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Point is it does not makes sense...

 

A goal, plan... totalitarism test (with another "war on this"), microbiological real war (or test), or whatever, like this on the whole earth scale, seems unlikely. 

 

But to stop the world and life because of a virus with the numbers we know, does not make sense either.

 

Looks like there is something we just don't know. Either way.

Or, and it's possible, it's just general incompetence. Started with not being prepared, when it was known for 10 years or more a pandemy would erupt.

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They  should  just  accept  the death rate and  carry  on,  instead  they'll  lose  more through the economic  crash.

I know I'm not.   https://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-coronavirus-lockdown-long-term-plan     I think it's obvious by now that the hopes and promises of this virus situati

Well I'm with Jingthing on this. It's likely going to be 2 years just to get the first wave of infections worked through globally and that's assuming that places like Russia and N Korea divulge what's

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19 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

How long will the western governments be able to pay pensions if there are no taxes paid to the governments ?

Guaranteed monthly incomes may be not that certain in the future.

Right!

 

Now they are throwing trillions, which they don't have, to keep the populace more or less sedated, and Wall Street happy.

 

But once things get more quiet, this same populace is going to receive the bill.

 

The number one financial problem in the West is how to pay the retirement pensions, that is, promises that can't be kept.

 

And suddenly, a once in a century opportunity presents itself: a pandemic!

 

After all these efforts made by the governments to save the populace, it will be only fair to ask some sacrifices in return...a little cut here, a little cut there...temporary of course...

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40 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Personally, I think this thing will be over in a month or two here. Certainly not in the US or Europe. But we have had less than 100 cases a day for the past two days, only 2100 to date, and only 20 deaths. This is literally a small pimple on the cheek of a teenager here in Thailand. I believe it is due to the heat. The heat appears to decimate this virus. With over a million Chinese running around Thailand in December and January, if this thing were going to blow up here, as many fear, it would have happened long ago. Calm down. Take a deep breath. We are in one of the safest places on earth, right now. 

 

Of course, the recovery from this inane economic shutdown could take far longer than that. It could take years, the tourism industry emerge as a pale shadow of it's former self, never to return to the previous levels. Which is a good thing for many of us, but a sad thing for millions of Thai families, and of course a huge humiliation for the army and the TAT, which is also a good thing. We will see a huge economic contraction, no doubt, and high unemployment numbers. How long it will take to recover from that is anyone's guess, but I would say at least a year, maybe more. 

I agree with all that.

As I said previously, I think that Thailand is just waiting, for its neighbors, and especially for its big brothers up North (China, Japan, Korea).

Thailand has little interest to reopen alone, and would appear reckless in doing so.

But when international business, at least in Asia, can restart, Thailand will jump on the bandwagon...

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4 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Right!

 

Now they are throwing trillions, which they don't have, to keep the populace more or less sedated, and Wall Street happy.

 

But once things get more quiet, this same populace is going to receive the bill.

 

The number one financial problem in the West is how to pay the retirement pensions, that is, promises that can't be kept.

 

And suddenly, a once in a century opportunity presents itself: a pandemic!

 

After all these efforts made by the governments to save the populace, it will be only fair to ask some sacrifices in return...a little cut here, a little cut there...temporary of course...

 

So your going with my Rons option 6 then... :coffee1:

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10 minutes ago, Sambotte said:

Actually central banks PRINT money as they want. It's printed, out of nothing, not a big problem for the printers 😄

Value of "printed money" is another story.

Nothing new here.

Only the US Fed can really do this without immediate negative consequences.

 

And it is probably reaching its limits these days...we will see soon enough...

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16 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Only the US Fed can really do this without immediate negative consequences.

 

And it is probably reaching its limits these days...we will see soon enough...

USD being the reference, well... 

And they play no-limit (hold them 😆)

But that's another story, nothing new.

 

The virus thing is way more brutal.

Question being : what next ? War on moskitos so you must understand the entire world has to shut down ?...

Does not makes sense. Would be curious to have more real datas in a few months or years, if available. 

And i f..g hope life and freedom (including business of course) will be back before years ! Before too many months. Well imo the sooner the better.

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America owes more money than exists.

The more money that exists , the more money it owes.

 

Why don't people actually read up on how money is created. 

 

It's not about 'the printing press'  'thin air'

How is it created ?

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6 hours ago, UbonThani said:

Intelligent people dont see the world in black and white. They also don't misquote people.

 

They take measured responses and not panic.

Your response just seems to be screw those who die. Their lives weren’t worth much anyway. 

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From reading this thread it is clear that there are many people who really do not care or do not grasp the reality of what is happening. Examples like quoting the numbers of people who die from other things each year. Well let Darwin do his work on those people and let’s hope that their selfish behaviour does not cause the deaths of innocent people.

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23 minutes ago, WhereIsMyRyeBread said:

America owes more money than exists.

The more money that exists , the more money it owes.

 

Why don't people actually read up on how money is created. 

 

It's not about 'the printing press'  'thin air'

How is it created ?

Money is created by credit. 

 

The counterpart of money is debt! 

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5 hours ago, UbonThani said:

Italy said 97% deaths linked to underlying issues.

 

So if 10,000 died 9,700 would have died anyway.

 

So if 1m die worldwide that is 970,000 people who would have died anyway.

 

So 30,000 real deaths.

 

Compares to road toll 1.25m.

 

It seems like economic madness over a minor killer.

Yes they had underlying health issues that does not mean they were at deaths door and were going to die that week. Many of the people with underlying health issue had many years let to live. You can live decades with underlying health issues such as diabetes.

   Again your response seems to be based on the fact that you think the ones who died were just about to die anyway so their lives are worthless.

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3 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said:

From reading this thread it is clear that there are many people who really do not care or do not grasp the reality of what is happening. Examples like quoting the numbers of people who die from other things each year. Well let Darwin do his work on those people and let’s hope that their selfish behaviour does not cause the deaths of innocent people.

Darwin doesn't do any work... so I imagine you mean "the survival of the fittest" which is exactly what this virus is about... culling the herd. 

 

And save for those who die in prison, we can assume that all the others are innocent, never mind their cause of death... 

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1 hour ago, englishoak said:

 

Ask yourself this, do you think that ALL the global powers, ALL the think tanks they have, ALL the cost to these massive economies and personal fortunes, real risk of civil unrest etc for years to come would all be taken is climate was a factor ? these are not stupid people at the top and their advisory groups... when you step back and really look at the global cost financially, socially, and stability wise it is highly unlikely its heat affected and its highly unlikely  whatever it is will be over in a few months.

 

Ive wrestled with this for a long time, none of it makes sense unless its a huge problem or a huge goal... and its a global agreement whatever it is, everyone is on board from China to Russia to the US to India to Japan, Europe, S America, Africa.. thats a lot of different experts and highly informed secret services in advisory agreement dont you think ? 

There may be some sort of converted effort going on. Why knows?

 

But I do believe the one weakness this virus has is heat. The only tropical nation on earth with a significant number of cases is Brazil. Next Malaysia. 4000 cases. Merely a pimple. India has a few thousand despite an enormous population. Same here. Heat kills!

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