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4 hours ago, techietraveller84 said:

Great reminder to stay off airplanes and cruise ships for a while. A long while.

I think the cruise ship industry may well be dead and buried. There are still thousands of people stuck on the ships around the world, and not many news organizations talking about their predicament. Personally I would be crossing a cruise off my bucket list forever....not that is was ever on there. I had friends one time cruising off Greece when the ship was hit with a horrendous food poisoning epidemic. Many friends ended up in hospital in Athens, and came very close to dying. Throw in the Corona... what a nightmare.

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May I add as a former frequent flyer and employee of an airline.

 

Passengers often swop places , with or without consent of crew.

 

On full planes to be closer to friends etc or avoid undesireable flyers due to many innocent factors e.g. baby, sleepers, attire etc.I recall a guy whose 4ft dreadlocks covered teh tray of a client behind in cattle class.

 

On unfilled or almost empty flights folks often like to stretch out on an empty row or prefer a window/exit seat etc.

 

As only foreigners would be invited b PM or dimplomats cannot imagine they were not at the pointy end in business or First class.

 

If Thai passport holders they will have an ID address linked to the ticket and passport.

 

IMHo the announcement seems to imply London tainted.

Meanwhile back in the real world Thais are mingling and flights are coming in from many places

 

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/bkk/arrivals

 

NB 

In addition to numbers an interesting stat is number of cases and or deaths per million

Using this metric

Top of the league here.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

Country,

1M popDeaths/
1M pop

top micro state San marino within Italy

Italy

Spain

Andorra

Belgium

France

Netherland

Switzerland

 

Deaths per million in Netherlands =78 , China =2 

 

Yet a plane is arriving from Amsterdam today.

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Surely immigration knows where these passengers went to from their arivals cards,. Why do they not contact trace them and test them, with repeat testing done to confirm any negative results, along with self quarantine.

 

Lack of manpower, lack of equipment, fecklessness, don't know where to start, not sure what to do, don't know what is contact tracing, can't be bothered, pure laziness - take your pic... LOL. That's what Thai officialdom loves - reams and reams of data. What do they do with it? Sit on it until they get piles. That's what.

 

 

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5 hours ago, jastheace said:

I would say Thailand knew. Thailands first declared case was only days after china's. yet open arms was the order of the day/month/….

"Open arms" ... Like the rest of the world with the speedy, early except of Korea.

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3 hours ago, HaoleBoy said:

Why do they only list the 1 seat with the infected person?  They don't know the other seats the infected people were in?
 

People asking about cleaning and turn-around time.  These long haul flights have at least a 24 hr turn around time thus easily cleaned.

With a 24 hr turn around time even TG would actually be declared bankrupt. 

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3 hours ago, tifino said:

Trouble is that the very same planes are being continuouslt reused to these Repat' and Return round trips. The same ones.

 

Take a step back...

Each and every airline around the planet, are mothballing all but the very few that we are seeing, doing those flights.

 

High pressure on cleaning staff to try to 'safely' prepare the aircraft during the turnaround time of unloading/reloading...

 

 

two birds can be killed by the one stone

 

Why aren't the airlines smart enough, to cycle through all the individual aircraft in their fleets? - that are now idle?

Keeping them in a time sharing arrangement will keep the entire fleets Maintenance-fresh 

 

It will assist in the financial recovery, for when 'normal' flight resume; as the costs will be lower to Maintain air worthiness, then it will otherwise cost to Restore airworthiness...

 

Having the 'longer' rest between the merry go round of musical chairsnof aircraft; would enable a more thorough cleaning of the aircraft too

 

 

... unless the airlines have a mid term plan to actually 'dump' those aircraft doing the current 'mercy' flights?? - after this is over

 

Good idea,but,you really do need to stop being sensible or you might end up being told off by the ones that should know what you have correctly stated,yes a non-used aircraft placed in a reserve line could easily be decontaminated with a quick walk through spray,then after a short time give it a blow through to remove the leftovers,could also be done when reaching destination through the ventilation system,again with a good blow through after job done.

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This seems a strange one to thinking all passengers are checked for the virus prior to boarding

Then suddenly these passengers catch the virus on route

I am no doctor or virus specialist but this does surprise 

Thinking it took days to be active when people catch it ?

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6 hours ago, Davo369 said:

Did they say this when it was all happening from China in Jan.. 

I recall they had open arms to the Chinese.

Knowing full well the situation 

Of course. They could not do anything to upset their overlords. 

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4 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Surely immigration knows where these passengers went to from their arivals cards,.

This shows why it is so important for hotels guest houses Airbnb etc to notify within 24 hours. It was the sane with the Thunami we didn’t know who was in the area at the time, telling parents it’s ok your kids are in Chiang Mai but they were actually dead in Phuket. 

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4 minutes ago, shackleton said:

This seems a strange one to thinking all passengers are checked for the virus prior to boarding

Then suddenly these passengers catch the virus on route

I am no doctor or virus specialist but this does surprise 

Thinking it took days to be active when people catch it ?

May well have been lurking in the ventilation filters. wonder if the crew could have been the carriers or if any have succumbed to it.

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2 minutes ago, falang1969 said:
3 hours ago, HaoleBoy said:

Why do they only list the 1 seat with the infected person?  They don't know the other seats the infected people were in?
 

People asking about cleaning and turn-around time.  These long haul flights have at least a 24 hr turn around time thus easily cleaned.

Oh no they don't often barely two hours, unless maintanence issues

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