying. How about the West coming to the conclusion that the West had been taking things too lightly? The Prato story that I gave earlier is a microcosm about how the world deals with the pandemic.

You've completely lost me.

 

The CCP has lied about their numbers. The leaders of the CCP are not to be conflated with the leaders of Taiwan. Taiwan wants nothing to do with the CCP - as the world is slowly but surely understanding why. Ask many a Taiwanese person (and Hong Kongers) if they share the same values as their brothers and sisters in mainland China - I can assure you most will answer you with a resounding 'no'. 

 

The West did take things too lightly. They listened to the numbers coming from the CCP and the WHO and actually took them with some degree of seriousness. We still seem to be not learning that our values in the West are often the polar opposite of theirs.  

[Selatan]

On 4/3/2020 at 6:28 PM, rkidlad said:

You've completely lost me.

 

The CCP has lied about their numbers. The leaders of the CCP are not to be conflated with the leaders of Taiwan. Taiwan wants nothing to do with the CCP - as the world is slowly but surely understanding why. Ask many a Taiwanese person (and Hong Kongers) if they share the same values as their brothers and sisters in mainland China - I can assure you most will answer you with a resounding 'no'. 

 

The West did take things too lightly. They listened to the numbers coming from the CCP and the WHO and actually took them with some degree of seriousness. We still seem to be not learning that our values in the West are often the polar opposite of theirs.  

Here's a perspective from an Indian, I think:

Fatal exceptionalism and lack of humility to learn from the Asian example
Covid-19, or how the West was undone by its assertion of civilizational difference bordering on provincial narcissism
 

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And the reason so many Western nations didn’t make a considered policy choice had nothing to do with the difference in response times built into democracies and dictatorships. South Korea is a democracy, as is Taiwan. The reason was cultural. 

East Asian countries such as China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan and SIngapore all have one thing in common - they are all Confucian-based societies. But Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan and Singapore didn't do as well as China during this crisis because they have been overly influenced by Western values. But of course, they would still outdo the West in this regard.

[rkidlad]

45 minutes ago, Selatan said:

Here's a perspective from an Indian, I think:

Fatal exceptionalism and lack of humility to learn from the Asian example
Covid-19, or how the West was undone by its assertion of civilizational difference bordering on provincial narcissism
 

East Asian countries such as China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan and SIngapore all have one thing in common - they are all Confucian-based societies. But Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan and Singapore didn't do as well as China during this crisis because they have been overly influenced by Western values. But of course, they would still outdo the West in this regard.

Yes, 4 weeks before China admitted they had a virus, they were getting Chinese companies to send back masks and alcohol wipes, etc. from abroad.

 

How to deal with a virus? Don't tell anyone, hoard as many medical supplies as you can in preparation, and then tell the rest of the world when it's too late. 

 

Let's not worry about where the last few viruses came from (China). I'm sure nothing like this will happen again. No need for China to change its habits. The West must now better prepare for viruses coming from countries with regimes that have no morals. What a lovely Confucian-based future the world can look forward to.

 

 

[ChouDoufu]

12 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Yes, 4 weeks before China admitted they had a virus, they were getting Chinese companies to send back masks and alcohol wipes, etc. from abroad.

 

How to deal with a virus? Don't tell anyone, hoard as many medical supplies as you can in preparation, and then tell the rest of the world when it's too late. 

 

Let's not worry about where the last few viruses came from (China). I'm sure nothing like this will happen again. No need for China to change its habits. The West must now better prepare for viruses coming from countries with regimes that have no morals. What a lovely Confucian-based future the world can look forward to.

 

 

 

don't imagine for a moment "we" were fooled by chinese lies, if they actually were lies, or if they were a lack of information or just poor communication.  doesn't matter.

 

"we" knew exactly what was going on in wuhan.  we have a consulate in wuhan, well-staffed with alphabet soup types and all the latest crypto gear.  we have agents on the ground and loads of helpful informers.  don't think for a second the nsa hasn't tapped into china's public security databases, and wasn't aware of purchases being made overseas, and swift transfers going to ppe gear manufacturers.

 

why do you think the congressional pandemic briefings were top secret?  "we" knew exactly what to expect.  instead of planning for it, our congressional overlords told us not to worry while they got busy dumping their stocks in secret.

[rkidlad]

18 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

don't imagine for a moment "we" were fooled by chinese lies, if they actually were lies, or if they were a lack of information or just poor communication.  doesn't matter.

 

"we" knew exactly what was going on in wuhan.  we have a consulate in wuhan, well-staffed with alphabet soup types and all the latest crypto gear.  we have agents on the ground and loads of helpful informers.  don't think for a second the nsa hasn't tapped into china's public security databases, and wasn't aware of purchases being made overseas, and swift transfers going to ppe gear manufacturers.

 

why do you think the congressional pandemic briefings were top secret?  "we" knew exactly what to expect.  instead of planning for it, our congressional overlords told us not to worry while they got busy dumping their stocks in secret.

I never knew those in power in other countries knew the same as China did all along. Truly amazing. 

 

And to think they allowed this to happen so they cut dump stocks while at the same time allowing their economies to take multi trillion-dollar baths. I mean, it makes zero economic sense, but who cares about that? 

 

 

[Selatan]

On 4/8/2020 at 6:17 PM, rkidlad said:

Yes, 4 weeks before China admitted they had a virus, they were getting Chinese companies to send back masks and alcohol wipes, etc. from abroad.

 

How to deal with a virus? Don't tell anyone, hoard as many medical supplies as you can in preparation, and then tell the rest of the world when it's too late. 

 

Let's not worry about where the last few viruses came from (China). I'm sure nothing like this will happen again. No need for China to change its habits. The West must now better prepare for viruses coming from countries with regimes that have no morals. What a lovely Confucian-based future the world can look forward to.

 

 

The world was already told by China on the Dec 31. Are you saying that there were efforts by Chinese companies to send back masks in the first week of Dec? As far as I know, there were efforts by Malaysians to gather masks to send to China, but only happened in Feb. After China brought its infection rate under control, it donated back masks and other supplies back to donors.

Malaysia lends a helping hand to China

The previous pandemic (H1N1 aka Swine Flu) came from the US. Using your logic, the Americans should stop eating chickens and pigs to prevent future pandemic.

Like I have said, it's a cultural thing. Here's a perspective from a Brazilian:

Confucius is winning the Covid-19 war
Compare hundreds of millions of Asians' serene response to the coroavirus crisis with the West's fear, panic and hysteria
 

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Most of all, in an hour of extreme turbulence, it brings comfort to know that, “the strength of a nation derives from the integrity of the home.” 

 

Edited April 13, 2020 by Selatan

[Selatan]

On 4/8/2020 at 6:37 PM, ChouDoufu said:

 

don't imagine for a moment "we" were fooled by chinese lies, if they actually were lies, or if they were a lack of information or just poor communication.  doesn't matter.

 

"we" knew exactly what was going on in wuhan.  we have a consulate in wuhan, well-staffed with alphabet soup types and all the latest crypto gear.  we have agents on the ground and loads of helpful informers.  don't think for a second the nsa hasn't tapped into china's public security databases, and wasn't aware of purchases being made overseas, and swift transfers going to ppe gear manufacturers.

 

why do you think the congressional pandemic briefings were top secret?  "we" knew exactly what to expect.  instead of planning for it, our congressional overlords told us not to worry while they got busy dumping their stocks in secret.

You do know China too has a flu season, right? Tens of thousands of Chinese die of flu every year. In addition to flu, there's H1N1 spreading around. If there are more flu cases, of course there would be higher need for masks and PPE. The US too experienced a higher than normal number of flu cases last December. How many Covid-19 cases were wrongly lumped together with seasonal flu numbers, as admitted by the CDC, if nobody realised that a new virus had appeared? 

Edited April 13, 2020 by Selatan

[rkidlad]

9 minutes ago, Selatan said:

You do know China too has a flu season, right? Tens of thousands of Chinese die of flu every year. In addition to flu, there's H1N1 spreading around. If there are more flu cases, of course there would be higher need for masks and PPE. The US too experienced a higher than normal number of flu cases last December. How many Covid-19 cases were wrongly lumped together with seasonal flu numbers, as admitted by the CDC, if nobody realised that a new virus had appeared? 

They would have know at least two weeks before this tweet that this information was gravely inaccurate and misleading. China lied and people died. Oh, notice the date. 

Edited April 13, 2020 by rkidlad

[ChouDoufu]

35 minutes ago, Selatan said:

The world was already told by China on the Dec 31. Are you saying that there were efforts by Chinese companies to send back masks in the first week of Dec? As far as I know, there were efforts by Malaysians to gather masks to send to China, but only happened in Feb. After China brought its infection rate under control, it donated back masks and other supplies back to donors.

Malaysia lends a helping hand to China

The previous pandemic (H1N1 aka Swine Flu) came from the US. Using your logic, the Americans should stop eating chickens and pigs to prevent future pandemic.

Like I have said, it's a cultural thing. Here's a perspective from a Brazilian:

Confucius is winning the Covid-19 war
Compare hundreds of millions of Asians' serene response to the coroavirus crisis with the West's fear, panic and hysteria
 

 

yes, of course chinese companies were buying masks to send back to wuhan!  they were running out, but not in december.

 

the reports of this were masks being collected at the end of january, shipped out first week of february.

 

within a week of that, factories were back in operation.  no need to purchase masks overseas, instead they started to export.

[ChouDoufu]

28 minutes ago, Selatan said:

You do know China too has a flu season, right? Tens of thousands of Chinese die of flu every year. In addition to flu, there's H1N1 spreading around. If there are more flu cases, of course there would be higher need for masks and PPE. The US too experienced a higher than normal number of flu cases last December. How many Covid-19 cases were wrongly lumped together with seasonal flu numbers, as admitted by the CDC, if nobody realised that a new virus had appeared? 

i thought chinese flu season was in september.  irrelevant, though.

 

point is that 'we' (our government) had a pretty good understanding of the situation in wuhan, and knew that it wasn't the ordinary flu.  we don't maintain full-spectrum dominance for nothing!  we were not surprised by this, simply unprepared.

 

who was notified end of december, director of us cdc got a call from his counterpart at china cdc on january 3 or 4.

[LeamchabangLarry]

On 4/2/2020 at 4:41 AM, humbug said:

CCP is accident prone, along with embarrassing itself trying to replicate US’s position in the world

 

(If you have a choice, who the hell wants to be controlled by communists)

 

unless you are a Han Chinese nationalist trying to fool people, hoping to protect a nation from losing face, the Wuhan virus came from Wuhan, China, from a type of horseshoe bat, which it’s natural habitat is 600 miles away in Zhoushan, China,

 

close by the epicenter of the outbreak, near the wet market, there is a level 2, research lab, where researchers, used research on 2000 different types of viruses, mostly bats, level 2, is weak security lab, level 4, is high security lab,

 

CCP covered up the outbreak October/November onwards, that means with Chinese mass tourism, most countries didn’t know they were already infected with some cases in November/December 

 

CCP locked up whistleblower doctors in December, then lied to the world about human to human transmission until mid-January. Let’s also remember, they sent a trade team to sign phase one trade deal in January, because of last years Chinese swine disease, which they had to kill 50% of their pig population, and US is large pig exporter, and they still never warned the world on the new virus.

 

CCP are wholly to blame, their communist system is the reason the world was deceived and lied too, for more than 2 months on the severity of the outbreak In Wuhan 

 

Let’s not even begin to dissect their fake numbers of deaths, it’s what communist countries do, very little human rights, just look at the way, one mortuary had thousands of urns to hand back, there are 35 mortuarys in Wuhan alone, and CCP claimed their country death total was 2-3,000 from the Wuhan virus

 

very few people will ever know the truth if it was an accident by CCP or deliberate by CCP, or even less now are saying it’s natural from the wet market, but more information is connecting the low level 2 research lab in Wuhan, than a natural cause, the CCP and their system is the reason for this mess, if they were more honest even in December, the world would have 95% less of a problem from the Wuhan virus, and the biggest talking points in Thailand would be air pollution

Don't kid yourself.

That is a Bio Safety level 4 facility, certified to handle the most lethal contagions like Ebola

[ChouDoufu]

41 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

They would have know at least two weeks before this tweet that this information was gravely inaccurate and misleading. China lied and people died. Oh, notice the date. 

 

new york times says in a january 20 report that china confirmed person to person transmission, (allegedly)  when there were only 200 cases with 4 dead.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/20/world/asia/coronavirus-china-symptoms.html

 

check your medical terminology:   no clear evidence vs. confirmed.  in particular, what does "no clear evidence" mean?  does it mean disproven or denied?  or would you agree it means "suspected, but not proven"?

 

 

Edited April 13, 2020 by ChouDoufu

[EricTh]

What about importing some masks into Thailand from China?

 

I still can't buy N95 masks from pharmacies. There are tons of ordinary cloth masks available which is almost useless.

Edited April 13, 2020 by EricTh

[ChouDoufu]

2 hours ago, rkidlad said:

They would have know at least two weeks before this tweet that this information was gravely inaccurate and misleading. China lied and people died. Oh, notice the date. 

here's another example of how this medical talk works.  sometimes they just don't know enough to answer with certainty.

 

WHO officials say its unclear whether recovered coronavirus patients are immune to second infection

 

World Health Organization officials said not all people who recover from the coronavirus have the antibodies to fight a second infection, raising questions as to whether or not patients develop immunity after surviving Covid-19. 

“With regards to recovery and then re-infection, I believe we do not have the answers to that. That is an unknown,” Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of WHO’s emergencies programs, said at a press conference at the organization’s Geneva headquarters on Monday. 

This is breaking news. Please check back for updates. 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/13/who-officials-say-its-unclear-whether-recovered-coronavirus-patients-are-immune-to-second-infection.html

[rkidlad]

12 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

new york times says in a january 20 report that china confirmed person to person transmission, (allegedly)  when there were only 200 cases with 4 dead.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/20/world/asia/coronavirus-china-symptoms.html

 

check your medical terminology:   no clear evidence vs. confirmed.  in particular, what does "no clear evidence" mean?  does it mean disproven or denied?  or would you agree it means "suspected, but not proven"?

 

 

Normally when someone says, “there’s no clear evidence” it means there’s no clear evidence. We are supposed to assume that it’s okay because it can’t be proved otherwise. 
 

Again, this was gravely misleading and they knew exactly what they were doing. 

[rkidlad]

10 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

here's another example of how this medical talk works.  sometimes they just don't know enough to answer with certainty.

 

WHO officials say its unclear whether recovered coronavirus patients are immune to second infection

 

World Health Organization officials said not all people who recover from the coronavirus have the antibodies to fight a second infection, raising questions as to whether or not patients develop immunity after surviving Covid-19. 

“With regards to recovery and then re-infection, I believe we do not have the answers to that. That is an unknown,” Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of WHO’s emergencies programs, said at a press conference at the organization’s Geneva headquarters on Monday. 

This is breaking news. Please check back for updates. 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/13/who-officials-say-its-unclear-whether-recovered-coronavirus-patients-are-immune-to-second-infection.html

If you don’t know, always err on the side of caution. We don’t know, but let’s assume it’s a real possibility so take all necessary precautions. Don’t get angry when people talk about and impose travel bans, and then have your lackeys say, “travel bans won’t help and there’s no clear evidence of human to human contact”. 
 

I never listen to the CCP, they’re an authoritarian regime who can’t be trusted for a second. But I did foolishly take what the WHO said seriously. Little did I know, like many others, they were just a mouthpiece for the CCP. Have a look at the interview with the HK reporter asking the WHO member about Taiwan’s efforts. He simply wouldn’t answer and made a complete fool of himself. 
 

If your aim is to try and shift the blame towards the West and take it away from the CCP, you’re wasting your time. Your battle to spin the narrative will only get harder every day as more and more people realize they’ve been duped.

 

 

[Traubert]

On 4/2/2020 at 10:24 AM, sukhumvitneon said:

 

lmao...I have no words

 

Obviously.......

[ChouDoufu]

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

Normally when someone says, “there’s no clear evidence” it means there’s no clear evidence. We are supposed to assume that it’s okay because it can’t be proved otherwise. 
 

Again, this was gravely misleading and they knew exactly what they were doing. 

ok, so you're having trouble with the concept of "no clear evidence" being a cautionary response to a currently burning question.

 

in the real world it means there's a theory or supposition that it may be the case, investigations are ongoing, but we still can't say for sure.  yes, there is some evidence, yet not enough to make a determination.  it's ....ummm.... how you say ..... unclear.

 

for example, you might say vaping has been linked to liver cancer, as one or two studies may have discovered a correlation, but.....no clear evidence of a causal link.  not enough data to confirm the hypothesis.  that in no way leads one to assume vaping does not lead to liver cancer.

 

or visit yesterday's who statement in response to a question whether recovered patients have immunity to second infections.  it's "unclear," or try this, there's "no clear evidence" to say with certainty.

 

how anyone could imagine it gives the all clear, that's it's all okay, is ridiculous.  in that case, the twooter would have twirted "has confirmed no human-human transmission."

[rkidlad]

8 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

ok, so you're having trouble with the concept of "no clear evidence" being a cautionary response to a currently burning question.

 

in the real world it means there's a theory or supposition that it may be the case, investigations are ongoing, but we still can't say for sure.  yes, there is some evidence, yet not enough to make a determination.  it's ....ummm.... how you say ..... unclear.

 

for example, you might say vaping has been linked to liver cancer, as one or two studies may have discovered a correlation, but.....no clear evidence of a causal link.  not enough data to confirm the hypothesis.  that in no way leads one to assume vaping does not lead to liver cancer.

 

or visit yesterday's who statement in response to a question whether recovered patients have immunity to second infections.  it's "unclear," or try this, there's "no clear evidence" to say with certainty.

 

how anyone could imagine it gives the all clear, that's it's all okay, is ridiculous.  in that case, the twooter would have twirted "has confirmed no human-human transmission."

They came out with the statement. If they wanted the onus on them not knowing, a better and more responsible statement would have been "We simply don't know how this virus works. It's better to be safe, avoid all forms of travelling, wear a mask and distance yourself from others. Something you should do with any virus you don't want to contract when being cautious. Especially with a virus they knew was deadly and we knew there's no vaccine for. 

 

I never said they gave anyone the all clear. You just said that and I'd appreciate if you didn't misrepresent my words. I said their message was gravely misleading and inaccurate. Misleading as in it gave people a false sense of security, and misleading as doctors in China would have known about human-to-human contact weeks before.

 

The omission of the truth is a lie. And they told the ultimate one. China lied and people died. 

 

 

[ChouDoufu]

33 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

They came out with the statement. If they wanted the onus on them not knowing, a better and more responsible statement would have been "We simply don't know how this virus works. It's better to be safe, avoid all forms of travelling, wear a mask and distance yourself from others. Something you should do with any virus you don't want to contract when being cautious. Especially with a virus they knew was deadly and we knew there's no vaccine for. 

 

I never said they gave anyone the all clear. You just said that and I'd appreciate if you didn't misrepresent my words. I said their message was gravely misleading and inaccurate. Misleading as in it gave people a false sense of security, and misleading as doctors in China would have known about human-to-human contact weeks before.

 

The omission of the truth is a lie. And they told the ultimate one. China lied and people died. 

 

 

 

okay.

 

2 hours ago, rkidlad said:

Normally when someone says, “there’s no clear evidence” it means there’s no clear evidence. We are supposed to assume that it’s okay because it can’t be proved otherwise. 
 

Again, this was gravely misleading and they knew exactly what they were doing. 

 

[rkidlad]

12 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

okay.

 

 

February 6. Please don’t tell me what “no clear evidence” means.

[ChouDoufu]

12 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

February 6. Please don’t tell me what “no clear evidence” means.

 

february 06 is about 3 weeks later than january 14.  much may be discovered in that period of time.

 

there may be 'no clear evidence' at one point in time, whereas they may indeed be 'clear evidence' sometime in the future.

 

i apologize for the misunderstanding if english is not your native language.  sometimes i forget there are expats from all over the world living in thailand.

[rkidlad]

5 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

february 06 is about 3 weeks later than january 14.  much may be discovered in that period of time.

 

there may be 'no clear evidence' at one point in time, whereas they may indeed be 'clear evidence' sometime in the future.

 

i apologize for the misunderstanding if english is not your native language.  sometimes i forget there are expats from all over the world living in thailand.

He warned people way before. You either take warnings from doctors seriously or you think it’s more important to control the narrative. 
 

I’m a native-English speaker. If you wanna go that route, we use capital letters at the beginning of sentences and always for the pronoun ‘I’. 

Edited April 14, 2020 by rkidlad

[ChouDoufu]

7 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

He warned people way before. You either take warnings from doctors seriously or you think it’s more important to control the narrative. 
 

I’m a native-English speaker. If you wanna go that route, we use capital letters at the beginning of sentences and always for the pronoun ‘I’. 

a social media post from an ophthalmologist repeating claims he heard from other doctors is what we call an anecdote, not "clear evidence."

 

 

[rkidlad]

9 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

a social media post from an ophthalmologist repeating claims he heard from other doctors is what we call an anecdote, not "clear evidence."

 

 

And it’s that attitude that’s got us where we are. He told them about a coronavirus, and they told him to be quiet, and quote, “stop being stubborn”. Check the police report that he signed. 
 

Guess Beijing thought a doctor warning of a corona virus wasn’t “clear evidence” so just ignored it. Lovely regime. Oh, he warned of the virus December 30th 2019.

Edited April 14, 2020 by rkidlad